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Legion
04-09-2014, 10:12 AM
Hi all. In this thread we'll speak about trading goods (Packs) in ArcheAge. How to transport them, where we can deliver them and all whats I know about them. So lets start.



How to make trading goods (Pack).

To make trading pack, first of all you'll need http://s019.radikal.ru/i619/1404/02/535d7d86c244.png1 merchant certificate (http://s020.radikal.ru/i717/1404/4c/7250f6a3ea30.png50 silver coins) and resources (that depends from pack, all available goods (Packs) for craft you can see in craft book(button O in game) and open section http://s018.radikal.ru/i524/1404/22/1cbcb8880ce2.pngCommerce.
When you bought 1 merchant certificate and got enough resources you'll need to find workshop of regional goods. (To find them you'll need to open map (button M in game) and put tick on Important Objects -> Workshops in Region

http://s020.radikal.ru/i706/1404/cf/786883991b59.png

After that go to workshop of regional goods and craft your pack.

http://s006.radikal.ru/i213/1404/71/669d43f6b2fc.jpg



Goods (Pack) transporting.

Regional goods you can deliver using any transport. Also you can drop your goods when you want:
1. On ground, but there is a chance that someone will take your goods
2. On protected ground (scarecrows, farms, houses). In this situation only you can pick it or depending on that, who is allowed to use your property. But there is also 6 day limit, If you don't pick them in 6 days, goods will disappear.
3. In boxes, which you can find on merchant schooner (20), galleon(4) and tractor(4). In that case pick them can only party members.

Goods you can't drop:
1. On foreign property, if you don't have permission to use that ground.
2. In or On buildings (Houses, harbors, farms and other).
3. On deck of ship.
4. On sea or its bottom. (Only if someone kill you or destroy your ship, you got 6 days to pick goods)



Delivering goods (Packs).

You can deliver them only to special NPC of two kinds - Gilda stars and Buying goods, which you can find on map, pressing Merchants -> Gilda stars or Buying goods. Same as before with workshops.

http://s018.radikal.ru/i515/1404/28/849692df56bb.png

On west continent you can deliver them in following locations:
Solzreed Peninsula
Gweonid Forest
Marianople
Two Crowns
Cinderstone Moor
Sanddeep

On east continent you can deliver them in following locations:
Sollis Headlands
Mahadevi
Villanelle
Falcorth Plains
Arcus Iris
Ynystere

And of course you can deliver them in Liberty Island.

There is also a little problem with http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1404/76/8417b7ed8eb3.pnggold, you recive it only after 22h, but with 5 % gain. http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda stars right away.



Where is best place to sell / change them on http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1404/76/8417b7ed8eb3.pnggold, http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda stars?

There are few answers on this question:
1. Freedom Island (best place to sold them, but we've got few problems and first one is PIRATES AND A BOTTLE OF RUM!!!, Freedom Island is located in non stooping war zone, that means that anyone can kill you with that goods (pack))
2. Deliver it on your continent. (looks like fastest and safest way)
3. Deliver it on foreign continent. (Why we need to do that if we got 2nd option?)

Answer on this question is quite problematic, and it depends on location where you made this pack, route of delivery and war-economic situation in delivery region. Uniquely I can say you only few things:
1. Than longest is route from place of making pack to place of delivery, than more profit you'll get.
2. Than more same packs will be delivered in this place, than less profit you'll get.

To understand goods profitable, you need to read sheet below . In this table you can see goods prices for http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1404/76/8417b7ed8eb3.pnggold on both continents and Liberty Island. Delivering packs for http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1404/76/8417b7ed8eb3.pnggold instead of http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda starts can be justified, but not too effective for your team.

West continent goods
http://s019.radikal.ru/i634/1404/54/dc42654fe75a.png

East continent goods
http://s019.radikal.ru/i607/1404/31/3d12ea4b732f.png

Green color - Maximal price on your continent
Orange color - Maximal price on foreign continent
Blue color - price on Freedom island, if price is bigger than in other locations

http://s020.radikal.ru/i715/1404/c8/59ea664210f1.png

Goods price in http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1404/76/8417b7ed8eb3.pnggold is equivalently to goods price in http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda stars and after delivering few goods you'll easily transfer standard prices for stars with given bonus. For example:
1. You calculated most expensive price for your goods, waited when in this region starts peace and when you got there you see that there already few merchant schooner selling their goods, in result you gain for pack 2-3 http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda (with base selling for 6)
2. One more example is with Pounded Turmeric. When CBT will start, after 2-3 h price for PT will be http://s020.radikal.ru/i717/1404/4c/7250f6a3ea30.png90 silver or 1 http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda stars(base selling price is http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1404/76/8417b7ed8eb3.png1,8 g and 2 http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda stars) and will continues few days, bonus for delivering is 50 %, because too many players delivered the same goods.

That means you need to choose location to deliver goods with stable economic and war situation. You need to closely watch map and analyse situation, whats happens in this moment. Also test your option on practice, before sending large convoys of ships. And we don't need to forgot about logistic, choosing right paths on ground and see in long transportation.

If we'll analyse those 2 sheets, we can easily see difference between West and East continents:

- If we'll closely look on geographic configuration of West continent, we'll see that almost all continent is connected to dirigible system and separated with short sea routes. This situation leads to a problem that elves and nuians is forced to deliver their goods on Liberty Island or on Ynystere in peace time, closing path to deliver goods on their continent.
- For East Continent delivering goods on Liberty Island is not so profitable (as West continent). How we can see delivering goods on our East continent is much more profitable(exception is central regions) than West side.
- Easy to observe that important factor is goods making location, it means, that you need farm or scarecrow on goods making place. Since you'll need to secure your trading goods or you'll just lose time to making them and giving to your team mates.



Little secret how to deliver goods on enemy territory =]

You'll for sure say that is too dangerous and you can't do that, because sometimes you can't even deliver your Banana wine for Scarecrow Quest and that this plan is SUICIDE and bla bla bla bla. So lets make one little trick:

1. Make 2nd character on opposite continent. Raise your lvl to 20. Complete quests on little scarecrow and donkey, after that just exchange packs. =]
2. Make with both characters trading goods on West and East continent.
3. With your main character(witch got pack) arrive at exchange place, somewhere where no body will be near.
4. Now bring your 2nd character with trading goods to same place, drop trading goods, now re log fast and pick 2nd character pack and drop yours.
5. Again relog and pick pack with 2nd character. That means that main and 2nd character exchanged packs from different continents.
6. Your main character pack change on http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda stars, but 2nd character trading pack change on gold and send it on your main character with mail help.

With this little trick in week you can easily collect 50 http://s52.radikal.ru/i137/1404/a8/e8f72217947f.pngGilda stars and 100+ http://s018.radikal.ru/i507/1404/76/8417b7ed8eb3.pnggold, delivering 1 pack in day and loosing smth about 20-30 min.




Thanks for your attention =]

Special thanks to Zenjirr for his Delphic star sheet =]



Screens, correct NPC and trading goods names I will change later, when I'll be on Alpha or Beta =]

Zohnar
04-09-2014, 12:37 PM
Its hard to tell the rarity of a tradepack. The best way I find to figure this out is to look at the map and choose the harder routes or most underpopulated areas. A lot of traders will grab the farthest off zones which causes the products from there to go down in worth. So grabbing a tradepack a zone closer could infact bring more profit. But this is all speculative as traders tend to change up tactics regularly.

If you are in a guild you might ask if they do regular trade runs with a tradeship. Every zone has 4 packs that can be made. The more expensive the pack the more worth it will be as well as the rarer on the market its trade will be, leading to more profit. Taking your time to create these 3rd or 4th tier packs from far locations and transporting them to say a small scarecrow farm will let you store them. Then you can wait for someone you trust to do a trade run using a tradeship. You load all those packs on board, beef up protection, and sail off to another continent.

Liberty Island is infact dangerous and going there without your guild or a group you trust having a foothold will certainly get your pack stolen and you killed. Its an active warzone due to the respawn area. Its very easy for people to just respawn and run back in and reattempt to kill you. So going there would take lots of security.

Tradepacks are all about time. So taking your time with both transport as well as creation can net you a lot more worth from them. On the RU server I grow the materials needed rather then buy them. Takes longer but I save a lot of gold that way.

Damon
04-09-2014, 12:46 PM
Nice guide!

One quick-hand way to tell the value of a tradepack (especially if you stole it) is to check the pack in your equipment. The gold value changes based on the region you are in and reflects the base gold you can trade it in for (which will vary depending on the demand of the product).

Future
04-09-2014, 04:13 PM
this is a really nice and helpful guide. im definetly bookmarking this

Targaryen
04-09-2014, 04:21 PM
Thanks for the info, very helpful!

LiplessPanther
04-09-2014, 04:30 PM
Nice guide! I will definitely return to this upon launch!

Xiro
04-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Nice guide man, thanks for the effort.

One request, can you make the chart clickable so it can be expanded for easier reading?

Legion
04-10-2014, 03:50 AM
Nice guide man, thanks for the effort.

One request, can you make the chart clickable so it can be expanded for easier reading?

I can't do that dunno why, so I changed .xlsx to jpg, and it is jpg, so It can't make it expanded.

Ratez
04-10-2014, 04:08 AM
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you,

The Whip
04-10-2014, 03:02 PM
4. Now bring your 2nd character with trading goods to same place, drop trading goods, now re log fast and pick 2nd character pack and drop yours.


That's an OG Muling trick! I did the same thing back when I played Asheron's Call. Thanks for the guide, it was a good read.

kiukiu
04-10-2014, 03:58 PM
For delivering bananas, its enough to come close to npc like 100 or 150 metres, and quest will be copleted, afterwards u can just die and get back home, not wasting ur precious time. If you are going to go overseas and deliver to enemy territory, there is one 30lvl+ territory that is open pvp, when its peace time there, you just have to cross the sea and reach territory, inside that map no1 can hurt u.

Zenjirr
04-11-2014, 11:07 AM
There is a typo in the Baked Potatoes West Continent JPG -> 68.00

Legion
04-11-2014, 11:14 AM
There is a typo in the Baked Potatoes West Continent JPG -> 68.00
sry and thx, will change in few sec

Legion
04-11-2014, 11:18 AM
Done =]

Zenjirr
04-11-2014, 12:00 PM
I honestly was making the Trade Pack Guide yesterday and since you've beat me to it I can only offer this table to improve your guide:

http://i61.tinypic.com/207srk3.png

Legion
04-11-2014, 12:14 PM
I honestly was making the Trade Pack Guide yesterday and since you've beat me to it I can only offer this table to improve your guide:

http://i61.tinypic.com/207srk3.png

I'll add it ty =]

Wiseman
04-14-2014, 04:45 PM
Great guide Legion!!!...:cool:

I think that you forgot to make the numbers blue for Sollis Headlands on Liberty Island, for East continent goods... And orange for Solzreed Peninsula maximal price on foreign continent, for West continent goods.

Aelos
04-14-2014, 05:16 PM
Thanks for the guide Legion c:

Aurelius Luna
04-14-2014, 05:18 PM
excellent guide

r3dbull
04-15-2014, 02:50 AM
Bookmarked straight away, I think these will be very helpful informations upon launch :)

Can't wait, hype so high!

methods
04-15-2014, 02:44 PM
Good job like this guide a lot

Toyaga
04-29-2014, 06:48 AM
Nice guide mate. Bookmarked

Noira
05-18-2014, 01:27 PM
This isn't accurate for 1.0, is it?

Prosper
05-19-2014, 12:45 AM
This is a brilliant table. Is the .xlsx version available somewhere?

Kaderie
05-19-2014, 11:22 PM
Hello, first thank you for the excellent guide.

Secondly, I'd appreciate if you could answer this...the little secret you mention at the end, is there more efficient ways to cross a continent? The level 20 character wouldn't have anything beyond a rowboat so I was wondering on how that would work.

Legion
05-20-2014, 04:58 AM
Hello, first thank you for the excellent guide.

Secondly, I'd appreciate if you could answer this...the little secret you mention at the end, is there more efficient ways to cross a continent? The level 20 character wouldn't have anything beyond a rowboat so I was wondering on how that would work.

Cross a continent you can with whatever you want, but to cross a sea you'll need Harpoon Clipper and your 50 level character, otherwise, on rowboat it'll be too long + minions in sea can kill you, I don't speak even about players, but mostly no one attacks one poor clipper. For few months on RU I was atacked only few times, when I was solo

coltraz
06-11-2014, 06:11 PM
Regarding the "trick"...how would you make 100 gold off one pack when the table has no values set anywhere near 100 gold?

and how would that stop you from getting killed in the sea?

Legion
06-12-2014, 01:40 AM
Regarding the "trick"...how would you make 100 gold off one pack when the table has no values set anywhere near 100 gold?

and how would that stop you from getting killed in the sea?

Those 100 gold you can make in a week ofc, only smart trade routes can save you from being killed

Kahlin
07-09-2014, 09:37 PM
Considering this guide was related to the previous patch. Is there any information on a more updated one?

MoSa
07-09-2014, 11:29 PM
Thanks a lot , this is very helpfull.

meike
07-10-2014, 01:59 AM
Don't you see a BOT cycle shift run trade! I found out..
Don't you see a BOT cycle shift run trade! I found out..

eli1982
07-10-2014, 08:32 PM
how do i drop a trade pack on the ground?
didn't find a way

Coffey
07-10-2014, 09:54 PM
how do i drop a trade pack on the ground?
didn't find a way
There is skill for it

Legion
07-12-2014, 01:34 PM
Considering this guide was related to the previous patch. Is there any information on a more updated one?

Nothing changes, only this 80/20 thing and from how much I heard for intercontinental trade runs you won't get any gilda, but I will change it when it'll be embedded =]

Trixta
07-12-2014, 01:49 PM
Nothing changes, only this 80/20 thing and from how much I heard for intercontinental trade runs you won't get any gilda, but I will change it when it'll be embedded =]

ALL the trade packs changed, there is now alot less of them, use different mats and cost more to produce

Legion
07-12-2014, 02:36 PM
ALL the trade packs changed, there is now alot less of them, use different mats and cost more to produce
From what trade pack is made you can find in game, I will update it as soon as possible, just arrive from 2 weeks long party =]

The Hawkins
07-14-2014, 04:25 AM
lol good gide but not 4 1.2 sory ;((((((((((((((((((( lol

Legion
07-14-2014, 05:01 AM
lol good gide but not 4 1.2 sory ;((((((((((((((((((( lol

Ja, I know, made it before alpha =], but I'll update it soon and who said that those updates will be on OBT =[

TNinja
09-30-2014, 07:22 AM
Does the trade pack drops on logouts? I have seen packs being in odd places for minutes.

And do you get crime points for picking up dropped packs?

Nodoze
09-30-2014, 09:51 AM
I am fairly new and no expert on AA but my ISP has been dropping me regularly and my packs are still on me when I log back in. My kids and I have 3 accounts and usually 2-3 of us get kicked at a time. When that happens and one is on he doesn't see the other two folks packs. When that happens and all 3 are logged out the first one in does not see the others packs lying around and when they login their packs are on...

I suspect the packs on the ground are there because someone died for some reason. On our level 12-14 trade characters I did have a concern when passing level 20+ monsters but I was able to survive by keeping moving. One time after my ISP kicked me while I was on an Airship I fell to my death and had to release and run to my pack... I did get there before on another level 10-12 character but he wasn't able to pick up the pack because it was owned by one of my other characters and he wasn't high enough level to pick it up.

I suspect that it would give crime points if someone picked up and was reported but don't know for sure and also curious if anyone knows for sure.

TNinja
09-30-2014, 11:13 AM
Where can I find Shadow Merchants? :V

Got a pack of iron, but Gold Traders aren't takin'm.