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Celestrata Bloodsong
07-09-2015, 09:13 AM
ArcheAge Server Evolution FAQ

Hello all!

This FAQ will be updated over time as we finalize details for the upcoming Evolution.

Updated 06/02/15, 06/03/15, 06/12/15, 7/10/15

For reference, the previous FAQs and discussion can be found here:
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?196325-OFFICIAL-SERVER-EVOLUTION-amp-FEEDBACK-THREAD-(in-progress
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?200196-OFFICIAL-SERVER-EVOLUTION-amp-FEEDBACK-THREAD-(Mark-II)

The information offered here is NOT final, and due to the complexity of the process, is subject to change. It is also intentionally vague when we don't have solid answers yet. It's better to say we don't know because we have not fully investigated and verified matters rather than to provide incorrect information.
Please continue to post questions and constructive discussion to this thread - we're all in this together!

Player feedback and suggestions have been invaluable; we'll fill in the blanks and expand this FAQ enormously as we explore and test the internal processes requires, and address the specific concerns that you bring up.

We've added some new information, so make sure to check out the latest news right at the top of the FAQ!

~ The ArcheAge Team

LATEST NEWS

We will conduct server transfers for evolution impacted players at a time prior to the evolutions. This allows players on an evolution candidate server to transfer to a non-candidate server of their choice on their region. See below for more information!
We will add a brand new, fresh, untouched server to both NA and EU. This server will be on a brand new Auction House instance as well.
The servers that are candidates for the evolutions have been updated and are still subject to change.


See below for more information on these new developments.



ABOUT THE SERVER EVOLUTION:
Why do we need an Evolution? I am happy with the way things are!
In the course of a game's life cycle, it is normal to see two things happen: lower level zones used by low to mid-level players are underpopulated, and players move on to new games.

In ArcheAge, we are now seeing an increase over time in our player base, but many players, old and new, have requested a way to bring together more players on each server.

Due to the unique nature of ArcheAge, particularly with regard to land ownership, we will not undertake the old style standard server merges - instead, we are embarking on an Evolution, which gives players more choices.

When will the Evolution take place?
Toward the end of this year. We don't have a date yet, and there are a LOT of technical details to work out. It also gives you all lots of time to think of additional concerns or questions for us to address.

We will try to schedule the Evolutions over a weekend. We know some folks work weekends, but the largest number are home during that time. This will be subject to our ability to arrange all of the technical support we need over the weekend - Dev and Community are on board for weekends.

What sort of time window will we have for the Evolution?
We will announce the date as far as possible in advance, as well as the window for active Evolution.

If I'm on an evolution candidate server, can I transfer off of it before the evolution?
We intend to open free, one time transfers up to players on evolution candidate servers prior to the evolution itself. Evolution affected players can opt-in to this service, allowing them to move to a non-candidate server of their choice on their current region. If a player does not opt-into the transfer, they will be evolved onto their new world.

More information and dates for these early transfers will be made available as they are confirmed. Please note that we still will not support cross-region transfers. Additionally, we are still discussing naming collisions, multiple characters going to different shards, and other topics surrounding this new service.
[added 07/10/15]

What exactly will happen during the Evolution?
We are still looking at a number of options before solidifying the process. The basic plan is as follows: new servers will be created, and players from current low population servers will be moved to these shiny new servers. Yes, that means... LAND RUSH! All other details are under evaluation.

ABOUT YOUR SERVERS:
What servers will be affected?
We are going to try to set up hardware to test the Evolution process on PTS (Public Test Server) before it hits live. This was a most excellent suggestion. We cannot test provisions for name collisions, but we CAN test the migration of players, items, currency and achievements. [added 06/03/15]

All current servers MAY be involved in the Evolution in one way or another. At this time, we are primarily focused on the needs of the lowest population servers. Some of the high population servers may be affected if we allow transfers to and from them. We feel it’s important to let our invested high pop players know they will not be forcibly moved off their servers.

As of July 10, our tentative plan is as follows...
Candidates for Evolution due to low populations:
NA: Calliel, Enla, Ezi, Inoch, Lucius
EU: Orchidna, Melisara, Nui, Janudar, Nebe [updated 07/10/15]

Not currently considered candidates for Evolution:
NA: Aranzeb, Ollo, Salphira, Kyrios, Tahyang (RP), Naima
EU: Shatigon, Kyprosa, Eanna (RP), Dahuta (RP), Aier [updated 07/10/15]

How many new servers will be provided to Evolve into for NA and EU? Many want to know if it’s 2:1, 3:1, 4:1, etc.
At the time of this update, we will provide two evolution servers per region. The final ratio for how the servers will be evolved is still being decided. We will also add a brand new, fresh server into the pool for each region. These servers will be separated out onto their own auction house cluster, so they will not be affected by the actions of prior servers.

The new servers are as follows. Their names are not final and are still subject to change:
NA: Kraken (Evolved), Nazar (Evolved), Morpheus (NEW)
EU: EU New Servers: Leviathan (Evolved), Anthalon (Evolved), Rangora (NEW)

[added 07/10/15]
Are EU and NA Evolutions expected to take place at the same time, staggered hours, or staggered days?[B]
The plan is to have them occur end-to-end with EU going first and NA following. This is the same format we use for larger content releases. The downtime will be significant so it’s possible evolutions will happen over the span of a day or two. [added 06/12/15]

[B]What AH clusters will the new servers belong to?
[Khrolan] This is completely undefined right now. Our goal is to do what we can to ensure all future AH clusters receive an acceptable amount of traffic. It also depends on technical limitations but there’s a good chance evolution servers will join an existing high population 4 server cluster expanding it to 5 or 6. [added 06/12/15]

Are we planning to block character creation on the low-pop servers prior to the Evolution?
We have no plans to do this as of now. If we did block character creation, it would only be 2-3 weeks prior and we’d announce it very heavily in advance, in conjunction with the official Evolution customer service announcements. [added 06/12/15]

What steps have Trion and XL taken to prevent the issues that happened during Headstart or Auroria launches?
[Khrolan] We’re coming up on our first year of service and we’ve learned from our past mistakes with regard to queues and latency. It’s our goal to deliver a solid evolution experience using our best practices which include pushing PTS through a simulated server evolution that players can participate in. With the release of two new housing zones since Auroria released—Secrets of Ayanad (Diamond Shores) and Dread Prophecies (Golden Ruins)—we’ve seen the success of limiting the amount of unbuilt houses that can be placed and have drastically mitigated land hacking to support the land rush. [added 06/12/15]

Can I decide which server I prefer to be on during the Evolution?
We want to offer choices, but we need technical confirmation that we can support affected players in their choice of servers on their region. We'll update as soon as we have confirmation.

How long do you expect the update to take?
This is a major update and may take up to 24 hours.

[U]ABOUT YOUR CHARACTERS:
Will my character transfer with my existing race, faction, level, progression (all skill tree levels), proficiency (and progress), specialization increases, titles, gold, gilda, merit badges, loyalty, infamy, honor, crime points and trial count?
Yes.

Will Teleport Book locations and Recall Points be transferred?
We aren’t 100% sure yet but our goal is to push for all static NPC teleports to remain and all recorded teleport locations to previous player housing to be removed. [added 06/02/15]

Will my expanded character slots, bag slots and warehouse slots carry over?
Yes

If I changed my gender or appearance since creation with salon certificates, will the change carry over?
Yes.

Will my character achievements carry over?
We certainly hope so but cannot confirm yet. [added 06/12/15]

Will my character exploration proficiency carry over?
It should, since this is character-data specific post 1.7. [added 06/12/15]

I am part of a large guild - how can we make sure we all end up on the same server?
We know how important it is for guilds to stay together, so this is a top priority in our planning.

What if a player misses the Evolution window or comes back after years away from the game?
Most likely, players who are on a low population server and inactive at the time of the Evolution will be relocated automatically.

When the Evolution happens, will characters reappear in the world exactly where they logged out on the old server?
This is a good question. We’ll have the answer after we take PTS through the Evolution cycle. [Khrolan] My gut response is yes because where else would they spawn? [added 06/12/15]


Will I still have my name after the Evolution?
You will transfer with your name. In the case of a name conflict on your new server, we may need to manually rename one of the characters. We need to review precisely how this process will work. We know this is an important consideration, and will clarify as soon as we can!

Will players be able to reset their character race and/or faction upon transfer?
Unfortunately, we will not be able to change your race or faction upon transfer. [added 06/02/15]

What happens if we Evolve two servers and a player ends up with more than four characters on the new server?
This is clearly something that we really, really need to investigate in advance. Luckily, it is WELL in advance of Evolution, so we have the time. If we can find a way to allow Evolving players to designate the servers they are going to, we can work around this by allowing them to choose two different destination servers. [added 06/02/15]

cont'd...

Celestrata Bloodsong
07-09-2015, 09:14 AM
ABOUT YOUR LAND:

What happens to the land I own at the time of the Evolution?
Players and their items will be packaged to move. We will offer more details on the specifics as we get closer to the date.

Can we offer a tax holiday until the mergers? Alternatively, can we offer a tax holiday for a period of time around the mergers?
It’s possible but not reviewed nor worked into the plan yet. Thanks for the suggestion and for bringing light to how something like this might help ease the Evolution! [added 06/02/15]

Will there be a 24-hour peace imposed on the lands on the day of Evolution?
Yes. All continental conflict zones that support player housing will be pushed into their peace cycles right before we allow characters to enter the world. This will be done to ensure everyone has a fair chance at previous plots and minimize large scale blocking. [added 06/02/15]
The ocean war zones: arcadian sea, stormraw sound, castaway straight, feuille sound and halcyona gulf will remain contested. Auroria zones will have PvP enabled--including Golden Ruins and Diamond Shores—because that’s the nature of the continent. [added 06/02/15]

Will people be unable to “purple” for 24 hours?
No, but peace will be imposed, as outlined above. [added 06/02/15]


Will land placement be restricted in any way, limits, time constraints?
No, normal landrush process will be in effect: full kits. 2 unbuilts per account, typical rules apply. [added 06/12/15]


Will anyone be allowed early access?
Probably not. Players will still need patron status to place land. For this to be fair to all players, it has to be simple – the more complex we get the harder it is to control and manage. [added 06/12/15]


Are there assurances that land hackers will be prevented from ruining the land rush?
[Khrolan] We have and will do everything in our power to mitigate this. That said, it’s the internet. Is there a crouching tiger, hidden land hack? It’s totally possible. If we can confirm hacking (and we’ll have plenty of logs in place) we’ll smash those houses right down. [added 06/12/15]

Will servers be locked to transferred players for the first week to prevent opportunists from cashing in?
No. Previously established characters will have full kits and can place them with expedience vs. acquiring materials. [added 06/12/15]

Will claims with pre-existing tokens be placed instantly, no-labor or mats required?
Tax certs are the only thing that are required. [added 06/12/15]
[Khrolan] We can offer testing on PTS Evolution so players can see how they work prior to the live server Evolution. [added 06/12/15]

What about castles?
We are actively investigating castle placement with regard to the Evolution. Stay tuned.[added 06/12/15]

Are we getting any new housing zones?
We will discuss this more when we are closer to update 2.0, the Evolution and have firm information in place. Promise!

Can land tracts be made instanced for existing players?
Unfortunately, the game code is not designed to support instanced housing. Additionally, instancing would adversely affect gameplay as designed - open-world housing encourages social aspects of the game, neighbors, communities and even danger in many areas. [added 06/02/15]

cont'd...

Celestrata Bloodsong
07-09-2015, 09:14 AM
ABOUT YOUR ITEMS:
What happens to my items with the Evolution?
Our goal is to ensure that all personal, inventory and bank items will transfer, including currency (such as coins and honor). This will be a very complex database challenge.

Will my game mail and auction items transfer?
In-game mail will likely not transfer, nor will listed auctions. This makes it important for us to give as much advance notice as possible when we set a date for the Evolution.

Will my warehoused items transfer?
Yes.

What happens to items in chests?
Items in chests are a special challenge, and will need to have them packed up, one way or another. Based on our personal play experience, we know that most of us are pack rats; we have concerns about those of us with so many items that we can’t possibly fit them in warehouse/inventory. We need to find a reasonable way to address that situation. Us pack rats hate having to drop goods!

ABOUT POST-EVOLUTION TRANSFERS

What happens if I want to be on a different server than the one I transferred to at Evolution?
Transfers post-Evolution will be offered. They should be created and implemented in the same patch as the Evolution.

Can transfers be opened in advance of the Evolution?
We are happy to announce that we will open server transfers in advance of the evolution process. These transfers will be a one time, free service offered to players affected by the evolution. Players from evolution candidate servers will have the option to transfer to a non-evolution candidate server in their region prior to the evolution. Further details and dates will be added as they are confirmed. [added 07/10/15]

When transfers are available, Can EU players transfer to NA servers and vice versa?
Unfortunately, no.


[U]MISCELLANEOUS
Will customized game settings be transferred automatically?
We cannot be sure until we enact an Evolution on the PTS. [added 06/02/15]

Will inkwells and crested items retain their images after transfer?
We are not sure, and need to check on PTS in advance of the Evolution. [added 06/02/15]

Do Patrons or Early Access players get any special items or considerations in the Evolution, such as early access or name reservations?
It is not likely that we will gate access to the new servers. We are working on the name collision question separately. [updated 06/02/15][updated 06/12/15]

Will affected players receive compensation? Will it be on a sliding scale dependent on type of account (founder/patron), age of account, number of lots/houses, etc.?
We don't have anything like this yet, but this is a good suggestion. We'll look at creating a "Settler Package" that includes stuff like Tax Certificates, etc., to help players get adjusted on their new server. We want to ease the transition as much as we can. [added 06/02/15]

Will you offer the choice of closing an account and receiving a full refund of all the monies spent on this game?
No. The Evolution is a good thing for the game and for player populations. While your existing play experience will change, there are a lot of benefits from new communities growing together. Some people have the misconception that the new server will be this massive high population thing and their land baron status will be reduced to a single 16x16 in the middle of who cares. That’s not the case. Since they’ll be transferring with their land in Full Kit state this means they’ll be able to rapidly secure connected plots. There’s a chance they’re going to end up with more/better land than they had previously. [added 06/02/15]

Skytanic
07-10-2015, 03:44 PM
Uhh, what about Naima?

Celestrata Bloodsong
07-10-2015, 03:47 PM
Uhh, what about Naima?

LOST TO THE HEREAFTER.

Fixed. Placed appropriately back into the "not under consideration."

Skytanic
07-10-2015, 03:50 PM
Thank you!

Nerrivic
07-10-2015, 03:53 PM
Thank you for the update, Celestrata :)

I'm very happy to hear that transfers will be offered ahead of the merger. While I'm not yet sure wether I will choose this for myself, it is a great relief to me to finally see reason and logic applied to the merging process.

With a reaction of this magnitude to player feedback, and a somewhat new attitude towards problem solving, the merger might actually be survivable.
I didn't think I would ever write something like this again, but here goes: Trion, you have pleasantly surprised me ! ;)

Kuktar
07-10-2015, 03:57 PM
I realized last night my server is dieing. I have so much invested, i hope server transfers will not be too much cost. i have 30 alts that are all almost 55. If transfers do end up costing credits i would surmise a cost of 10k creds per transfer srcroll to be acceptable. If there free 1 per char i will be ecstatic!. Does anyone have info regarding this?

Akakaze
07-10-2015, 04:01 PM
So, the people that want high pop servers get to move to them, BUT the people that LIKE the server the way it is and DO NOT want to merge get told tough luck we don't care while you open a NEW server... REALLY???? The friends I joined this game to play with are quitting at merge because of this stupidity. They were told everything would be done to prevent a merge, and yet here it is. All their hard work in building and getting adjoining land spots gone *poof* All the company says is try and get it back, but if you don't tough ♥♥♥♥. Really makes me want to become a patron NOT

kimbroughhg
07-10-2015, 04:02 PM
So basically quit the game due to all land being stolen, got it.

TalonEzi
07-10-2015, 04:07 PM
I could not be happier about this news. I really couldn't.

arby
07-10-2015, 04:08 PM
So the nice calm game atmosphere that's not too crowded, not too empty, but just right on Orchidna is going to become an overcrowded testosterone fest like all the servers I decided not to settle on? Friggin' great.

Kara
07-10-2015, 04:16 PM
I agree, Orchidna is fine, it does not need to be merged.

If you allowing transfers and adding brand new server, why not just leave people who are happy to be on low population servers?

Saryasino
07-10-2015, 04:22 PM
Question on the news today for you Celestrata.

If a player transfers to a high population server. I assume if the land space they had is already occupied by someone already on the high pop server that the existing player is not affected (they keep their land and the transferring in player would have to find another place to put their packaged land)

Is this scenario correct?

Tol
07-10-2015, 04:29 PM
Excuse me if I missed it, but will we retain pirate status when undergoing an Evolution or Transfer?

Rahvin
07-10-2015, 04:32 PM
Excuse me if I missed it, but will we retain pirate status when undergoing an Evolution or Transfer?

It's in there...infamy will transfer.

Arialun
07-10-2015, 04:36 PM
Server transfer sounds good.

Ollo will grow larger than before.

Ollo is love, Ollo is life.

Ollo. Obey. Omnipotent.

CalliCat
07-10-2015, 04:37 PM
So, the people that want high pop servers get to move to them, BUT the people that LIKE the server the way it is and DO NOT want to merge get told tough luck we don't care while you open a NEW server... REALLY???? The friends I joined this game to play with are quitting at merge because of this stupidity. They were told everything would be done to prevent a merge, and yet here it is. All their hard work in building and getting adjoining land spots gone *poof* All the company says is try and get it back, but if you don't tough ♥♥♥♥. Really makes me want to become a patron NOT

Yep they don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about those of us who don't live for pvp we may as well all go find a new game.

While opening transfers ahead of time is a great step which I applaud it still does nothing to help those people who have busted their ♥♥♥♥♥ to get their land where and how they want it. Not to mention I don't want to be on a stuffed to the gills server I prefer a small community where you can know all the players, and who to avoid.

Tousseau
07-10-2015, 04:54 PM
Out of curiosity... is there a max population for a server?
Likewise, with 5 servers looking a evolving into 3... how will that work if a majority opt to transfer to Morpheus or the other high population servers? Will one of the "Evolved" servers then be dropped, and the remainder placed to one?

SweetMikka
07-10-2015, 05:15 PM
Out of curiosity... is there a max population for a server?
Likewise, with 5 servers looking a evolving into 3... how will that work if a majority opt to transfer to Morpheus or the other high population servers? Will one of the "Evolved" servers then be dropped, and the remainder placed to one?

In today's stream they said the new servers are for people who want to start out from level 1 only not transfers. So in order to go there you have to make a new character. I do not see a large number of older players deleting their old accounts to do that. I figure older players may make an alt on that server, but as long as their "other" character stays active on the old server it will not reduce the numbers much so the impact should be minimal.

Charbeneau
07-10-2015, 05:21 PM
I personally feel players shouldnt get the choice of which server they get merged onto due to then it will make it harder for guilds to stick together especially if servers end up with a que on them some players might just click the alternate servers

Gentatsu
07-10-2015, 05:22 PM
Will servers be locked to transferred players for the first week to prevent opportunists from cashing in?
No. Previously established characters will have full kits and can place them with expedience vs. acquiring materials. [added 06/12/15]

Will claims with pre-existing tokens be placed instantly, no-labor or mats required?
Tax certs are the only thing that are required. [added 06/12/15]
[Khrolan] We can offer testing on PTS Evolution so players can see how they work prior to the live server Evolution. [added 06/12/15]

so does this mean that when our houses and farms are packed up into kits we will get our tax cert deposit back? since we will need to have tax certs in our inventory for placement of the kits or will we just be juped out of our tax cert deposit?? would like to know. thanks

mikroman
07-10-2015, 05:38 PM
In today's stream they said the new servers are for people who want to start out from level 1 only not transfers. So in order to go there you have to make a new character. I do not see a large number of older players deleting their old accounts to do that. I figure older players may make an alt on that server, but as long as their "other" character stays active on the old server it will not reduce the numbers much so the impact should be minimal.

This will a new SERVER. Why do you want "Delete" account? You create a new character and you can play in new server and in the olds too. This i good for new players and old players who want fresh start and new chance. You know the game now. Lot of bugs and exploits fixed. You will have same chances... (except the credit-card-factor). And you can get house, farms or kill new players as pirate. :D

Tousseau
07-10-2015, 05:41 PM
In today's stream they said the new servers are for people who want to start out from level 1 only not transfers. So in order to go there you have to make a new character. I do not see a large number of older players deleting their old accounts to do that. I figure older players may make an alt on that server, but as long as their "other" character stays active on the old server it will not reduce the numbers much so the impact should be minimal.

Ah... my bad, I misunderstood the faq... there was no mention of the new servers were for lvl 1s only.

Thank you

Crazy Mike
07-10-2015, 06:06 PM
What kind of compensation are we looking at for being the owner of a castle? People owninga 16x16 on freedich were given a unique title and 2500 gold I'd expect something a bit more prestigious as a castle to give something along those lines, if not more

TalonEzi
07-10-2015, 06:14 PM
What kind of compensation are we looking at for being the owner of a castle? People owninga 16x16 on freedich were given a unique title and 2500 gold I'd expect something a bit more prestigious as a castle to give something along those lines, if not more

You've had nothing but major piles of gold for months uncontested because sieges are broken. Cry me an effin river.

Condemned Chrispy
07-10-2015, 06:14 PM
Castle situations

Question
Castle ownership is hard to come by on certain servers. Mainly requiring a guild large enough to defend the castle. More importantly take the castle.

This required countless amounts of gold/resources planning/time.

Q Will Guild leaders receive some sort of compensation for owning a castle on a server that is now affected by the Evolution?

Suggestion
Lock Auroria Lodestones for the week. Depending on what day the server Evolution happens find a day (Preferably on the weekend) that has high activity and open auroria's lodestone and recreate that *AURORIA LAUNCH* That we all missed out on.

^This won't exactly work
v
Reasoning
Day1. Auroria land is open.
Day2-5. 75-100% land will be filled in auroria.
Day7/Castle day. Guilds will Fight for the castles (a lot of fun)
Day8. Castle owner destroys any unwanted land near lodestone.

Final Suggestion
1. Lock Auroria Land for the first week of Evolution (E-Day)
2. About 1 week later (announced in advanced) *AURORIA LAUNCH* Open up the castle lodestones and watch as the guilds fight for ownership!
3. After castles have been claimed by a guild, Housing area opens and land grab is enabled in auroria.

This WILL fix:
The issues with server stability on E-Day (Launch day) will not affect launch of auroria castles.
If people miss out on launch day their will be another opportunity to grab land on possibly a more convenient day/time.
Any issues regarding Castle owners destroying land placed near soon to be captured lodestones.

Bullshihtzu
07-10-2015, 06:15 PM
Yep nothing new to see here , the same disregard for their players work and progress in game and money invested , I hope people from other servers see this thread so they know what their in for next . Trion can not be trusted with our money or our progress in game that being said there really is no point carrying on playing this game after the merger , and there definatly is no point investing time/money before the merger .
You should note not one word about compensation .

Nyan
07-10-2015, 06:19 PM
Still nothing about players who would want to merge but are stuck on a non-evolutive server. If the players planned for evolution can move before the evolution, why wouldn't we have that chance too? At least being authorized to transfer at the moment of the evolution.

Condemned Chrispy
07-10-2015, 06:23 PM
Still nothing about players who would want to merge but are stuck on a non-evolutive server. If the players planned for evolution can move before the evolution, why wouldn't we have that chance too? At least being authorized to transfer at the moment of the evolution.

Simple as.. Non evolution servers aren't having population issues. Or they would be an evolution server..

Allowing people to jump ship from higher populated servers to a "fresh" server that will cause issues with the population of a non evolution server

Zula
07-10-2015, 06:28 PM
So, no update about how you will deal with unhappy landowners. Nothing about how your not going to ruin people's progress.

Just another thing to cater for hardcore pvpers. But in the end your still going to merge us.

Most of the pvpers are going to transfer to a high pop server and all that's left are us landowners fighting for land in the new server which we didn't want to happen in the first place... great

Kitwyn
07-10-2015, 06:45 PM
They want the carebears out at all costs, we don't spend enough. They automated all the vocations(logging, mining, farming, gathering, and husbandry). That didn't work so they are taking the land from us. They are killing our worlds and communities, all the while reminding us that the invested high pop players will not be forced off their land. Just to make sure we get the message, all the merged servers are named for monsters, demons, and necromancers. Thanks Trion
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unbelievable
07-10-2015, 06:50 PM
I am not one for posting on forums ,yes I do read them like lots of players that choose not too be vocal, so enough, just give people the facts and so we can choose to stay or move on.

CalliCat
07-10-2015, 07:22 PM
They want the carebears out at all costs, we don't spend enough. They automated all the vocations(logging, mining, farming, gathering, and husbandry). That didn't work so they are taking the land from us. They are killing our worlds and communities, all the while reminding us that the invested high pop players will not be forced off their land. Just to make sure we get the message, all the merged servers are named for monsters, demons, and necromancers. Thanks Trion
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My thoughts exactly. It is clear we are not wanted even though we are the ones who would be staying for the long haul because we value what we have and are not going to run off to the next big pvp game as soon as it hits. They don't seem to care though because the pvp players are the ones dumping huge amounts of cash to buy their way to the top. Who cares about people who would keep playing this game for years to come and spending on subs and cash shop items. It's pretty clear its the quick buck they want, not long term success.

Akakaze
07-10-2015, 08:08 PM
@Trion ok, I already did my rant. Now it's time for the constructive input. I hear a lot of unhappy about the merge and a lot of people that won't stay if/when it happens. The question is have you done a cost annalysis on your proposal? If it were my business, I'd be sending an in game mail to all characters with a survey. Since it's a merge issue all it needs is Do you want to be on a high pop server yes or no. Since you have already stated players will be able to transfer to a high pop server the ones that said yes can be set aside. Look at what is left over. Are there enough patrons for the server to turn a profit? The flip side. You are merging 5 servers into 2. That's 5 servers of landholders into 2. That's a lot of patrons with less land than they currently have (some with no land). The only reason to patron to this game is to hold land. How many patrons ($$) will you loose when they quit or go f2p due to lack of land (you have the maps you know how much land is used and what will be available. 5 into 2 is a lot of unhappy players. Do an actual annalysis don't guess). Run the numbers and see what is viable. Don't assume people will stay and give you money anyway. I know players are a comidity and easily replaced, but you should consider the game reputation and the income potentials. Remember Vocal MINORITY Silent MAJORITY you don't know who the minority and the majority are without a poll.

Hzlchua
07-10-2015, 10:39 PM
Please, for those people that say "why not let our server stay, we love being an empty server" or the like.., Each server has its own server fee that trion has to pay monthly/yearly.., having no people on these servers will only mean more expenses to them(or shortage of server sustainability). even though this is just a game, this is still a business. So please, Let them do what's best.

Akakaze
07-10-2015, 11:08 PM
Which is why I said to do the numbers. If the server doesn't turn a profit, it's not viable. There is more than one thing to look at and they are the only ones that have the numbers. If it's not financially viable they should just say so. That would lessen the hurt feelings a lot of people have. Silence is NOT golden in this case.

IronArm
07-10-2015, 11:30 PM
Will there be anything in place to limit the amount of people going from Evolving servers to non-Evolving servers?

I can see an issues with low population servers becoming less populated because of people transferring to the higher population servers creating the same issue that is already occuring... Having a few servers that are well populated and the rest low populated.

BigMac
07-10-2015, 11:49 PM
@Trion, please add two additional (virtual) servers to PTS so we can test there what will happen when a player ends up with 6 characters on the target server. So PTS1, PTS2 & PTS3. An account creates 4 char on PTS1, and one each on PTS2 & PTS3. PTS2 & PTS3 will be evolved into PTS1, now do I have 6 characters on that server? One of my characters has the same name (BillyBob) on all 3 servers, what happens to the name, etc. There are MANY scenarios we can help test IF PTS is expanded a bit for this test.

Back in the Alpha Test days on Rift, Trion supported two test servers, Alpha & Omega. The reason they did it then was that there were going to be PvP servers and PvE servers each with different rulesets. Trion seemed to feel that each ruleset needed to be tested so Alpha was a PvP server and Omega was a PvE server. In AA, we don't have different rulesets but we DO have a need to test merging / evolving.

Thanks for listening.

mixblaza
07-11-2015, 01:45 AM
I can't wait for the server transfers!!

Maybe I will start on new server too !!

mikroman
07-11-2015, 01:52 AM
I can't wait for the server transfers!!

Maybe I will start on new server too !!
I will start one too. I hope that "fresh start" and "evolution land rush" servers will start in different day. I love the zerg rush. :cool:

Renera
07-11-2015, 02:04 AM
Sigh... another new thread. I only wanted to say that it's still a SERVER MERGE and not an EVOLUTION. I'm still against this land rush and it's rediculos that you're going to steal all our land... many of us worked hard to get their spots.

Buhg
07-11-2015, 03:44 AM
Conflicting information again. Badly written FAQ.

Once again they haven't given us any reliable information on any of the technical issues we're worried about.

"LATEST NEWS

We will conduct server transfers for evolution impacted players at a time prior to the evolutions. This allows players on an evolution candidate server to transfer to a non-candidate server of their choice on their region. See below for more information!"

And when one looks "below"

"Can I decide which server I prefer to be on during the Evolution?
We want to offer choices, but we need technical confirmation that we can support affected players in their choice of servers on their region. We'll update as soon as we have confirmation."


Allowing one to choose which server to go to (assuming the later information is correct) doesn't really make this NOT a merge. It just means one may get the choice where to merge.

I know I'm harping this point but there's a reason for it.

What other choices are there, Trion, how is this NOT a merge?

Traciatim
07-11-2015, 05:22 AM
Will there be anything in place to limit the amount of people going from Evolving servers to non-Evolving servers?

I can see an issues with low population servers becoming less populated because of people transferring to the higher population servers creating the same issue that is already occuring... Having a few servers that are well populated and the rest low populated.

If there is already not enough land in peace zone for people to get some and even most of the PVP zones have land taken, and then you merge 5 servers in to 2... there isn't going to be anywhere near enough for everybody already. So getting the PVP players to go over to trollo or similar will really help the populations of the new servers up and running with nice friendly people.

Warhead42
07-11-2015, 06:04 AM
With transfers to non-evolution candidate servers AND the opening of a brand new server, perhaps two evolution servers to support what remains of 5 already low population servers is unnecessary.

I would hate for evolution to happen, only to require another evolution because two evolved servers are still low population.

Suggestion: One new, one evolved server (instead of one new and two evolved servers). Or, at the very least, wait and see what happens with transfers before making a final decision.

Tricky Death
07-11-2015, 06:23 AM
Question on the news today for you Celestrata.

If a player transfers to a high population server. I assume if the land space they had is already occupied by someone already on the high pop server that the existing player is not affected (they keep their land and the transferring in player would have to find another place to put their packaged land)

Is this scenario correct?All of your land will close on a server where are u from, and the desings will return in your mailbox or inventory, whatever. Lands will not transfared, i mean if u build a house somewhere, and u transfare your char to other or new sever, your house will not be there. :)

stamgast
07-11-2015, 07:12 AM
i just want to say this. i think its funny that they keep saying instacing (farm, housing, etcetc) is not posible as its not in the code.
wel its funny that 2.0 comes with instanced area's.

Shadfly
07-11-2015, 08:30 AM
Maybe I missed the logic, but why add an additional NEW server?
It seems like they are setting up a new group of players to be merged again later. It will be a low-pop server and in six months they'll be the next "evolution" victims.

Rather than add an additional new server, why not direct peeps to roll on the highest pop of the low pop servers?

I think it's absolutely crappy of Trion NOT to lock access to the evolved servers for a set period of time to only those accounts that were active on the evolution-victim servers at the time of the announcement.

At launch (post-headstart), these evolution-victim servers were the only unlocked servers to start on. Trion created this mess to pull in more players. Now we the players are being punished (our lands taken away) in order to correct it.

To make matters worse, they are starting a new server that will be victims of evolution in another six months.

It's like they are purposely scamming the player base into starting fresh, taking their money, and then chasing them off by taking their assets (land) and redistributing them to a new player base they can then fleece. Rinse-repeat every six to nine months.

Aeva
07-11-2015, 09:59 AM
I was rather excited to start on the new server that is coming out. :) I took a break for a couple months and feel like I fell wwwaaayyy behind everyone in terms of gear and progression, with no real clue on how to catch up. A fresh start sounds better than starting on Kyrios, which was plan B if I had decided to return. ;p

smashyabox
07-11-2015, 10:26 AM
Cant wait for the merge. Best times I had in this game were around launch and before auroria when the servers were populated :)

penguinbomb5
07-11-2015, 10:37 AM
So with the introduction of the new servers Morpheus and Rangora, will players be able to transfer over to them immediately? Or will these servers be transfer locked for a certain amount of time in order to give them time to "catch up" with the other servers?

BigMac
07-11-2015, 10:41 AM
So with the introduction of the new servers Morpheus and Rangora, will players be able to transfer over to them immediately? Or will these servers be transfer locked for a certain amount of time in order to give them time to "catch up" with the other servers?

The two new servers are not available targets for transfers. You can only get there as a new level 1 character.

Reyzoul Soulstorm
07-11-2015, 11:43 AM
I'm interested in more information on the following two items


[Khrolan] ... PTS through a simulated server evolution that players can participate in ...

I'd like to see the test plan for this. How are we going to test the situation of having X houses now, full chests, some with bound items also (the otherwordly chests) and then the evolotion is simulated, there's a simulated land rush, ... what is our test plan for all that? And I say "our" plan because its we who need to be conformable with these mechanics and understood and working, and its you who needs to setup the environment to enable all this to occur. Its a joint effort.


What happens to items in chests?
Items in chests are a special challenge, and will need to have them packed up, one way or another. Based on our personal play experience, we know that most of us are pack rats; we have concerns about those of us with so many items that we can’t possibly fit them in warehouse/inventory. We need to find a reasonable way to address that situation. Us pack rats hate having to drop goods!

This point hasn't been updated, and is still looking like there is no solution to it. You've indicated for some time now that it is a "Special challenge"... but you haven't indicated yet that you have a solution to it.

Jimmee
07-11-2015, 11:54 AM
Please for the love of God add Tahyang to the list of evolution servers. At the very least, allow those of us that want to transfer, TO TRANSFER. I know everyone's argument is that "Tahyang was selected as the Unofficial RP Server at launch on the forums" but as a player that didn't know about this game until it launched, I had no idea of the forums, or that Tahyang was the "RP server", I simply joined the server that my friends told me to join. Now that all of my friends have quit, there's really no reason to stay on such a dead server. Yes, I said it, DEAD SERVER. I don't care what anyone says, Tahyang isn't nearly as populated as it should be. When I can go to world events and only see 10 people there, or roam around the enemy continent and see absolutely nobody, that's a big problem.

tl;dr - give Tahyang people the ability to transfer/evolve.

Reyzoul Soulstorm
07-11-2015, 11:59 AM
I also want to make sure I lodge my comments on this one also


Will anyone be allowed early access?
Probably not. Players will still need patron status to place land. For this to be fair to all players, it has to be simple – the more complex we get the harder it is to control and manage. [added 06/12/15]

I feel the value of our "early access" fee has been devalued to 0 with this decision.

We paid for it, and some of us got it.. (though there was serious install issues, and many people didn't have patron status even though we paid for it, so the early access wasn't terribly useful to many -- presumably those issues won't happen again.. right? right? [It took weeks for you to fix my patrons status -- I'm still pretty raw about that even today])

These were the servers you told us to use, the low queue servers, the others were locked out as I recall, and I feel in the evolution, you should be honoring those early access payments we gave you in some way... rather than just discounting them as unimportant.

Yevgeni
07-11-2015, 12:05 PM
People who complain about how Trion has ruined your experience, I don't get it. You're going to start over on two new evolution servers instead of five largely empty ones, with your land deeds already pre-built and every pvp zone at peace so you can move your carebear arse freely across the map (save for auroria/freedich waters). Just be fast and be there on time.

Cry me a river if you can't get your twenty-three connected plots and instead must settle for eight or nine at first.

P.S: If Trion really had something against carebears, they'd target carebears everywhere. What, you think high pop servers don't have their share? They're full of them as well. The "pvp everywhere, all the time" crowd is a minority, even on high pop servers. If carebears weren't bringing money in - as some of you imply, which is ludicrous as carebears are the type of folks who buy tons of deco items, costumes, flags, etc. - a carebear on a high pop server isn't any better than a carebear on a low pop.

What Trion has something against is people playing on dead servers. First, because they must pay for said server. Second, because despite what some of you land barons may think, the rest of your server's population isn't exactly thrilled to be stuck on totally dead servers. Hence why tons of them end up rerolling on Kyrios and Ollo.

Kitwyn
07-11-2015, 12:22 PM
People who complain about how Trion has ruined your experience, I don't get it. You're going to start over on two new evolution servers instead of five largely empty ones, with your land deeds already pre-built and every pvp zone at peace so you can move your carebear arse freely across the map (save for auroria/freedich waters). Just be fast and be there on time.

Cry me a river if you can't get your twenty-three connected plots and instead must settle for eight or nine at first.

P.S: If Trion really had something against carebears, they'd target carebears everywhere. What, you think high pop servers don't have their share? They're full of them as well. The "pvp everywhere, all the time" crowd is a minority, even on high pop servers. If carebears weren't bringing money in - as some of you imply, which is ludicrous as carebears are the type of folks who buy tons of deco items, costumes, flags, etc. - a carebear on a high pop server isn't any better than a carebear on a low pop.

What Trion has something against is people playing on dead servers. First, because they must pay for said server. Second, because despite what some of you land barons may think, the rest of your server's population isn't exactly thrilled to be stuck on totally dead servers. Hence why tons of them end up rerolling on Kyrios and Ollo.

So Daru bundles, majestic trees, strip mining, and emergent gameplay(ganking) are only on low pop servers. Thanks for the info. FAQ states they will in their peace cycle which is 3 hours, historically Trion really hard can't get most people on the servers in that time( except for the land hackers) so that doesn't help.

Onelastchance
07-11-2015, 12:54 PM
People who complain about how Trion has ruined your experience, I don't get it. You're going to start over on two new evolution servers instead of five largely empty ones, with your land deeds already pre-built and every pvp zone at peace so you can move your carebear arse freely across the map (save for auroria/freedich waters). Just be fast and be there on time.

Cry me a river if you can't get your twenty-three connected plots and instead must settle for eight or nine at first.

P.S: If Trion really had something against carebears, they'd target carebears everywhere. What, you think high pop servers don't have their share? They're full of them as well. The "pvp everywhere, all the time" crowd is a minority, even on high pop servers. If carebears weren't bringing money in - as some of you imply, which is ludicrous as carebears are the type of folks who buy tons of deco items, costumes, flags, etc. - a carebear on a high pop server isn't any better than a carebear on a low pop.

What Trion has something against is people playing on dead servers. First, because they must pay for said server. Second, because despite what some of you land barons may think, the rest of your server's population isn't exactly thrilled to be stuck on totally dead servers. Hence why tons of them end up rerolling on Kyrios and Ollo.

:) Wow there is sooo much wrong in this post I hardly know where to begin. First I guess a question; Are you a Trion white-knight with a brown nose or just some poor sheep that swallows the hype Trion passes for facts, cuz those are about the only possibilities I can garner from that nonsense.

You ASSume that Trion is being factual in it's assessment of the numbers involved in a quote high pop server and a low pop server, first mistake. They have not and will never offer any numbers to back up their claims and frankly at this point it would be impossible to trust any numbers they did offer up as being unbiased. The hype that some are willingly swallowing at this point is that the to-be-merged servers are dead wastelands. This is not true by ANY stretch of Anyone's imagination and that the quote high pop servers are constantly bustling along with happy folks again a HUGE misrepresentation as I have characters on some of those same servers and am never ceased to be amazed how dead they can be.
Trion can not or will not control the land-hackers to any meaningful degree. Their helplessness is no better show-cased then the pathetic claim that they some how controlled the "land rush" involved with Diamond shores and Golden Ruins. Land Rush are you frigging kidding me , stroll would be a much better term to use than rush. No one cared about the land in either of those places, so they were of little or No interest to the hacks. So if this is the best they can offer up as any kind of proof; then as has happened each time before the land will disappear quickly to these same hacks. Trusting Trion to get the setting right with the "peace" setting also will prove highly amusing as they have yet to get the timing right on a scheduled event sometimes being off by weeks :).

Sadly your claim that a carebear is no better off on a an unmerged server is just as deceptive as the rest as those carebears are NOT losing all their land as far as I know :).

I wish I felt comfortable pulling things from my ♥♥♥ and couching them as facts :) then I could say things like people being stuck on totally dead servers and "tons" of them re-rolling to Kyrios and Ollo.
If they have re-rolled as you said then they are not stuck :). Unless you mean to say that Kyrios and Ollo are as dead as they seem many times.

Onelastchance
07-11-2015, 01:03 PM
The two new servers are not available targets for transfers. You can only get there as a new level 1 character.

But Mac you have been telling us all along that new servers were what caused all this mess in the first place ... and that all the folks who rolled on them were "getting what they deserved" so aren't these new servers then an affront to nature and god and man and will bring the entire Archeage universe crashing down into the depths of hell; or were you just making that all up ? ;)

itsrambo
07-11-2015, 01:40 PM
The two new servers are not available targets for transfers. You can only get there as a new level 1 character.

Do you have a source for this info? I didn't see that in the evolution thread.

Rahvin
07-11-2015, 02:00 PM
Do you have a source for this info? I didn't see that in the evolution thread.

Khrolan explicitly stated it in Fri.'s livestream.

And it was in answer to my question in the stream...I was looking to beat on newbies :P

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h216/darkunion/archeage♥♥♥♥edupcat_zpsb18fadaa.png

BigMac
07-11-2015, 02:22 PM
But Mac you have been telling us all along that new servers were what caused all this mess in the first place ... and that all the folks who rolled on them were "getting what they deserved" so aren't these new servers then an affront to nature and god and man and will bring the entire Archeage universe crashing down into the depths of hell; or were you just making that all up ? ;)

I'm not the guy who decided there should be new servers. That's a Trion decision. Here's what I expect was their thinking behind all of this (and of course I could be totally wrong)...

After 2.0 comes out, and the transfers and migration have been completed, ArcheAge will be a very different game. It would make sense to advertize and market the game. If that marketing operation is well done, it will attract some new players to the game. Some of them may wan't to go to a veteran server because they have friends already playing there but... Some of them will be turned away from the veteran servers where most of the land is already occupied, the players are level 55 and have great gear. So, for those players it makes sense to offer a fresh start server. I won't be playing on a fresh start server but I can see the attraction for some new players and for Trion.

It's yet to be seen if enough players are or will be available to populate these new servers. My expectation is that there won't be enough people there to have the 'real' ArcheAge experience and these servers risk being underpopulated.

BigMac
07-11-2015, 02:31 PM
Do you have a source for this info? I didn't see that in the evolution thread.

Those two new servers aren't DIRECTLY tied to Evolution so the details might not make sense in the Evolution thread but it was covered on the LiveStream yesterday. A replay of the July 10 LiveStream can be seen here: http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds/v/7276234

Onelastchance
07-11-2015, 02:54 PM
I'm not the guy who decided there should be new servers. That's a Trion decision. Here's what I expect was their thinking behind all of this (and of course I could be totally wrong)...

After 2.0 comes out, and the transfers and migration have been completed, ArcheAge will be a very different game. It would make sense to advertize and market the game. If that marketing operation is well done, it will attract some new players to the game. Some of them may wan't to go to a veteran server because they have friends already playing there but... Some of them will be turned away from the veteran servers where most of the land is already occupied, the players are level 55 and have great gear. So, for those players it makes sense to offer a fresh start server. I won't be playing on a fresh start server but I can see the attraction for some new players and for Trion.

It's yet to be seen if enough players are or will be available to populate these new servers. My expectation is that there won't be enough people there to have the 'real' ArcheAge experience and these servers risk being underpopulated.

Oh Mac don't misunderstand I wasn't blaming you for this most recent debacle. I was just curious as to your apparent silence on a point you had so many times championed on Trion's behalf; about how it was the 'whiners' who ' forced' Trion to open new servers at headstart and launch. You seemed to revel at every opportunity telling us' 'greedy folks demanding compensation' how wrong we were and that we were 'getting what we deserved'. This just seemed like a wonderful opportunity for you to offer your sage advice to you former co-workers at Trion as to the error of their ways and save them from committing this grievous error in judgment. You could help them from making the same mistake twice so they don't end up screwing this new group of people as they are doing with those on to-be-merged servers .... Or wait will it be these new people's fault also the same way it was our fault in your view; :( hmmm I am confused on this one. Just as I am confused on how this will be attractive for Trion; unless you mean short term gain with no long term responsibility; then yes I can definitely see how they would be attracted by this. It worked well in the past so why not give it another go.

Izuno
07-11-2015, 03:19 PM
My question from MkII is still unanswered:
How long will the packaged items last?
I.e. If I kill myself after the server merge because I couldn't get my land or better locations back and be forced to go into the middle of nowhere, then come back to life a few months later, will the packaged items, chests houses and all still be with me?

oalija
07-11-2015, 03:22 PM
Please make a survey and make decisions based on the results. Make changes against customers can ruin you .

romonster
07-11-2015, 03:54 PM
Regarding server transfers: Can you allow people to transfer off of the RP servers in addition to allowing transfers onto them? Tahyang, at least, has a small and very vocal group of players who are obviously unhappy with the fact that they chose to roll on an RP server. They complain about it constantly, in spite of the fact that most of the RP is conducted privately and is not really visible to outsiders.

I am sure it would be a relief for everyone if these people were allowed to transfer to a different high-population server.

Bullshihtzu
07-11-2015, 03:56 PM
So am I reading this correctly , they are making two new servers for the mergers and another two new servers for like fresh start ect , tell me again why you ,Trion , are destroying our servers so you can make 4 new servers .
Trion really has either lost the plot or just wants to kill AA .

CalliCat
07-11-2015, 04:06 PM
So am I reading this correctly , they are making two new servers for the mergers and another two new servers for like fresh start ect , tell me again why you ,Trion , are destroying our servers so you can make 4 new servers .
Trion really has either lost the plot or just wants to kill AA .

Seriously this. I cannot grasp the reasoning behind this at all. Allow transfers to and from all servers and then reassess the populations. Why the hell do they need to open new servers and merge people who don't wanna be merged onto them and then open new fresh servers that will just end up being wastelands and merged again later. This whole thing gets more and more like some bad farce every time they update it. I still see no way this turns out well for anyone but the hackers and exploiters. Then more merges for the folks who roll on these new servers.

Akakaze
07-11-2015, 04:16 PM
Notice the lack of comments on their end. Like others have said, it's a money grab. They don't care what or how much we post. They don't care if we move on to other games. There will always be someone else to take our place, and the AA addicts will not leave no matter what AA does to them.

TheKev6969
07-11-2015, 07:03 PM
Apologies if it's been answered previously but can someone enlighten me as to what "Full Kit" means? My assumption is that anything placed/built will be in "Full Kit" mode for the transfer..as in, it will become fully built once the design is placed on the new server. The alternative is well, people with the 3,000 gilda star house lose some 300 packs, stone, lumber and iron. Thousands of gold gone and somehow I doubt this is likely? Again, I have scrolled through a handful of the pages and can't seem to find any elaborations on "Full Kit"~ halp

Yevgeni
07-11-2015, 07:21 PM
:) Wow there is sooo much wrong in this post I hardly know where to begin. First I guess a question; Are you a Trion white-knight with a brown nose or just some poor sheep that swallows the hype Trion passes for facts, cuz those are about the only possibilities I can garner from that nonsense.

You ASSume that Trion is being factual in it's assessment of the numbers involved in a quote high pop server and a low pop server, first mistake. They have not and will never offer any numbers to back up their claims and frankly at this point it would be impossible to trust any numbers they did offer up as being unbiased. The hype that some are willingly swallowing at this point is that the to-be-merged servers are dead wastelands. This is not true by ANY stretch of Anyone's imagination and that the quote high pop servers are constantly bustling along with happy folks again a HUGE misrepresentation as I have characters on some of those same servers and am never ceased to be amazed how dead they can be.
Trion can not or will not control the land-hackers to any meaningful degree. Their helplessness is no better show-cased then the pathetic claim that they some how controlled the "land rush" involved with Diamond shores and Golden Ruins. Land Rush are you frigging kidding me , stroll would be a much better term to use than rush. No one cared about the land in either of those places, so they were of little or No interest to the hacks. So if this is the best they can offer up as any kind of proof; then as has happened each time before the land will disappear quickly to these same hacks. Trusting Trion to get the setting right with the "peace" setting also will prove highly amusing as they have yet to get the timing right on a scheduled event sometimes being off by weeks :).

Sadly your claim that a carebear is no better off on a an unmerged server is just as deceptive as the rest as those carebears are NOT losing all their land as far as I know :).

I wish I felt comfortable pulling things from my ♥♥♥ and couching them as facts :) then I could say things like people being stuck on totally dead servers and "tons" of them re-rolling to Kyrios and Ollo.
If they have re-rolled as you said then they are not stuck :). Unless you mean to say that Kyrios and Ollo are as dead as they seem many times.
You have the reading comprehension level of a child of 8. Let's begin.

1)Yes, I assume Trion is being "factual" when it talks about how some servers are low population and others are high population. Do I think that Ollo and Kyrios have extremely high pop the likes we have seen only at launch? No. However, at peak hour, their numbers, compared to other servers, make them higher population. The alternative is not trusting Trion about such numbers. Let's admit we don't. Why would they lie about which server is high pop and which server is dead? First, they'd get called out fairly quickly as anybody who has ever experienced peak hour on Ollo/Kyrios and then on Calleil/Lucius can tell you that the two experiences don't even compare. But let's assume nobody calls them out. The motive is still missing. Why would they make up lies about which server is dead (and thus must go through an "evolution") and which server isn't? Unless you're some paranoid freak thinking they're going specifically after your precious server (which, I admit, is a real possibility given how some land barons on dead servers are thinking it's all a big conspiracy to remove them from their oh-so-glorious holdings), this doesn't make sense.

2)There is no hype about dead servers. The servers that have been chosen to be "merged" are dead servers. I mean, I get it, some of you are real fans of the almost single-player experience but I've went afk for hours in pvp areas on Calleil, I did single-man merchant runs to Freedich on Lucius. Servers are as dead as can be.

3)Nobody said that high population servers are "bustling with happy folks". They're high pop compared to the other ones. Not high as an absolute. Do you understand the difference?

4)I've seen tons of people complain about land hacking and yes, the release of Auroria was a disaster. Golden Ruins and Diamond Shores were much better, though, and I'm hoping that the hard cap on unbuilt buildings per account will limit the trouble. Then again, maybe it's because I've attended hundreds of demolitions to get my lands and had to spot the lands hackers wouldn't come after. As a sidenote, the land hacking problem is far, far from what it used to be.

5)Diamond Shores and Golden Ruins were a rush on high pop servers. Just goes to show that your server's a wasteland.

6)I didn't claim that a carebear is "no better off on an unmerged server". I claimed that there is no difference, to Trion, between a carebear on a dead server and a carebear on an high pop server and, as such, that contrary to what seems to be the prevalent opinion among the dozen whining babes around here who can't take losing their twenty-six connected plots, Trion isn't targeting carebears on low pop servers in specific. Trion isn't against carebears, period. Carebears tend to spend more on games like these, because they care about cosmetics a lot more so it would make no sense at all to go after carebears.

7)"if they have re-rolled, they are not stuck" is exactly the kind of mentality I'm talking about when I say that some of you big land owners (let's face it, 99% of the opposition to this move comes from land owners who can't take losing their land) don't care about the rest of your server's population, you just care about playing this damned game as if you were playing some solo farming simulator. Guys who spent months gearing their toons on your dead server want to be able to transfer. They're rerolling on Kyrios/Ollo temporarily because they want some action and it's so dead where you are.


Anybody who's surprised the evolution is happening had his head deep, deep in the sand. Many of us were saying it six, seven months ago. Because that's just how MMOs like this one go and that's what had already happened on the Korean version. It's a necessity.

Yevgeni
07-11-2015, 07:25 PM
Apologies if it's been answered previously but can someone enlighten me as to what "Full Kit" means? My assumption is that anything placed/built will be in "Full Kit" mode for the transfer..as in, it will become fully built once the design is placed on the new server. The alternative is well, people with the 3,000 gilda star house lose some 300 packs, stone, lumber and iron. Thousands of gold gone and somehow I doubt this is likely? Again, I have scrolled through a handful of the pages and can't seem to find any elaborations on "Full Kit"~ halp
That's what it means. If you have a house that's built, it'll give you a "built house" design. When you place it, it'll be insta-built.


So am I reading this correctly , they are making two new servers for the mergers and another two new servers for like fresh start ect , tell me again why you ,Trion , are destroying our servers so you can make 4 new servers .
Trion really has either lost the plot or just wants to kill AA .
They're making two "transfer" servers and one new server per region.

CalliCat
07-11-2015, 08:00 PM
You have the reading comprehension level of a child of 8. Let's begin.

1)Yes, I assume Trion is being "factual" when it talks about how some servers are low population and others are high population. Do I think that Ollo and Kyrios have extremely high pop the likes we have seen only at launch? No. However, at peak hour, their numbers, compared to other servers, make them higher population. The alternative is not trusting Trion about such numbers. Let's admit we don't. Why would they lie about which server is high pop and which server is dead? First, they'd get called out fairly quickly as anybody who has ever experienced peak hour on Ollo/Kyrios and then on Calleil/Lucius can tell you that the two experiences don't even compare. But let's assume nobody calls them out. The motive is still missing. Why would they make up lies about which server is dead (and thus must go through an "evolution") and which server isn't? Unless you're some paranoid freak thinking they're going specifically after your precious server (which, I admit, is a real possibility given how some land barons on dead servers are thinking it's all a big conspiracy to remove them from their oh-so-glorious holdings), this doesn't make sense.

2)There is no hype about dead servers. The servers that have been chosen to be "merged" are dead servers. I mean, I get it, some of you are real fans of the almost single-player experience but I've went afk for hours in pvp areas on Calleil, I did single-man merchant runs to Freedich on Lucius. Servers are as dead as can be.

3)Nobody said that high population servers are "bustling with happy folks". They're high pop compared to the other ones. Not high as an absolute. Do you understand the difference?

4)I've seen tons of people complain about land hacking and yes, the release of Auroria was a disaster. Golden Ruins and Diamond Shores were much better, though, and I'm hoping that the hard cap on unbuilt buildings per account will limit the trouble. Then again, maybe it's because I've attended hundreds of demolitions to get my lands and had to spot the lands hackers wouldn't come after. As a sidenote, the land hacking problem is far, far from what it used to be.

5)Diamond Shores and Golden Ruins were a rush on high pop servers. Just goes to show that your server's a wasteland.

6)I didn't claim that a carebear is "no better off on an unmerged server". I claimed that there is no difference, to Trion, between a carebear on a dead server and a carebear on an high pop server and, as such, that contrary to what seems to be the prevalent opinion among the dozen whining babes around here who can't take losing their twenty-six connected plots, Trion isn't targeting carebears on low pop servers in specific. Trion isn't against carebears, period. Carebears tend to spend more on games like these, because they care about cosmetics a lot more so it would make no sense at all to go after carebears.

7)"if they have re-rolled, they are not stuck" is exactly the kind of mentality I'm talking about when I say that some of you big land owners (let's face it, 99% of the opposition to this move comes from land owners who can't take losing their land) don't care about the rest of your server's population, you just care about playing this damned game as if you were playing some solo farming simulator. Guys who spent months gearing their toons on your dead server want to be able to transfer. They're rerolling on Kyrios/Ollo temporarily because they want some action and it's so dead where you are.


Anybody who's surprised the evolution is happening had his head deep, deep in the sand. Many of us were saying it six, seven months ago. Because that's just how MMOs like this one go and that's what had already happened on the Korean version. It's a necessity.

You make a lot of assumptions about why people are upset. It is a matter of trust. They lied to our faces and said directly on MULTIPLE occasions that they were not merging servers. They gave us a false sense of security to keep us spending when they in fact knew they were lying. So let us not pretend that people are not mistrustful of trion for a reason. The reasons are vast. They go far beyond the lies about the server merges. They have lied to us on so many issues that it is a wonder anyone believes anything they say anymore. So stop acting like those of us who are pissed off have no reason to be. No one is against allowing people to transfer to other servers. We are against our progress being arbitrarily removed because we are apparently of less value to them than their "invested high pop players".

It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ no matter how you look at it. I have spent quite a bit on this game for the crafting and land aspect of it. Sure I go do pvp now and then but it is not why I play and it is not what I care about. However I am told by trion and people like yourself that its too ♥♥♥♥ing bad if I want to play for something else because my progress that I focused on was land and crafting. Too ♥♥♥♥ing bad if I spent money to further those goals all that matters is that the pvpers get to keep their progression and their gear and ♥♥♥♥ the rest of us right?

Don't come in here and pretend we have no right to be angry. WE SPENT OUR MONEY TO PROGRESS OUR WAY and now we are told to basically ♥♥♥♥ off and good luck getting it back. Trions lies and mismanagement and bad decisions are the cause of the problems this game has not the people who did nothing more than roll on the servers trion sent them to and now are basically being told tough ♥♥♥♥. So please lets not pretend we are the problem. WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE GOOD REASON TO BE ANGRY.

Bullshihtzu
07-11-2015, 08:25 PM
That's what it means. If you have a house that's built, it'll give you a "built house" design. When you place it, it'll be insta-built.


They're making two "transfer" servers and one new server per region.

That would be...... 2 plus 1 plus 1 = 4 like I said , string it out how ever you like it still makes zero sence .

Bullshihtzu
07-11-2015, 08:31 PM
You make a lot of assumptions about why people are upset. It is a matter of trust. They lied to our faces and said directly on MULTIPLE occasions that they were not merging servers. They gave us a false sense of security to keep us spending when they in fact knew they were lying. So let us not pretend that people are not mistrustful of trion for a reason. The reasons are vast. They go far beyond the lies about the server merges. They have lied to us on so many issues that it is a wonder anyone believes anything they say anymore. So stop acting like those of us who are pissed off have no reason to be. No one is against allowing people to transfer to other servers. We are against our progress being arbitrarily removed because we are apparently of less value to them than their "invested high pop players".

It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ no matter how you look at it. I have spent quite a bit on this game for the crafting and land aspect of it. Sure I go do pvp now and then but it is not why I play and it is not what I care about. However I am told by trion and people like yourself that its too ♥♥♥♥ing bad if I want to play for something else because my progress that I focused on was land and crafting. Too ♥♥♥♥ing bad if I spent money to further those goals all that matters is that the pvpers get to keep their progression and their gear and ♥♥♥♥ the rest of us right?

Don't come in here and pretend we have no right to be angry. WE SPENT OUR MONEY TO PROGRESS OUR WAY and now we are told to basically ♥♥♥♥ off and good luck getting it back. Trions lies and mismanagement and bad decisions are the cause of the problems this game has not the people who did nothing more than roll on the servers trion sent them to and now are basically being told tough ♥♥♥♥. So please lets not pretend we are the problem. WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE GOOD REASON TO BE ANGRY.

I Totally agree , will Trion do the right thing or will they end up having their own Starwars NGE , I'm betting NGE but I still hope they'll lift their game .

Onelastchance
07-11-2015, 08:33 PM
You have the reading comprehension level of a child of 8. Let's begin.

1)Yes, I assume Trion is being "factual" when it talks about how some servers are low population and others are high population. Do I think that Ollo and Kyrios have extremely high pop the likes we have seen only at launch? No. However, at peak hour, their numbers, compared to other servers, make them higher population. The alternative is not trusting Trion about such numbers. Let's admit we don't. Why would they lie about which server is high pop and which server is dead? First, they'd get called out fairly quickly as anybody who has ever experienced peak hour on Ollo/Kyrios and then on Calleil/Lucius can tell you that the two experiences don't even compare. But let's assume nobody calls them out. The motive is still missing. Why would they make up lies about which server is dead (and thus must go through an "evolution") and which server isn't? Unless you're some paranoid freak thinking they're going specifically after your precious server (which, I admit, is a real possibility given how some land barons on dead servers are thinking it's all a big conspiracy to remove them from their oh-so-glorious holdings), this doesn't make sense.

2)There is no hype about dead servers. The servers that have been chosen to be "merged" are dead servers. I mean, I get it, some of you are real fans of the almost single-player experience but I've went afk for hours in pvp areas on Calleil, I did single-man merchant runs to Freedich on Lucius. Servers are as dead as can be.

3)Nobody said that high population servers are "bustling with happy folks". They're high pop compared to the other ones. Not high as an absolute. Do you understand the difference?

4)I've seen tons of people complain about land hacking and yes, the release of Auroria was a disaster. Golden Ruins and Diamond Shores were much better, though, and I'm hoping that the hard cap on unbuilt buildings per account will limit the trouble. Then again, maybe it's because I've attended hundreds of demolitions to get my lands and had to spot the lands hackers wouldn't come after. As a sidenote, the land hacking problem is far, far from what it used to be.

5)Diamond Shores and Golden Ruins were a rush on high pop servers. Just goes to show that your server's a wasteland.

6)I didn't claim that a carebear is "no better off on an unmerged server". I claimed that there is no difference, to Trion, between a carebear on a dead server and a carebear on an high pop server and, as such, that contrary to what seems to be the prevalent opinion among the dozen whining babes around here who can't take losing their twenty-six connected plots, Trion isn't targeting carebears on low pop servers in specific. Trion isn't against carebears, period. Carebears tend to spend more on games like these, because they care about cosmetics a lot more so it would make no sense at all to go after carebears.

7)"if they have re-rolled, they are not stuck" is exactly the kind of mentality I'm talking about when I say that some of you big land owners (let's face it, 99% of the opposition to this move comes from land owners who can't take losing their land) don't care about the rest of your server's population, you just care about playing this damned game as if you were playing some solo farming simulator. Guys who spent months gearing their toons on your dead server want to be able to transfer. They're rerolling on Kyrios/Ollo temporarily because they want some action and it's so dead where you are.


Anybody who's surprised the evolution is happening had his head deep, deep in the sand. Many of us were saying it six, seven months ago. Because that's just how MMOs like this one go and that's what had already happened on the Korean version. It's a necessity.


So it is my reading comprehension and not that fact you made several blanket, unsubstantiated statements based solely on your opinion and though very poorly fleshed-out I was supposed to read between the lines to "see the truth" Hahahah oookay

Why would Trion lie ... about anything ? well let's just say the reasons are legion and assume it is cost-cutting which it must do to divert money from AA to ohh perhaps Devillian :) just as it has been trying to kill Defiance for the last year, to year and half to divert money to Trove and AA and now I suppose Devillian. They must be so worried the show will get picked up for a fourth season because then they will have to continue even the token effort they have been making on the game :)

So honestly, you are comparing the 'land rush '( on ANY server) for the miniscule amount of basically worthless land in Diamond Shores and Golden Ruins to what most reasonable people are thinking about when they imagine the land rush at the opening of a new server or remembering from headstart , launch and Auroria ? Could it be possible that land-hacking is under control :) or at least you don't see it much is because with open land on every server there is little point to hack ? No market no hackers.
Just these two points should clearly illustrate why I can't really take anything you say seriously. Truth and facts are not the same thing. I know this is a really difficult concept for a lot of people but just believing something and even wishing for it reeeeally really hard does not make it fact.

Finally
You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct? ; not your unicorn-like land barons but everyone who has worked hard to get their land. Therefore it does make sense to almost, Anyone, even that child of eight that they would be mainly in opposition to this merger. The depth of your insight is staggering ;)

I do not and have never pretended to know all the facts about what is going on with Trion I am just speaking from my -sigh- years of experience with them to suppose. You started your first post on this with "People who complain about how Trion has ruined your experience, I don't get it."
This is the clearest and most obvious statement you made and you most likely never will 'get it' so then why do you feel it necessary to tell people they should be happy with the polished turd Trion is offering ?

p.s. you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy ;) you might want to talk to a trained professional about it.

Yevgeni
07-11-2015, 09:35 PM
You make a lot of assumptions about why people are upset. It is a matter of trust. They lied to our faces and said directly on MULTIPLE occasions that they were not merging servers. They gave us a false sense of security to keep us spending when they in fact knew they were lying. So let us not pretend that people are not mistrustful of trion for a reason. The reasons are vast. They go far beyond the lies about the server merges. They have lied to us on so many issues that it is a wonder anyone believes anything they say anymore. So stop acting like those of us who are pissed off have no reason to be. No one is against allowing people to transfer to other servers. We are against our progress being arbitrarily removed because we are apparently of less value to them than their "invested high pop players".

It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ no matter how you look at it. I have spent quite a bit on this game for the crafting and land aspect of it. Sure I go do pvp now and then but it is not why I play and it is not what I care about. However I am told by trion and people like yourself that its too ♥♥♥♥ing bad if I want to play for something else because my progress that I focused on was land and crafting. Too ♥♥♥♥ing bad if I spent money to further those goals all that matters is that the pvpers get to keep their progression and their gear and ♥♥♥♥ the rest of us right?

Don't come in here and pretend we have no right to be angry. WE SPENT OUR MONEY TO PROGRESS OUR WAY and now we are told to basically ♥♥♥♥ off and good luck getting it back. Trions lies and mismanagement and bad decisions are the cause of the problems this game has not the people who did nothing more than roll on the servers trion sent them to and now are basically being told tough ♥♥♥♥. So please lets not pretend we are the problem. WE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. WE HAVE GOOD REASON TO BE ANGRY.
Sincerely, I'm a bit dismayed that players thought there would never be any mergers. Common sense dictates there has to be mergers at one point or another. Every MMO with multiple servers go through that kind of process. Hell, all MMOs end up dying one day or another.

Personally - and I'm re-reading their statements on the subject - I've always understood their point of view as "we have no plans to do merges now" and not "we will never merge servers" (which is a promise they never made, indeed). When asked, back then, if mergers were coming, they did say it wasn't in their plans. I think an 8 months notice is more than acceptable for such a move, to be quite honest, and don't think they came back on their word at all.


That would be...... 2 plus 1 plus 1 = 4 like I said , string it out how ever you like it still makes zero sence .
Uh, no, it doesn't.

Either you consider it to be six new servers or you go with three. Four doesn't make any sense.

They're opening two "evolution servers" per region (2 NA, 2 EU) and one brand new server per region (1 NA, 1 EU). So 3 "new" EU servers and 3 "new" NA servers.


So it is my reading comprehension and not that fact you made several blanket, unsubstantiated statements based solely on your opinion and though very poorly fleshed-out I was supposed to read between the lines to "see the truth" Hahahah oookay

You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct not your unicorn-like land barons but everyone who has worked hard to get their land. Therefore it does make sense to almost Anyone even that child of eight that they would be mainly in opposition to this merger. The depth of your insight is staggering ;)
Oh, spare me the fable of the poor lonesome farmer who has toiled so hard to finally get a single plot of land and now he is about to lose it all. Most of y'all have a lot more than one piece of land. The people who are angry are the people who are afraid that, come the "evolution", they won't be able to get their twenty connected plots. Because, mathematically, you're right to be afraid. There's only so much land and every other dead server has a few more land barons. That mystical guy with a single plot of land has actually very little to fear. It'll be a lot easier for him to get back that 16x16 or heck even 24x24 than it'll be for others to get all their connected plots.

I'm sorry you're the big losers of this move, but it's a necessity for the future of the game as servers like yours are bleeding members and these transfers + new server will reinvigorate the game, if only temporarily. Then, six to twelve months down the line, we'll be back for another cut.


p.s. you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy you might want to talk to a trained professional about it.
Yes. Amusingly, I'm one of them. I used to own more than half a lodestone on Calleil. I just think you're complaining for no reason, as land isn't that hard to come by and this move was predictable.

CalliCat
07-11-2015, 09:58 PM
Oh, spare me the fable of the poor lonesome farmer who has toiled so hard to finally get a single plot of land and now he is about to lose it all. Most of y'all have a lot more than one piece of land. The people who are angry are the people who are afraid that, come the "evolution", they won't be able to get their twenty connected plots. Because, mathematically, you're right to be afraid. There's only so much land and every other dead server has a few more land barons. That mystical guy with a single plot of land has actually very little to fear. It'll be a lot easier for him to get back that 16x16 or heck even 24x24 than it'll be for others to get all their connected plots.

I'm sorry you're the big losers of this move, but it's a necessity for the future of the game as servers like yours are bleeding members and these transfers + new server will reinvigorate the game, if only temporarily. Then, six to twelve months down the line, we'll be back for another cut.


Yes. Amusingly, I'm one of them. I used to own more than half a lodestone on Calleil. I just think you're complaining for no reason, as land isn't that hard to come by and this move was predictable.

You're right many of us do have more than 1 piece of land. However I have a lot less than 20. It took me 6 ♥♥♥♥ing months to get a 16 next to my thatched and I had to pay a small fortune for it when I finally managed to find someone willing to sell one to me. I have spent a ton of gold and credits to get my land together in Gweonid and a ♥♥♥♥load of time went into making that gold because I am not a credit card warrior. I worked my ♥♥♥ off in game for most of it. Don't act like our land does not amount to a huge investment of time and money. Yes I also spent actual money on land expansions and tax certs and appraisal certs as well as the mountains of gold and time invested to get the land most of which I had to buy from hackers who trion still cannot ♥♥♥♥ing control. You are frankly wrong when you say land is not hard to come by. Land is not equal in value. Some land is very ♥♥♥♥ing hard to come by. I know how hard it was to get mine in strategic and advantageous locations like Gweonid and Halcyona. Don't pretend that Auroria land is anywhere near as desirable as what I stand to lose with this ♥♥♥♥ decision. Saying you owned half of a lodestone means nothing because that land is not half as desirable as the land I stand to lose.

Scapes exact quote "None of our servers are being merged. While we want to offer the ability to transfer servers, the service has been requested of XLGAMES but is not yet available. " please tell me where the maybe is in that statement or the could happen later etc is. That right there is a direct and very clear NO statement.

Onelastchance
07-11-2015, 10:12 PM
Sincerely, I'm a bit dismayed that players thought there would never be any mergers. Common sense dictates there has to be mergers at one point or another. Every MMO with multiple servers go through that kind of process. Hell, all MMOs end up dying one day or another.

Personally - and I'm re-reading their statements on the subject - I've always understood their point of view as "we have no plans to do merges now" and not "we will never merge servers" (which is a promise they never made, indeed). When asked, back then, if mergers were coming, they did say it wasn't in their plans. I think an 8 months notice is more than acceptable for such a move, to be quite honest, and don't think they came back on their word at all.


Uh, no, it doesn't.

Either you consider it to be six new servers or you go with three. Four doesn't make any sense.

They're opening two "evolution servers" per region (2 NA, 2 EU) and one brand new server per region (1 NA, 1 EU). So 3 "new" EU servers and 3 "new" NA servers.


Oh, spare me the fable of the poor lonesome farmer who has toiled so hard to finally get a single plot of land and now he is about to lose it all. Most of y'all have a lot more than one piece of land. The people who are angry are the people who are afraid that, come the "evolution", they won't be able to get their twenty connected plots. Because, mathematically, you're right to be afraid. There's only so much land and every other dead server has a few more land barons. That mystical guy with a single plot of land has actually very little to fear. It'll be a lot easier for him to get back that 16x16 or heck even 24x24 than it'll be for others to get all their connected plots.

I'm sorry you're the big losers of this move, but it's a necessity for the future of the game as servers like yours are bleeding members and these transfers + new server will reinvigorate the game, if only temporarily. Then, six to twelve months down the line, we'll be back for another cut.


Yes. Amusingly, I'm one of them. I used to own more than half a lodestone on Calleil. I just think you're complaining for no reason, as land isn't that hard to come by and this move was predictable.

Sooo is this where I should make some snide comment about reading comprehension as you did :) cuz you came up with some stuff I Never came close to saying. :) :) But that is beside the point because I am really happy you have made some good progress here. You really do 'get' why we are angry .. You just don't agree with it ;). Sooo therefore with your expertise as a re-formed land baron what ? We are just wrong, to be upset ? I do now get your obsession with the 23 connected plots tho :) it is called 'projection' . You think everyone is just like you :) no need to say more.

Hallelujah I do see the 'truth' now we should all do what's best for the game and not complain and keep supporting it for another 6 to 12 months ( or wait what's the e.t.a on Devillian again? ; cuz we will need to keep money coming in for it till we can get it's own cash shop up and going ? 6 to 12 months maybe or somewhere close ;) )

Yevgeni
07-11-2015, 10:17 PM
Scapes exact quote "None of our servers are being merged. While we want to offer the ability to transfer servers, the service has been requested of XLGAMES but is not yet available. " please tell me where the maybe is in that statement or the could happen later etc is. That right there is a direct and very clear NO statement.
The later part is implied. His statement is not a definitive, permanent no. He was asked: "hey, as of now, are mergers going to happen" and he replied that "no, as of today, we have no plans to do so".

Obviously, plans have changed and they're letting us know with ample notice (I mean, 8 months guys, that's almost unheard of in the world of MMOs).

Onelastchance
07-11-2015, 10:27 PM
The later part is implied. His statement is not a definitive, permanent no. He was asked: "hey, as of now, are mergers going to happen" and he replied that "no, as of today, we have no plans to do so".

Obviously, plans have changed and they're letting us know with ample notice (I mean, 8 months guys, that's almost unheard of in the world of MMOs).

Ohhhhh goody it is the read between the lines stuff again *yay* :( . And of course we are to blame for not doing It and doing it .... 'correctly ' ?
ummm
Wait that doesn't make any sense :( . Ohhh right but that is only in the real world where it doesn't make sense, not Trion world :(.
8 months ? Do you mean they have almost tanked the game in 8 months or 8 months till merge cuz there aren't 8 months till quarter 4 and considering we were supposed to have a months notice before headstart and got 16 days; sooo trust there is not really reasonable :(.
See, there I go again using real world logic and not Trion logic. If I just did that this would all make sense I am sure.

CalliCat
07-11-2015, 10:37 PM
The later part is implied. His statement is not a definitive, permanent no. He was asked: "hey, as of now, are mergers going to happen" and he replied that "no, as of today, we have no plans to do so".

Obviously, plans have changed and they're letting us know with ample notice (I mean, 8 months guys, that's almost unheard of in the world of MMOs).

Implied my ♥♥♥. No where in that statement is anything implied other than they are working on transfers. Now you're just making stuff up.

Yevgeni
07-11-2015, 10:42 PM
Implied my ♥♥♥. No where in that statement is anything implied other than they are working on transfers. Now you're just making stuff up.
I'm not making stuff up.

You ask your wife if she plans on cooking steak? She replies "no, I don't".

Three days later, she informs you she'll be cooking steak tonight. Did she lie? No.

Questions like that are time relative. They had no plans to merge servers back then, now they do. Had he said "we will never merge servers", it'd be another thing entirely. But Trion never said that.

Bullshihtzu
07-11-2015, 11:13 PM
I'm not making stuff up.

You ask your wife if she plans on cooking steak? She replies "no, I don't".

Three days later, she informs you she'll be cooking steak tonight. Did she lie? No.

Questions like that are time relative. They had no plans to merge servers back then, now they do. Had he said "we will never merge servers", it'd be another thing entirely. But Trion never said that.

This guy is a Troll , please don't feed the troll .

CalliCat
07-11-2015, 11:17 PM
I'm not making stuff up.

You ask your wife if she plans on cooking steak? She replies "no, I don't".

Three days later, she informs you she'll be cooking steak tonight. Did she lie? No.

Questions like that are time relative. They had no plans to merge servers back then, now they do. Had he said "we will never merge servers", it'd be another thing entirely. But Trion never said that.

Ok clearly you're just being obtuse for the sake of it.

MIGhunter
07-11-2015, 11:35 PM
Honestly, I agree with Yevgeni. You guys are reading what you want to read. There was no comment about never in that sentence. If my wife asks me if I'm going to get gas and I say no, does that mean I'll never put gas in my car again? Of course not.

Yevgeni
07-11-2015, 11:38 PM
Ok clearly you're just being obtuse for the sake of it.
I'm not. The two statements in your signature are these:

Scapes, in December 2014:
"None of our servers are being merged. While we want to offer the ability to transfer servers, the service has been requested of XLGAMES but is not yet available."

Scapes, in April 2015:
"We have no plans to merge servers."

Do you see any definitive statement? Anything that remotely involves the words "never" or at least a timeframe?

He's being asked if, right now, they have any plans on bringing mergers forward. And in both cases, it wasn't in the works. Game's population was quite viable back in Dec 2014 and April 2015 was when they expected a good pop. rebound following 1.7.

Sincerely, the day this game was launched, the Korean version had already gone through this exact same merger process. I'm baffled that you people are surprised or feel cheated.

The consolidation process is a necessity. It occurs on virtually every MMO.

Roysy
07-11-2015, 11:40 PM
Firstly, I raised the possibility of world transfer prior to the merge and Trion clearly did listen and I thank them for that. Secondly, I realise and referred to it in my old threads; this is a financial decision and is therefore going to happen, so complaining about it will hold no mileage. I do have two questions for consideration and apologise if they have already been raised, I scanned the previous posts only to catch up on where we are and may have missed them.

1. Could a pre-merge world transfer include the same packed housing as the merger enabling those voluntary transfers to be able to survive the new world more easily as compensation.

2. I am confused of the need for a new server for each region, surely this defeats the financial objective. Unfortunately this development threatens the very survival of the newly merged servers.

Thank you in anticipation of a prompt response.

Kitwyn
07-11-2015, 11:52 PM
You have the reading comprehension level of a child of 8. Let's begin.

1)Yes, I assume Trion is being "factual" when it talks about how some servers are low population and others are high population. Do I think that Ollo and Kyrios have extremely high pop the likes we have seen only at launch? No. However, at peak hour, their numbers, compared to other servers, make them higher population. The alternative is not trusting Trion about such numbers. Let's admit we don't. Why would they lie about which server is high pop and which server is dead? First, they'd get called out fairly quickly as anybody who has ever experienced peak hour on Ollo/Kyrios and then on Calleil/Lucius can tell you that the two experiences don't even compare. But let's assume nobody calls them out. The motive is still missing. Why would they make up lies about which server is dead (and thus must go through an "evolution") and which server isn't? Unless you're some paranoid freak thinking they're going specifically after your precious server (which, I admit, is a real possibility given how some land barons on dead servers are thinking it's all a big conspiracy to remove them from their oh-so-glorious holdings), this doesn't make sense.

2)There is no hype about dead servers. The servers that have been chosen to be "merged" are dead servers. I mean, I get it, some of you are real fans of the almost single-player experience but I've went afk for hours in pvp areas on Calleil, I did single-man merchant runs to Freedich on Lucius. Servers are as dead as can be.

3)Nobody said that high population servers are "bustling with happy folks". They're high pop compared to the other ones. Not high as an absolute. Do you understand the difference?

4)I've seen tons of people complain about land hacking and yes, the release of Auroria was a disaster. Golden Ruins and Diamond Shores were much better, though, and I'm hoping that the hard cap on unbuilt buildings per account will limit the trouble. Then again, maybe it's because I've attended hundreds of demolitions to get my lands and had to spot the lands hackers wouldn't come after. As a sidenote, the land hacking problem is far, far from what it used to be.

5)Diamond Shores and Golden Ruins were a rush on high pop servers. Just goes to show that your server's a wasteland.

6)I didn't claim that a carebear is "no better off on an unmerged server". I claimed that there is no difference, to Trion, between a carebear on a dead server and a carebear on an high pop server and, as such, that contrary to what seems to be the prevalent opinion among the dozen whining babes around here who can't take losing their twenty-six connected plots, Trion isn't targeting carebears on low pop servers in specific. Trion isn't against carebears, period. Carebears tend to spend more on games like these, because they care about cosmetics a lot more so it would make no sense at all to go after carebears.

7)"if they have re-rolled, they are not stuck" is exactly the kind of mentality I'm talking about when I say that some of you big land owners (let's face it, 99% of the opposition to this move comes from land owners who can't take losing their land) don't care about the rest of your server's population, you just care about playing this damned game as if you were playing some solo farming simulator. Guys who spent months gearing their toons on your dead server want to be able to transfer. They're rerolling on Kyrios/Ollo temporarily because they want some action and it's so dead where you are.


Anybody who's surprised the evolution is happening had his head deep, deep in the sand. Many of us were saying it six, seven months ago. Because that's just how MMOs like this one go and that's what had already happened on the Korean version. It's a necessity.

Wow you do go on and on and on. Let's make this short and not so sweet

Point 1) You are assuming Trion really-hard is being factual. Why? Because the alternative is not trusting them. OK They would get called out. They did.

Point 2)The servers that have been chosen to be merged( I left out the cutesy quotation marks) are dead servers. Give me numbers not just your opinion.

Point 3) Again, where are the figures?

Point 4) The land hacking is far, far from what it used to be. That is because Trion Brassy has renamed it enterprising.

Point 5) You might want to re-think that statement, others from high pop servers seem to disagree.

Point 6) So you think we are babes, I'd be flattered if anyone still used that term. No, carebears don't spend they create. Which leads to....

Point 7) Guys who spent months(and way more money than they should have)gearing. There, you actually do know where the corporations money comes from, you were just pretending that you thought it was carebears. Land owners who are losing their land should care about the lazer tag people but gee shouldn't they also care about us?

Final comment) Because something has happened elsewhere does not make it a necessity.

CalliCat
07-11-2015, 11:54 PM
I'm not. The two statements in your signature are these:

Scapes, in December 2014:
"None of our servers are being merged. While we want to offer the ability to transfer servers, the service has been requested of XLGAMES but is not yet available."

Scapes, in April 2015:
"We have no plans to merge servers."

Do you see any definitive statement? Anything that remotely involves the words "never" or at least a timeframe?

He's being asked if, right now, they have any plans on bringing mergers forward. And in both cases, it wasn't in the works. Game's population was quite viable back in Dec 2014 and April 2015 was when they expected a good pop. rebound following 1.7.

Sincerely, the day this game was launched, the Korean version had already gone through this exact same merger process. I'm baffled that you people are surprised or feel cheated.

The consolidation process is a necessity. It occurs on virtually every MMO.

Every MMO does not offer you a persistent virtual world where you can own a piece of it. Stop pretending AA is like every other mmo. Stop acting like it's ok to take our money and and then say tough ♥♥♥♥ when it suits them because it is not. That is the bottom line. You are completely convinced that you are the only one whos opinion is correct here so I will leave you to it.

Kitwyn
07-12-2015, 12:04 AM
Honestly, I agree with Yevgeni. You guys are reading what you want to read. There was no comment about never in that sentence. If my wife asks me if I'm going to get gas and I say no, does that mean I'll never put gas in my car again? Of course not.

So you are getting gas because Yevgeni's wife is cooking steak. ? That's a shame.

Onelastchance
07-12-2015, 12:07 AM
I'm not making stuff up.

You ask your wife if she plans on cooking steak? She replies "no, I don't".

Three days later, she informs you she'll be cooking steak tonight. Did she lie? No.

Questions like that are time relative. They had no plans to merge servers back then, now they do. Had he said "we will never merge servers", it'd be another thing entirely. But Trion never said that.


Honestly, I agree with Yevgeni. You guys are reading what you want to read. There was no comment about never in that sentence. If my wife asks me if I'm going to get gas and I say no, does that mean I'll never put gas in my car again? Of course not.

Ohh my lord , the hilarious thing here is that it seems you both think that these, ( ummm I can't even use the word examples here without laughing out loud) are somehow topical, relevant, or appropriate in any way, shape, or form to this discussion :) . But I am sure that the folks at Trion would agree with you whole-heartedly and thank you for your support ;) keep up the good, ( umm wait strike that); well keep up the work.

DjinniGenie
07-12-2015, 12:09 AM
I've been holding on to my properties while waiting for something from Trion that makes me feel they understand how upset we are about losing our land. What do we get? Nothing. I have less than a month on my subscription and it isn't set to renew. SWTOR is getting money now instead of Trion.

Whenever I login to AA, it just makes me angry and upset. I don't login much anymore. If we are given some incentive to stay, I will pay for at least another month on my household's accounts to keep my land, so that I can get it in a full kit for MERGING. If we continue to hear very little and are offered nothing to make up for the loss of our land, I will not be back.

maxwell
07-12-2015, 12:13 AM
why adding new servers that are seperated in auction ? what is their purpose ??
are they pvp only ?
or is it another server for us to go spend time and effort then get "evolved" due to low pop later ? :confused:

and the 1time free transfer , is it time limited ?
lets say someone like me who has quit the game ever since this news were posted , i MIGHT go back and play from zero in another region or another server.
if the transfer is time limited those who are away might lose it and then they have to pay for transfer ? or is it a 1time free transfer without time limit so upon loging in first time after "evolution" player gets to do the free transfer thing ?

maxwell
07-12-2015, 12:17 AM
I've been holding on to my properties while waiting for something from Trion that makes me feel they understand how upset we are about losing our land. What do we get? Nothing. I have less than a month on my subscription and it isn't set to renew. SWTOR is getting money now instead of Trion.

Whenever I login to AA, it just makes me angry and upset. I don't login much anymore. If we are given some incentive to stay, I will pay for at least another month on my household's accounts to keep my land, so that I can get it in a full kit for MERGING. If we continue to hear very little and are offered nothing to make up for the loss of our land, I will not be back.

what a loyal player
i just LEFT my 4 farms that i had bought with gold or apex and they were all connected to eachother .
i just left them and never logged in ever since this news were posted
I STILL LOVE AA its one of the games ive been waiting for years even before its creation

Kitwyn
07-12-2015, 01:47 AM
Since some people are having a hard time forming pertinent examples, I think we should help them. I think it would be fun to do it as a MADLIB using phrases from the FAQ.

You ask your wife if she cheating on you. She says no cheating. A few days later she says she is not cheating on you the marriage is ----------
She has to be intentionally vague because it ------
She wishes she could tell you but she doesn’t want her------------- lover to think he might be--------
And yes that means ------
------------is a good thing. There is a chance that you will end up with ---------


Embarking on an evolution
Is subject to change
Invested
Forced off of their server
Land rush
Evolution
More/better

I bet others can do it much better

MIGhunter
07-12-2015, 02:05 AM
Except you guys are saying that they said there wouldn't be mergers. Nobody ever said they weren't ever going to be mergers. You are arguing about semantics.

Does it suck? Yes. Does that mean it will suck forever? Who knows.

You have two choices.

1. Suck it up and keep playing !
2. Quit and find something else to do.

Skyforge looks cool. Blade and soul is coming. Ppl like Arc. There are plenty of games out there. Either you like AA enough to keep playing or you move on. Pretty simple to me.

CalliCat
07-12-2015, 02:13 AM
Except you guys are saying that they said there wouldn't be mergers. Nobody ever said they weren't ever going to be mergers. You are arguing about semantics.

Does it suck? Yes. Does that mean it will suck forever? Who knows.

You have two choices.

1. Suck it up and keep playing !
2. Quit and find something else to do.

Skyforge looks cool. Blade and soul is coming. Ppl like Arc. There are plenty of games out there. Either you like AA enough to keep playing or you move on. Pretty simple to me.

Moving on is what I will be doing and I will be sure to discourage every person I know from spending a dime on trion games in the future. There is no excuse for the way they have handled this or treated their customers who have invested a lot of money and time into this game.

Hey good luck with the mergolution though. Enjoy the next one that comes a few months later while they milk you until your udders bleed for every last dime then ship you off to the slaughterhouse when you can't be milked anymore.

MIGhunter
07-12-2015, 02:35 AM
Moving on is what I will be doing and I will be sure to discourage every person I know from spending a dime on trion games in the future. There is no excuse for the way they have handled this or treated their customers who have invested a lot of money and time into this game.

Hey good luck with the mergolution though. Enjoy the next one that comes a few months later while they milk you until your udders bleed for every last dime then ship you off to the slaughterhouse when you can't be milked anymore.

Why put off till tomorrow what you can do today?

Don't understand why people complain about something and say they are leaving as soon as it happens. I bet half the people don't quit like they say they will. I applaud the ones who said they aren't taking it and quit that instant.

Onelastchance
07-12-2015, 02:43 AM
Except you guys are saying that they said there wouldn't be mergers. Nobody ever said they weren't ever going to be mergers. You are arguing about semantics.

Does it suck? Yes. Does that mean it will suck forever? Who knows.

You have two choices.

1. Suck it up and keep playing !
2. Quit and find something else to do.

Skyforge looks cool. Blade and soul is coming. Ppl like Arc. There are plenty of games out there. Either you like AA enough to keep playing or you move on. Pretty simple to me.

Brasse ? is that you :) ? naw I kid, but I see you are using the same incorrect, dumbed-down, short attention-span, internet definition of the word semantics that she does. Where-in any word or phrase can mean anything the user chooses it to mean depending on the way they are feeling that day. It is not the real definition of the linguistic study of semantics.

This is about integrity or a company's lack-there-of.
This is about being loyal to your paying customers ..or not.

You also forgot to say "in my opinion you have two choices" :) .

Thanks a bunch but I will go with option three ;)

CalliCat
07-12-2015, 02:54 AM
Why put off till tomorrow what you can do today?

Don't understand why people complain about something and say they are leaving as soon as it happens. I bet half the people don't quit like they say they will. I applaud the ones who said they aren't taking it and quit that instant.

Why? Because I have time already paid for that they aren't gonna refund. You see I believed scapes when he said they would not merge the servers so I bought a multiple months sub. Silly me. Why shouldn't I try to get my monies worth out of the money I already spent.

BigMac
07-12-2015, 04:20 AM
It's quite understandable that many players are very upset over the decision to merge some servers after having been led to believe that Trion would never ever merge servers. Those players have every right to tell Trion that they are upset. But... Do the same few players have to tell Trion that several times per day for weeks? Apparently some do think so. If it bothers other players to hear these same complaints day after day, those players can either not read these threads or put some annoying posters on their ignore list.

TLDR: If you don't want to hear complaints, don't hang out on these forums.

CalliCat
07-12-2015, 04:31 AM
It's quite understandable that many players are very upset over the decision to merge some servers after having been led to believe that Trion would never ever merge servers. Those players have every right to tell Trion that they are upset. But... Do the same few players have to tell Trion that several times per day for weeks? Apparently some do think so. If it bothers other players to hear these same complaints day after day, those players can either not read these threads or put some annoying posters on their ignore list.

TLDR: If you don't want to hear complaints, don't hang out on these forums.

Yes we do because venting is cathartic and silence is considered acceptance around here so expect me to never shut up until the day I walk away. Anyone who doesn't want to read what I have to say can feel free to ignore me. Go ahead I don't mind.

Maya4
07-12-2015, 08:00 AM
Still no answer to my question.

I have over 40 beehives on Enla. This is a lot of gold spend on them.
What happens to them?

Discoteka
07-12-2015, 08:06 AM
I have been following this because I care about the players still affected. You see, my husband and I already cancelled our patron. Those of you sticking it out, I applaud you. This game is amazing and had so much potential. With so many other games out there, we just couldn't justify giving Trion any more of our money. The reasons behind it are vast, but the merge was one of the large deciding factors of the decision.

I am very confused as to why a new server is being opened. I find it almost insulting that my server, one that was opened when the initial rush was too populated, is being closed and a new server is added. Like I have said many many times, I understand merges are necessary. I really do. But why set up another server to inevitably be merged down the road? None of the servers are truly high population. I get the appeal for a new player, but I highly doubt the influx of players is really going to require a new server. Try populating the existing servers and the newly merged servers first. Adding a new one just seems so....illogical.

Shadfly
07-12-2015, 08:06 AM
The first issue I have is that this game (for NA release) has been out less than a year. We are facing merges already. I expect merges, just not this soon into a release.

The second issue is that they are allowing other servers guilds, gold sellers, land grabbers, etc... an equal opportunity at land on the evolution servers. I spent my time, effort, and money creating my virtual space. Trion profited from this. There was a contract involved; my money for their services. I also paid for head start which came with it's own guarantees. Trion is nullifying the value of that contract. I would expect them to at least honor those contracts for which they took money by offering same-for-same or at least a fair opportunity for land placement with others who have the same contract and are losing the same value. Lock the damn evolution servers to accounts that existed on the server PRIOR to the announcement for at least the first week (so we can get past the DDOS attacks.)

If they are funneling money to make more money on another game by wiping player's progression that the players paid real money for, then they are a shady producer at best. I played Rift when it came out... I won't be playing another Trion produced game until they honor their contract with me here.

Traciatim
07-12-2015, 08:09 AM
Still no answer to my question.

I have over 40 beehives on Enla. This is a lot of gold spend on them.
What happens to them?

They get deleted, like your land.

Elfred
07-12-2015, 12:17 PM
Here is one item I have an issue with.


Some people have the misconception that the new server will be this massive high population thing and their land baron status will be reduced to a single 16x16 in the middle of who cares. That’s not the case. Since they’ll be transferring with their land in Full Kit state this means they’ll be able to rapidly secure connected plots. There’s a chance they’re going to end up with more/better land than they had previously. [added 06/02/15]

Unless the populations on the servers to be merged drops dramatically before the merger, it is an inescapable fact that there will be more people for the same amount of available land. Right? That's just arithmetic.

So yes "There’s a chance they’re going to end up with more/better land than they had previously" , but truthfully, there is a much greater chance that they will wind up with less land and it will be less desirable land.

I don't see any other way it could turn out, unless I am missing something. If I am missing something I would be pleased to set straight.

Meanwhile I find it extremely irritating that my viewpoint (which I think is shared by many) based on the facts that I have, is a "misconception".

Last, this sentence "Some people have the misconception that the new server will be this massive high population thing and their land baron status will be reduced to a single 16x16 in the middle of who cares." isn't professional.

It isn't how a company should speak to customers about a topic the customer believes to be important. I can point out specifically why if you wish. But from what I have seen of Celestra's work, I don't think I will have to. I don't think she wrote it. I think she (or "you" if you read this Celestra) will see what I mean. My suggestion would be that Celestra re-write it into a professional sounding sentence.

Kattnip
07-12-2015, 12:34 PM
Firstly, I raised the possibility of world transfer prior to the merge and Trion clearly did listen and I thank them for that. Secondly, I realise and referred to it in my old threads; this is a financial decision and is therefore going to happen, so complaining about it will hold no mileage. I do have two questions for consideration and apologise if they have already been raised, I scanned the previous posts only to catch up on where we are and may have missed them.

1. Could a pre-merge world transfer include the same packed housing as the merger enabling those voluntary transfers to be able to survive the new world more easily as compensation.

2. I am confused of the need for a new server for each region, surely this defeats the financial objective. Unfortunately this development threatens the very survival of the newly merged servers.

Thank you in anticipation of a prompt response.

Here is the answer.
1 Character for the first month of playing on NEW server.

$14.99 - Patron

First of all, the "idea" of starting over fresh and clean on a brand new, untouched server appeals to some existing Patrons and wants to keep Patron. Appeals to the new player/not yet Patron to get Patron because they have the same chance as everyone else for a piece of land and on same playing field.

2000 credits - Lunar Scarecrow Farm Design: Instant 16 x 16, perfect for land grabbing rush.
270 credits - 30 Tax Certificates: to plant Lunar Scarecrow (you're likely level 1-5 and haven't done the first scarecrow farm quest, that provides tax certs, because you're rushing around looking for land)
1950 Credits - Land Expansion Certificate x 3: You eventually want to convert that 16 x 16 into a Gazebo.
200 credits - Owl Mailbox: saves all that running back and forth to the mailbox.
895 credits - Spacious Storage Chest: Need to store all the materials you're collecting for future use.
1200 credits - Expansion Scrolls: a couple for your warehouse and a couple for you inventory bag. Many people will buy enough to max out both.
1045 credits - Character Slot scroll: either because you created a new character on an existing account or because you're making a few worker's comp drinking alts.
1250 credits - July Labor Bundle: This is being WAY modest as I'm certain many more worker's comps will be used daily during the initial start on the new server. Anyone who survived the "real" first month of the game at launch remembers how crucial labor was to progress with simple basics of the game.
600 credits - Donkey: Your trees haven't produced thunderstrucks yet and you have to be level 30 for the donkey quest now. You have to get those trade packs running every day. Yes, you could spend 5 gilda to purchase one, but more than likely your saving those gilda stars for a clipper design or thatched farm house.
3500 credits - Wagon Upgrade Ticket: You FINALLY got those thunderstruck trees and trade runs on a donkey has gotten on your every last nerve.
300 credits - Appraisal Certificate: For those lucky moments another player sells or is willing to swap land spots with you.
300 credits - Crest Brainstorm: You got your clipper built and need a pretty crest.
320 credits - Vocation, Lucky, Honor, Immortal Tonics: Just 1 of each to help through the leveling process.

So where are we on credits with just the basics that most players will purchase in the first month?
13,830 Credits - Approximately $80 + $14.99 Patron = Approximately $95 in the first month. Let's just round this up to $100 for first month because many people will also purchase mounts, gliders/customization, costumes, plushies..etc. This is still a very modest estimate. Now multiple this to the thousands of accounts going to the new server.

You get the picture.

Aneu
07-12-2015, 12:45 PM
Trion really needs to rethink the non-merge of some of the servers.

With the creation of new servers people from every server will start fresh, this will reduce server populations of the servers that arent affected by any of these changes meaning in the future those servers will remain a problem. All the servers should be merged to ensure this doesnt happen.

In addition to the above, the new fresh new servers should not have the cash shop enabled on them as a sign of good will be TRION. This will give people the statement they need from TRION that this is not just a cash-grab. If TRION fails to do that then this simply seems like a paltry way to try and make more money and I doubt many people will return.

lumi
07-12-2015, 01:22 PM
I can't find logic in adding new servers when servers are being merged. We were told that one reason why servers need to be merge is because cost of maintaining so many servers is expensive. I expect new servers will be dead after month or some current servers will become low pop and overall situation will be same as where it started before merge/new servers.

Aneu
07-12-2015, 01:45 PM
2 servers > 1 Server = 1 free server.

Victim
07-12-2015, 03:07 PM
http://i.imgur.com/JBPaeqH.jpg

Roysy
07-12-2015, 03:17 PM
Here is the answer.
1 Character for the first month of playing on NEW server.

$14.99 - Patron

First of all, the "idea" of starting over fresh and clean on a brand new, untouched server appeals to some existing Patrons and wants to keep Patron. Appeals to the new player/not yet Patron to get Patron because they have the same chance as everyone else for a piece of land and on same playing field.

2000 credits - Lunar Scarecrow Farm Design: Instant 16 x 16, perfect for land grabbing rush.
270 credits - 30 Tax Certificates: to plant Lunar Scarecrow (you're likely level 1-5 and haven't done the first scarecrow farm quest, that provides tax certs, because you're rushing around looking for land)
1950 Credits - Land Expansion Certificate x 3: You eventually want to convert that 16 x 16 into a Gazebo.
200 credits - Owl Mailbox: saves all that running back and forth to the mailbox.
895 credits - Spacious Storage Chest: Need to store all the materials you're collecting for future use.
1200 credits - Expansion Scrolls: a couple for your warehouse and a couple for you inventory bag. Many people will buy enough to max out both.
1045 credits - Character Slot scroll: either because you created a new character on an existing account or because you're making a few worker's comp drinking alts.
1250 credits - July Labor Bundle: This is being WAY modest as I'm certain many more worker's comps will be used daily during the initial start on the new server. Anyone who survived the "real" first month of the game at launch remembers how crucial labor was to progress with simple basics of the game.
600 credits - Donkey: Your trees haven't produced thunderstrucks yet and you have to be level 30 for the donkey quest now. You have to get those trade packs running every day. Yes, you could spend 5 gilda to purchase one, but more than likely your saving those gilda stars for a clipper design or thatched farm house.
3500 credits - Wagon Upgrade Ticket: You FINALLY got those thunderstruck trees and trade runs on a donkey has gotten on your every last nerve.
300 credits - Appraisal Certificate: For those lucky moments another player sells or is willing to swap land spots with you.
300 credits - Crest Brainstorm: You got your clipper built and need a pretty crest.
320 credits - Vocation, Lucky, Honor, Immortal Tonics: Just 1 of each to help through the leveling process.

So where are we on credits with just the basics that most players will purchase in the first month?
13,830 Credits - Approximately $80 + $14.99 Patron = Approximately $95 in the first month. Let's just round this up to $100 for first month because many people will also purchase mounts, gliders/customization, costumes, plushies..etc. This is still a very modest estimate. Now multiple this to the thousands of accounts going to the new server.

You get the picture.

I fully appreciate what you are saying and sadly you are probably right which makes the process of merging even more disingenuous. I can live, albeit uncomfortably, with the need for merging servers for financial viability but to then add another new server purely to earn extra monies on the back of a the merged players is an unacceptable process. If this is the case, I am lost for words to describe this behaviour directed at your players, (customers). PLEASE ASSURE ME THIS IS NOT THE CASE AND EXPLAIN WHY THE NEED FOR A NEW SERVER ON THE BACKGROUND OF CLOSING SERVERS.:mad:

Badger
07-12-2015, 05:07 PM
In addition to the above, the new fresh new servers should not have the cash shop enabled on them as a sign of good will be TRION. This will give people the statement they need from TRION that this is not just a cash-grab. If TRION fails to do that then this simply seems like a paltry way to try and make more money and I doubt many people will return.

My oh my............. If you can't see that Trion only cares for the money tree after all this time, you never will.

Kekic360
07-12-2015, 05:15 PM
Will the settler packs be equal to the size houses we already have?

Buhg
07-12-2015, 05:26 PM
I'd mentioned previously about how what Trion is NOT saying is just as telling as what they are saying.

Notice they have not corrected anyone's use of the word "merge"

To do so would be for them to have to clarify the difference, when there IS NONE.

Stay tuned, is all I can say. But you won't hear about certain legalities in these forums.

I can imagine there will be issues concerning their contract with the customers, implied or overt.

Ballantine
07-12-2015, 07:48 PM
I was expecting new and evolve server supposed to be lesser why it seems we still getting same numbers of server lol... wouldn't this actually going from bad to worst? I was expecting merging into 1-2 server not 4-5 again. Although I'm really happy that they'll give us option to migrate our character into non-evolve server I'ts really welcoming... might just need to recon on pricing of plots in those server maybe I'll get a good deal before this happens,


I still think that TRION should consider starting fresh... it should be whole server reset.. merge and instead of targetting those low pop server. I think they never realize this people from bigger server will compete against those people get affected there will be another land rush..... getting 16x16 is easy, 24x24 is also easy to drop...

of course levels, medals and etc should be retain.

CalliCat
07-12-2015, 07:51 PM
I was expecting new and evolve server supposed to be lesser why it seems we still getting same numbers of server lol... wouldn't this actually going from bad to worst? I was expecting merging into 1-2 server not 4-5 again. Although I'm really happy that they'll give us option to migrate our character into non-evolve server I'ts really welcoming... might just need to recon on pricing of plots in those server maybe I'll get a good deal before this happens,

In my opinion the poster who outlined the cash grab strategy of the new server was dead on. I expect another merge a few months later when the new server is as "dead" as the servers they are currently planning to devolve.

Siobhan
07-12-2015, 07:56 PM
My question about the "new level 1 servers" is this: Are they going to be special rules servers (i.e. PvP, PvE, Perma-death, hardcore, Hello Kitty, etc...) or regular, run-of-the-mill servers?

If not, then why a new server?? Why would you want to thin the population down even farther?

I understand the wish for a "fresh start" with a new AH and all that, but it just doesn't make sense to make brand-new servers to start over on if you're already having enough population issues to justify a merge.

Buhg
07-12-2015, 08:16 PM
It's disheartening that they announced the announcement of an announcement of an updated FAQ which, in the end, tells us almost nothing and instead raises even MORE questions.

Solid answers seem to be beyond them even after this much time.

Trion, what choices do we have, again?

And what about all those other questions?

BigMac
07-12-2015, 11:05 PM
I can't find logic in adding new servers when servers are being merged. We were told that one reason why servers need to be merge is because cost of maintaining so many servers is expensive. I expect new servers will be dead after month or some current servers will become low pop and overall situation will be same as where it started before merge/new servers.

We haven't been told that from Trion. That is speculation from players. That doesn't mean economics aren't part of the decision process, they probably are but Trion has consistently said they are doing this to improve the experience for players on those low pop servers.

Hosting a data center is costly. It doesn't cost much more or less if there are 8 virtual servers in a center or 12 (or 4).

CalliCat
07-12-2015, 11:31 PM
We haven't been told that from Trion. That is speculation from players. That doesn't mean economics aren't part of the decision process, they probably are but Trion has consistently said they are doing this to improve the experience for players on those low pop servers.

Hosting a data center is costly. It doesn't cost much more or less if there are 8 virtual servers in a center or 12 (or 4).

Please tell me how this makes the experience better for the players who they have basically said tough ♥♥♥♥ we're taking all your progress from you. I would love to know how this makes my, and players like me, experience better. It it is not about money then transfers would improve the experience without negatively impacting a large number of people. It has to be about money that is all they care about.

BigMac
07-13-2015, 12:26 AM
Please tell me how this makes the experience better for the players who they have basically said tough ♥♥♥♥ we're taking all your progress from you. I would love to know how this makes my, and players like me, experience better. It it is not about money then transfers would improve the experience without negatively impacting a large number of people. It has to be about money that is all they care about.

But they haven't said they are taking ALL your progress away from you. You will still be level 55, have all your gear AND have your houses and farms converted to kits! You've decided that for you, that's the same as removing all your progress. It isn't the same.

CalliCat
07-13-2015, 01:01 AM
But they haven't said they are taking ALL your progress away from you. You will still be level 55, have all your gear AND have your houses and farms converted to kits! You've decided that for you, that's the same as removing all your progress. It isn't the same.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, If I cared about gear I would have more than a 2500 gear score I care about my land and I was here at head start and auroria I know the chances of me getting any of it back are about as good as the chance I have of being elected president of the universe.

ezkeal
07-13-2015, 01:09 AM
IMO people just need to boycott the game.. stop paying real life money for it and see how long it lasts...

Adding a new server is just ******ed......... WE DON't NEED A NEW SERVER, we need current servers merged to help with over all population. Id love to see the actual number of active players per server....

mikroman
07-13-2015, 01:29 AM
IMO people just need to boycott the game.. stop paying real life money for it and see how long it lasts...

Adding a new server is just ******ed......... WE DON't NEED A NEW SERVER, we need current servers merged to help with over all population. Id love to see the actual number of active players per server....

New "beginner" server is an option. If you want "end game content" you can play in old or merged servers. If you want fast changes and more competitive game you can chose beginner server and you can try "zerg rush" tactics. (6 pool, 9 pool, baneling bust) :)
More options = more players. 1-1 server is not a big risk. If old servers and evolution servers die this means that old status quo/system was wrong or Archeage server life cycle is short (1-1,5 year).

Yevgeni
07-13-2015, 01:44 AM
New "beginner" server is an option. If you want "end game content" you can play in old or merged servers. If you want fast changes and more competitive game you can chose beginner server and you can try "zerg rush" tactics. (6 pool, 9 pool, baneling bust) :)
More options = more players. 1-1 server is not a big risk. If old servers and evolution servers die this means that old status quo/system was wrong or Archeage server life cycle is short (1-1,5 year).
Not necessarily for the latter.

It is entirely possible that the game's initial success led to a very high population but that the game itself retained only a small portion of those players. Have we hit the point where the game population has stabilized? I don't know. In Korea, it was down to two servers and those two are decently populated.

Game studios tend to be overly optimistic in those situations, as they are betting (with reason) that projecting an aura of confidence will boost numbers. So they are trying to merge only the bare minimum of servers. Which is a mistake as it means that, should the game population not stabilize where they want (remember, overly optimistic), we'll be back to another "evolution" in a year or less.

They'd be better off going with a strong cut right now, even if it means bleeding out a few more members than otherwise, so we can try to aim for the stable point (where there is no net loss of players).

Imo, to make it really fair, they should close every server and open three "evolution" servers for NA and two for EU (or 4 and 3, whatever). Add a brand new server for both zones for people who feel the gear gap is too big. At least, that way, it'd truly be fair for everybody.

CalliCat
07-13-2015, 02:00 AM
Imo, to make it really fair, they should close every server and open three "evolution" servers for NA and two for EU (or 4 and 3, whatever). Add a brand new server for both zones for people who feel the gear gap is too big. At least, that way, it'd truly be fair for everybody.

This I can agree with.

CalliCat
07-13-2015, 02:01 AM
New "beginner" server is an option. If you want "end game content" you can play in old or merged servers. If you want fast changes and more competitive game you can chose beginner server and you can try "zerg rush" tactics. (6 pool, 9 pool, baneling bust) :)
More options = more players. 1-1 server is not a big risk. If old servers and evolution servers die this means that old status quo/system was wrong or Archeage server life cycle is short (1-1,5 year).

And you can enjoy the fun of being "evolved" 6 months later don't forget that.

Alara
07-13-2015, 02:02 AM
Here is one item I have an issue with.


Some people have the misconception that the new server will be this massive high population thing and their land baron status will be reduced to a single 16x16 in the middle of who cares. That’s not the case. Since they’ll be transferring with their land in Full Kit state this means they’ll be able to rapidly secure connected plots. There’s a chance they’re going to end up with more/better land than they had previously. [added 06/02/15]

Unless the populations on the servers to be merged drops dramatically before the merger, it is an inescapable fact that there will be more people for the same amount of available land. Right? That's just arithmetic.

So yes "There’s a chance they’re going to end up with more/better land than they had previously" , but truthfully, there is a much greater chance that they will wind up with less land and it will be less desirable land.

I don't see any other way it could turn out, unless I am missing something. If I am missing something I would be pleased to set straight.

Meanwhile I find it extremely irritating that my viewpoint (which I think is shared by many) based on the facts that I have, is a "misconception".

Last, this sentence "Some people have the misconception that the new server will be this massive high population thing and their land baron status will be reduced to a single 16x16 in the middle of who cares." isn't professional.

It isn't how a company should speak to customers about a topic the customer believes to be important. I can point out specifically why if you wish. But from what I have seen of Celestra's work, I don't think I will have to. I don't think she wrote it. I think she (or "you" if you read this Celestra) will see what I mean. My suggestion would be that Celestra re-write it into a professional sounding sentence.

I don't know who rewrote it but that is both poor expectation management and a slap in the face as well.

Come on, Trion: the evolution servers -will- have their landrush and there will be -less land per player- than on the to be merged servers. This means that the chance to end up with more/better land is FAR SMALLER than the chance to end up with less/worse land.

Could you please cut the
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/wdyb.gif

Roysy
07-13-2015, 02:05 AM
But they haven't said they are taking ALL your progress away from you. You will still be level 55, have all your gear AND have your houses and farms converted to kits! You've decided that for you, that's the same as removing all your progress. It isn't the same.

For someone unaffected by the merger, you seem to have a lot to say. That is not a problem when it comes to constructive comments but you constantly hit folks where it hurts and make the situation worse. One aspect about Archeage which makes it unique is the acquisition and building of land and many have invested hours of gameplay and real money into this. For that category of gamer they have indeed taken away everything. The merger is inevitable, those affected do need helpful suggestions from everyone including you but please refrain from constantly causing upset, we are upset enough already.

mikroman
07-13-2015, 02:07 AM
Yevgeni
Archeage population in first weeks was high or optimal. We have more content/opportunity now, but the player number is the same or we have less player. The game in this form is overexpanded. We need merge to get enough player to fill the online World. We had very active guild and good wars in Nebe. Lvl 55 patch was destructive:
- OP lvl 55 skills and we need farm XP hard. XP farm in solo was better than in raid (kill monster XP. Quests are better in raid, but you earn XP slowly)
- too many options: if server population was in balance the patch kill it. If we have 10 zone and 1000 player and this is good in PvP and Pve, than we have 15 zone and same player number this can be disaster.
Oh, Archeage golden age. When campers live in Hellswamp and all trader was fast, protected or dead... :D


And you can enjoy the fun of being "evolved" 6 months later don't forget that.
After 6 months we will have more choice. Archeage will win some new rivals. If Trion do it wrong we can punish it.

BigMac
07-13-2015, 03:14 AM
For someone unaffected by the merger, you seem to have a lot to say. That is not a problem when it comes to constructive comments but you constantly hit folks where it hurts and make the situation worse. One aspect about Archeage which makes it unique is the acquisition and building of land and many have invested hours of gameplay and real money into this. For that category of gamer they have indeed taken away everything. The merger is inevitable, those affected do need helpful suggestions from everyone including you but please refrain from constantly causing upset, we are upset enough already.

What causes you to believe that I'm unaffected by this merger?

My Main characters are on a high pop server but I did have characters on a low pop NA server and a low pop EU server. I have deleted those characters to make more room on the Evolve target servers for the folks that have their mains there. I also expect MANY players to transfer to my main server as soon as transfers are available. That will have an impact on my main. So, This evolution / transfer / merge has an impact on all of us.

IronArm
07-13-2015, 04:23 AM
If there is already not enough land in peace zone for people to get some and even most of the PVP zones have land taken, and then you merge 5 servers in to 2... there isn't going to be anywhere near enough for everybody already. So getting the PVP players to go over to trollo or similar will really help the populations of the new servers up and running with nice friendly people.

Okay, according to that if I like PvP I should move servers? What if I enjoy PvP and farming?

That wasn't an answer, that was just classifying people because they like PvP as not "nice" people.

JasCaldeira
07-13-2015, 04:34 AM
New servers?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Sonia martins will return to archeage <3 <3 <3

Rahvin
07-13-2015, 04:50 AM
This I can agree with.

Yep. And I have no characters on an "evolution" server. All my characters are on Aranzeb (unfortunately lol).

I just strongly believe in fairness.

Aneu
07-13-2015, 05:31 AM
Ahhhhhh the same old, typical, nonsensical arguments from the MMO crowd. Clouding out the real issues with pleas and whines of personal sacrifice and hardship.

Everyone who is going to get merged will be impacted - its a simple truth, if you don't want to be then sadly you have no option or choice, it's going ahead.

What I think people should be more concerned about is competence. What has TRION learned over the past year? What do they consider mistakes? Without knowing those very simple bits of information we cannot know whether or not a return would be in our own interests.

As I said previously, one way to know that TRION really does have player confidence at heart and are willing to build bridges, where they were previously destroyed, disable the cash shop on all the new servers where players start from 0 again. An olive branch if you will.

CalliCat
07-13-2015, 05:49 AM
What I think people should be more concerned about is competence. What has TRION learned over the past year? What do they consider mistakes? Without knowing those very simple bits of information we cannot know whether or not a return would be in our own interests.

As I said previously, one way to know that TRION really does have player confidence at heart and are willing to build bridges, where they were previously destroyed, disable the cash shop on all the new servers where players start from 0 again. An olive branch if you will.

Exactly. If I had any confidence that trion had learned anything about dealing with the issues of headstart and Auroria I might believe I would have some chance to get at least some of what I have back on an merged server but past performance is a good indicator that it will not happen. There are still land hackers even on the low pop servers. Go to any demo in a popular zone and you can bet you will find at least one, usually more. If they cannot stop these cheaters how is a legitimate player supposed to get anything on these new land rush servers? I have 0 confidence that this will be anything other than another epic fail.

Aneu
07-13-2015, 08:23 AM
With regards to the cash-shop removal comment. Obviously I am unaware of any contractual obligations that TRION are under but without something as big that that, after speaking with quite a few people who have quit, there is no chance of them coming back.

dante411x
07-13-2015, 10:25 AM
If I choose the server transfer option, will my land be packaged to move or do I have to demo my mansions and then rebuild again? Now, I know that land will be limited on servers that I'd be transferring to, but assuming that's not a problem, I really don't believe that I should have to spend that much gold, labor and time again on building them.

talizzar
07-13-2015, 11:12 AM
How do you expect Trion to make money without the cash shop? Would you be willing to pay 30 bucks a month and have them remove apex?

Aneu
07-13-2015, 11:38 AM
How do you expect Trion to make money without the cash shop? Would you be willing to pay 30 bucks a month and have them remove apex?

You misunderstand what im saying.

The removal of the cash-shop from the two new servers would be to allow a complete level playing field for those starting fresh.

I am not trying to say remove the cash shop from the game, that would be absurd - simply from the two new servers that will benefit the most from it.

Izuno
07-13-2015, 11:40 AM
My question from MkII is still unanswered:
How long will the packaged items last?
I.e. If I kill myself after the server merge because I couldn't get my land or better locations back and be forced to go into the middle of nowhere, then come back to life a few months later, will the packaged items, chests houses and all still be with me?

Stop ignoring me senpai! Atleast pretend to address the issue I'm asking...

Celestrata Bloodsong
07-13-2015, 12:26 PM
Hey all! Just got done reading all of the pages of feedback here!

I've passed most of the stuff along so we can provide more answers, but there's one answer I can provide right now to those of you asking, "Why are you opening a brand new server? Isn't that counter productive?"

So the idea of opening a brand new, start-from-scratch server came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and we thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This new server, attached to a brand new auction house shard, gives all players an opportunity to experience a fresh start in a brand new ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the improvements and changes we've made since launch, and one that allows new players and old players a like to start off on equal footing, if they so choose.

Some of you expressed that this may be counter-productive -- it is not. After the server evolution process, even with this new server added, it is our intent to end the process with less servers than we currently have now.

As I get more answers to your questions, I'll be sure to post them into this thread and add them to the core FAQ as well. Thank you for your patience while we put this all together!

itsrambo
07-13-2015, 12:52 PM
Hey all! Just got done reading all of the pages of feedback here!

I've passed most of the stuff along so we can provide more answers, but there's one answer I can provide right now to those of you asking, "Why are you opening a brand new server? Isn't that counter productive?"

So the idea of opening a brand new, start-from-scratch server came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and we thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This new server, attached to a brand new auction house shard, gives all players an opportunity to experience a fresh start in a brand new ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the improvements and changes we've made since launch, and one that allows new players and old players a like to start off on equal footing, if they so choose.

Some of you expressed that this may be counter-productive -- it is not. After the server evolution process, even with this new server added, it is our intent to end the process with less servers than we currently have now.

As I get more answers to your questions, I'll be sure to post them into this thread and add them to the core FAQ as well. Thank you for your patience while we put this all together!

Will players be able to transfer to this server? If not immediately is there a time frame when it will be available if ever?

Celestrata Bloodsong
07-13-2015, 12:57 PM
Will players be able to transfer to this server? If not immediately is there a time frame when it will be available if ever?

This is a good question, and one that will get an answer upon the answer being decided upon. :)

mikroman
07-13-2015, 12:58 PM
Will players be able to transfer to this server? If not immediately is there a time frame when it will be available if ever?

Transfer? What? Old lvl 55 eq points 4000+ character to the lvl 1 starter zerg mass??? What do you think? :)
You can transfer character from low populated server to high populated server before evolution start.
If you are in high populated server.. idk. You can do transfer, but not in "pre-evolution time" maybe.

Traciatim
07-13-2015, 12:58 PM
Will players be able to transfer to this server? If not immediately is there a time frame when it will be available if ever?

Khrolan said on the live stream that it was announced that no, players will not be able to transfer. I'm not sure if that's indefinitely or just at the start, but that's the current word on how it will work.

itsrambo
07-13-2015, 01:07 PM
Khrolan said on the live stream that it was announced that no, players will not be able to transfer. I'm not sure if that's indefinitely or just at the start, but that's the current word on how it will work.

Right but my concern is making a "new" character to start fresh and 90 days later 5k GS players transfer over and wreck everyone.

Shadfly
07-13-2015, 01:38 PM
Right but my concern is making a "new" character to start fresh and 90 days later 5k GS players transfer over and wreck everyone.

What happens nine more months down the road when "new" players want the same playing field you were given now (a fresh server) and Trion decides you should be merged back into the big-pop servers (minus all your land)?

Shadfly
07-13-2015, 01:45 PM
Hey all! Just got done reading all of the pages of feedback here!

So the idea of opening a brand new, start-from-scratch server came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and we thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This new server, attached to a brand new auction house shard, gives all players an opportunity to experience a fresh start in a brand new ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the improvements and changes we've made since launch, and one that allows new players and old players a like to start off on equal footing, if they so choose.

Some of you expressed that this may be counter-productive -- it is not. After the server evolution process, even with this new server added, it is our intent to end the process with less servers than we currently have now.



So you are admitting that new customers are more important than invested customers?

Are you going to roll up that fresh server in nine months and force them all to "Evolve" into a another server just so everyone can have that "fresh" experience? "Fresh" doesn't last for ever...
Is this "Evolution" going to wipe us out every nine months to a year? Is there any reason to expect our investment to last more than a year at this point?

Thulzadoom
07-13-2015, 01:49 PM
So I was walking around my land project today (taking pics before it goes poof!) and couldn't help but remember the RPers who delusionally argued that non-RPers don't take as much pride in their land - and don't personalize/decorate/customize it as much - because we are just producers/farmers.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0222_zpsgssutv0m.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0223_zpsdbbr0fxt.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0220_zpsekmrvc82.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0218_zpsgw78je3o.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0216_zps3betz2qp.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0214_zpsrzx4icau.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0213_zps7idp9yrb.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0211_zpsz5ah5kxc.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0206_zpsnitr2faj.jpg

talizzar
07-13-2015, 01:54 PM
You misunderstand what im saying.

The removal of the cash-shop from the two new servers would be to allow a complete level playing field for those starting fresh.

I am not trying to say remove the cash shop from the game, that would be absurd - simply from the two new servers that will benefit the most from it.

There will never be a level playing field. Once we get past this, we can start having meaningful debates. Someone will always have more time and resources to devote to the game than another or uncaught exploits, getting a lucky purse full of gold etc. The playing field will stay level for about an hour after launch.

Are you willing to pay additionally to support those servers without cash shops, in the unlikely event that would happen?

Kitwyn
07-13-2015, 02:00 PM
So I was walking around my land project today (taking pics before it goes poof!) and couldn't help but remember the RPers who delusionally argued that non-RPers don't take as much pride in their land - and don't personalize/decorate/customize it as much - because we are just producers/farmers.

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0222_zpsgssutv0m.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0223_zpsdbbr0fxt.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0220_zpsekmrvc82.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0218_zpsgw78je3o.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0216_zps3betz2qp.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0214_zpsrzx4icau.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0213_zps7idp9yrb.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0211_zpsz5ah5kxc.jpg
http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww225/Thulzadoom64/ScreenShot0206_zpsnitr2faj.jpg

Beautiful place, Maybe we should all post our screenshots so we can let Trion-really-hard see that they are paving over the garden to put up the parking lot( yes I stole that idea)

Maraboo
07-13-2015, 02:31 PM
I'd roll on a new server with no cash shop.

Thulzadoom
07-13-2015, 02:46 PM
Beautiful place, Maybe we should all post our screenshots so we can let Trion-really-hard see that they are paving over the garden to put up the parking lot( yes I stole that idea)

Thankyou. Yes I believe it would be a good idea to show Trion-really-hard (love that lol) that simply packaging up the holdings of us slumlords doesn't cut it - that this really IS progression that they are snuffing out.

...and maybe those short-sighted delusional people who think that we can simply replace what we've worked hard for cannot just simply be replaced post merge. That our progression is as valuable to us as theirs is to them.

Aneu
07-13-2015, 02:57 PM
Hey all! Just got done reading all of the pages of feedback here!

I've passed most of the stuff along so we can provide more answers, but there's one answer I can provide right now to those of you asking, "Why are you opening a brand new server? Isn't that counter productive?"

So the idea of opening a brand new, start-from-scratch server came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and we thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This new server, attached to a brand new auction house shard, gives all players an opportunity to experience a fresh start in a brand new ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the improvements and changes we've made since launch, and one that allows new players and old players a like to start off on equal footing, if they so choose.

Some of you expressed that this may be counter-productive -- it is not. After the server evolution process, even with this new server added, it is our intent to end the process with less servers than we currently have now.

As I get more answers to your questions, I'll be sure to post them into this thread and add them to the core FAQ as well. Thank you for your patience while we put this all together!

I appreciate the response to that particular question but to those of us who aren't asking questions that have very little relevance to the overall picture I think it would be more appropriate for TRION to explain what lessons they (you) have learned from publishing the game over the past year.

It is without a doubt that there have been many issues, some a lot larger than others, it put a bad taste in quite a few peoples mouths and the drop-off of players was quite big considering the pick-up.

So how have TRION adapted and changed in order to ensure these issues no longer take place? How will TRION attempt to tackle the perception that it is simply out to cash-grab?

These are some of the hard hitting questions that should be a foundation used for the upcoming "evolution" rather than answering some of the lighter and easier questions which really have no relevance in the long term.

Teel
07-13-2015, 03:01 PM
My reaction when I remember how cringeworthy the implementation of the cash-shop was when I played earlier

http://i.imgur.com/m3AwqoI.gif

If there's no cash shop?

https://i.imgur.com/y0nxkF5.jpg

I'll be back if there's no cash shop \o/

Kailly
07-13-2015, 03:03 PM
I would only consider playing anything again without any cash shop involved.

Koyu
07-13-2015, 03:09 PM
This is a good question, and one that will get an answer upon the answer being decided upon. :)

Wont be any transfer for 6 months guranteed. Only they would open transfers if population is low... Since its fresh server its ******ed to let people trnafer there with the stuf they gathered in 1 year of playing ;)

Wilks
07-13-2015, 03:09 PM
Same, I would play again if there was no cash shop. It's quite funny to think how fun this game would of been without it from the very start, would probably still be playing.

Thulzadoom
07-13-2015, 03:42 PM
So it is my reading comprehension and not that fact you made several blanket, unsubstantiated statements based solely on your opinion and though very poorly fleshed-out I was supposed to read between the lines to "see the truth" Hahahah oookay

Why would Trion lie ... about anything ? well let's just say the reasons are legion and assume it is cost-cutting which it must do to divert money from AA to ohh perhaps Devillian :) just as it has been trying to kill Defiance for the last year, to year and half to divert money to Trove and AA and now I suppose Devillian. They must be so worried the show will get picked up for a fourth season because then they will have to continue even the token effort they have been making on the game :)

So honestly, you are comparing the 'land rush '( on ANY server) for the miniscule amount of basically worthless land in Diamond Shores and Golden Ruins to what most reasonable people are thinking about when they imagine the land rush at the opening of a new server or remembering from headstart , launch and Auroria ? Could it be possible that land-hacking is under control :) or at least you don't see it much is because with open land on every server there is little point to hack ? No market no hackers.
Just these two points should clearly illustrate why I can't really take anything you say seriously. Truth and facts are not the same thing. I know this is a really difficult concept for a lot of people but just believing something and even wishing for it reeeeally really hard does not make it fact.

Finally
You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct? ; not your unicorn-like land barons but everyone who has worked hard to get their land. Therefore it does make sense to almost, Anyone, even that child of eight that they would be mainly in opposition to this merger. The depth of your insight is staggering ;)

I do not and have never pretended to know all the facts about what is going on with Trion I am just speaking from my -sigh- years of experience with them to suppose. You started your first post on this with "People who complain about how Trion has ruined your experience, I don't get it."
This is the clearest and most obvious statement you made and you most likely never will 'get it' so then why do you feel it necessary to tell people they should be happy with the polished turd Trion is offering ?

p.s. you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy ;) you might want to talk to a trained professional about it.

I LOVE this EPIC serve!

**Truth**

Kudos!

Thulzadoom
07-13-2015, 03:47 PM
You're right many of us do have more than 1 piece of land. However I have a lot less than 20. It took me 6 ♥♥♥♥ing months to get a 16 next to my thatched and I had to pay a small fortune for it when I finally managed to find someone willing to sell one to me. I have spent a ton of gold and credits to get my land together in Gweonid and a ♥♥♥♥load of time went into making that gold because I am not a credit card warrior. I worked my ♥♥♥ off in game for most of it. Don't act like our land does not amount to a huge investment of time and money. Yes I also spent actual money on land expansions and tax certs and appraisal certs as well as the mountains of gold and time invested to get the land most of which I had to buy from hackers who trion still cannot ♥♥♥♥ing control. You are frankly wrong when you say land is not hard to come by. Land is not equal in value. Some land is very ♥♥♥♥ing hard to come by. I know how hard it was to get mine in strategic and advantageous locations like Gweonid and Halcyona. Don't pretend that Auroria land is anywhere near as desirable as what I stand to lose with this ♥♥♥♥ decision. Saying you owned half of a lodestone means nothing because that land is not half as desirable as the land I stand to lose.

Scapes exact quote "None of our servers are being merged. While we want to offer the ability to transfer servers, the service has been requested of XLGAMES but is not yet available. " please tell me where the maybe is in that statement or the could happen later etc is. That right there is a direct and very clear NO statement.

**Bang!**

Right on the nose!

TY Calli. Here I am reading his tripe and formulating a response... then read yours. Couldn't have said it better.

Yevgeni
07-13-2015, 05:23 PM
@Celestrata:

In the idea of complete fairness between all of your customers, would you be open to the idea of closing all servers and giving everybody a free transfer to one of the new "evolution" servers? Obviously, you'd have to open more than currently thought but it'd be the only way to ensure a fair merging process, one that doesn't leave people with the idea that they have been unfairly targeted for randomly picking the wrong server when they started. That way, mathematically, your evolution servers should have virtually the same population numbers.

It'd also largely simplify your plans.

Bullshihtzu
07-13-2015, 07:34 PM
Hey all! Just got done reading all of the pages of feedback here!

I've passed most of the stuff along so we can provide more answers, but there's one answer I can provide right now to those of you asking, "Why are you opening a brand new server? Isn't that counter productive?"

So the idea of opening a brand new, start-from-scratch server came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and we thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This new server, attached to a brand new auction house shard, gives all players an opportunity to experience a fresh start in a brand new ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the improvements and changes we've made since launch, and one that allows new players and old players a like to start off on equal footing, if they so choose.

Some of you expressed that this may be counter-productive -- it is not. After the server evolution process, even with this new server added, it is our intent to end the process with less servers than we currently have now.

As I get more answers to your questions, I'll be sure to post them into this thread and add them to the core FAQ as well. Thank you for your patience while we put this all together!

I just thought I should clean up your main paragraph for you , using your logic .

So the idea of LEAVING OUR SERVERS ALONE came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and "we" THE PLAYERS thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This ESTABLISHED server, attached to a FULLY OPPERATIONAL auction house shard, gives YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE STUCK WITH YOU FROM THE BEGINNING an opportunity to experience THE GAME THAT WAS PROMISED TO THEM eg ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the HISTORY , WORK AND MONEY/TIME we've INVESTED since launch, and one that allows ORIGIONAL players and old players a like to CONTINUE PLAYING THE GAME AS PROMMISED/ADVERTISED , if they so choose.

P.S. you are not "putting something together your tearing it down .

CalliCat
07-13-2015, 07:49 PM
I just thought I should clean up your main paragraph for you , using your logic .

So the idea of LEAVING OUR SERVERS ALONE came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and "we" THE PLAYERS thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This ESTABLISHED server, attached to a FULLY OPPERATIONAL auction house shard, gives YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE STUCK WITH YOU FROM THE BEGINNING an opportunity to experience THE GAME THAT WAS PROMISED TO THEM eg ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the HISTORY , WORK AND MONEY/TIME we've INVESTED since launch, and one that allows ORIGIONAL players and old players a like to CONTINUE PLAYING THE GAME AS PROMMISED/ADVERTISED , if they so choose.

P.S. you are not "putting something together your tearing it down .

It becomes more clear by the day that we are not a part of the playerbase they want to keep.

Izuno
07-13-2015, 07:58 PM
*sniffles* guess my question will never get looked at... This hurts my feelings, and not only cause I feel that, as a paying customer, my queries would be looked at, but even as common courtesy ignoring a legit question is rude! Not like you had to read the whole thread to find my question, since you posted to reply to someone just 5 or so posts after mine... and even if you do have to read the whole thread, isn't that what you're paid to do? Sigh the despair.

Also all fancy ideas asides, you do know the fresh start and what not is just fancy words for "We actually want to cut down on server operating costs and thus we're going to merge several servers together so we can use the hardware for something else, maybe a new game! To make more money! Cause sucking our cash cows dry is not enough! We also need grapes and stuff."

Rvyne
07-13-2015, 08:13 PM
cash shop is always life-line of F2P games including those B2P... except if you have sponsors ads that actually help pay the operations and etc.. I doubt it would be good idea and even can fully cover everything ... it would be more annoying too... Just imagine 3 minutes full of ads on loading screen hahaha... I'm not against cash-shop but as long as this actually only limited to custometics, mounts, and etc.... definitely no rng boxes and those P2W items.

CalliCat
07-13-2015, 08:37 PM
*sniffles* guess my question will never get looked at... This hurts my feelings, and not only cause I feel that, as a paying customer, my queries would be looked at, but even as common courtesy ignoring a legit question is rude! Not like you had to read the whole thread to find my question, since you posted to reply to someone just 5 or so posts after mine... and even if you do have to read the whole thread, isn't that what you're paid to do? Sigh the despair.

Also all fancy ideas asides, you do know the fresh start and what not is just fancy words for "We actually want to cut down on server operating costs and thus we're going to merge several servers together so we can use the hardware for something else, maybe a new game! To make more money! Cause sucking our cash cows dry is not enough! We also need grapes and stuff."

The answer to your question will probably cause more anger and resentment so it is being avoided for as long as possible, either that or like the rest of this deplorable situation they have no idea what the answer is.

Galadriane
07-13-2015, 10:27 PM
If I understood correctly, the plan is to allow a one time free server transfer to those who have characters on the servers targeted for the merger, which is a good thing; at least it allows those of us willing to rebuild the means to plan ahead, and be to some degree, in control of their destiny; A few questions come to mind:

1) will this free transfer offer remain opened to those affected even after the merger?
2) will the free transfer be for each character? or the whole account? and as previously asked what if that brings the total to more than 4?
3) will those who chose the transfer option be given their land plots and houses packed as kits, ready to insta-build without having to get mats, like those people that will end up on the merged servers? (they should imo)

It is clear, that the "surviving" servers are significantly populated and land is hard to find; even more so, not all land is of equal worth - it's all about "position - position - position", which means getting re-established and generating income required for gear, pots, crafting, trade packs etc plus all the hereafter stones to travel between farms (because we can't get adjacent plots) is going to require significant effort, gold and most likely take months. By no means, this is going to be a walk in the park. Regarding compensation/settlers packs:

4) will those that transfer voluntary be given Tax-relief period and other compensation (e.g. bound items such as workers comp, additional tax certs...and some gold) - e.g. that settlers packaged previously mentioned.
5) how about "coupons" that can be used to buy any of the items sold by vendors (general, seeds, saplings, farm animals etc)
6) and hereafter stones

Personally, I am sitting on the fence as to whether or not I would take that option, or wait and try my luck on a newly merged server. I have lots of questions in that regard too:

a) with the insta-build property kits, will these be replicates of what they were? e.g. if I own

a 16x16 Tudor slate cottage, then I'll get a kit for that one
a Thatched farmhouse, then I get a kit for that
a lunar farm?
a sawmill?
an aquafarm? etc

b) inventory, warehouse, chests, decorations etc - we all know most of us, especially crafters, are hoarders. I'm concerned that I won't have space in my inventories for all of those items, and house kits, compo packs etc that you'll be giving me.

Would you be able to provide a "removal truck"? in other words, an additional, warehouse or better, inventory, storage, that at minimum is account wide, or ideally, family bound, that we can use to dump any non-character bound items into, such as furniture, crafting desks etc, mats, food, fences, gear anything - maybe that "hereafter truck" could be parked securely outside one of our property and/or accessible from warehouse NPC for a week or so prior to Merge-Day and until some predetermined period afterwards (long enough to give us time to build the houses and put the chests out etc) since without the houses we can use chests.

Lastly, I am concerned about land hackers, or those that will do their upmost to profit from this evolution by grabbing everything they can, especially in the high demand areas, to then sell at exorbitant prices. Some of us with high ping, even in non land-rush situations, are at a significant disadvantage already, so with these guys around, I might as well quit.

right now, given what we are still seeing even on our under populated server, I have little confidence that sufficient measures have been put in place to protect us from such abuse. Even if a hackers' houses are blow up afterwards, the damage will be done.

I'd like to suggest that:
no new characters, even from existing accounts, should be created on the target servers for at least 4 wks prior to merger.
no new characters should be allowed to be created on the newly merged servers for a pre-determined period, or at least, not be allowed to own land, to give a chance to the settlers to get established
only insta-build kits and pre-owned designs should be usable post merger for a per-determined period - then the restriction can be lifted
if a house or farm plot was "un-built" then it does not convert to an insta-build kit, just a design and therefore mats have to be used


thank you!

Alara
07-14-2015, 02:38 AM
Hey all! Just got done reading all of the pages of feedback here!

I've passed most of the stuff along so we can provide more answers, but there's one answer I can provide right now to those of you asking, "Why are you opening a brand new server? Isn't that counter productive?"

So the idea of opening a brand new, start-from-scratch server came straight from those of you in the community. This was something that was requested by multiple people, and we thought it was a pretty awesome idea. This new server, attached to a brand new auction house shard, gives all players an opportunity to experience a fresh start in a brand new ArcheAge world. This is a server that comes with all of the improvements and changes we've made since launch, and one that allows new players and old players a like to start off on equal footing, if they so choose.

Some of you expressed that this may be counter-productive -- it is not. After the server evolution process, even with this new server added, it is our intent to end the process with less servers than we currently have now.

As I get more answers to your questions, I'll be sure to post them into this thread and add them to the core FAQ as well. Thank you for your patience while we put this all together!

Oh Celestrata. Everytime a CM posts something in the lines of 'came from those of you in the community and we thought it was a pretty aswesome idea' I smell PR ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Please be straight with us. These new servers have a positive businesscase or else you're never doing this. You're never going to do anything only because it's something we suggested. You're always going to do something based on the businesscase, and if that coincides with something we suggested, sure it's a win win. But don't attribute it to us. You're doing this to make monies and that's primary. Not us suggesting stuff.

Labidas
07-14-2015, 03:05 AM
And what is wrong with making more money?

No one is forcing people to join the new servers.
If they choose it + spend money there + it dies = your own risk.
But if it doesn't die and goes off great = win.

As we have time still it will become clearer to what i am going to do, risk it or not, it is everyone's own decision.

Stop the idiotic complaining about a business making money = no ♥♥♥♥ Sherlock.

Retsa
07-14-2015, 03:31 AM
Hm, so are full servers being merged, or will players be randomly moved to one of two servers? If it's the later, how will it affect families and guilds?

Aneu
07-14-2015, 03:39 AM
Hm, so are full servers being merged, or will players be randomly moved to one of two servers? If it's the later, how will it affect families and guilds?

Read the OP, its all there.

Roysy
07-14-2015, 03:44 AM
I would like to thank Trion for a prompt response to the role of the new server. From my perspective this is just crazy. Either you need to reduce the number of servers on financial grounds in which case, hard as it may be, we just have to bite the bullet, or you have no real strategy behind this (R)evolution. I came to terms with the need to reduce servers and now am enraged at the idea of then adding a new one. It does not make sense. If you want to listen to the player base and respond then reconsider the original strategy and either leave the servers untouched or increase the number of servers that remain after the merge, allowing players more chance to get some land. The idea of a brand new server is insensitive and unnecessary, you clearly have more than enough server space hence the need to merge in the first place. Please at least be consistent so we can try and believe some of what you say.

Aneu
07-14-2015, 03:45 AM
And what is wrong with making more money?

No one is forcing people to join the new servers.
If they choose it + spend money there + it dies = your own risk.
But if it doesn't die and goes off great = win.

As we have time still it will become clearer to what i am going to do, risk it or not, it is everyone's own decision.

Stop the idiotic complaining about a business making money = no ♥♥♥♥ Sherlock.

Undoubtedly there is always one, and you my friend are that one.

Yes, people are being forced to join new servers because essentially when two servers merge into a single server, that is a new server, so please stop talking nonsense.

Trion is forcing it, not the players, and while I agree with the merges your presumption of risk really is the most redundant thing i've seen in this thread so far - It is a risk placed on players by TRION, not by the players themselves.

It is not everyone's own decision, some people can't just pick not to be merged because that decision is taken away from them.

There is also a huge difference between a company acting responsibly and making money and a company gouging its customers for short term gains. You only need to look back over the life-span of ArcheAge since launch to understand why there has been a huge outcry within the MMO world about TRION's handling of ArcheAge, this is not a small isolated issue, it spans many communities, pretty much every MMO news outlet has had a say or two on it also.

The onus is now on TRION to make good on what it plans to do and to also ensure players understand, emphatically, that it is not another price-gouge. If they wish to gain returning players then again, they need to do as stated.

Luniliel
07-14-2015, 03:55 AM
@Onelastchance

I've read some (but not all) of your posts so i apologize if i missunderstand some of your points.

You state That Trion may lie about the population of a said server and thus to include it into the Evolve project.. to maybe reduce the maintenance cost of said server ? (because what else could they earn from killing a functionning server as it is also a lost of money income -CS- ?)

Well i can't speak for NA server but i can for Eu servers. And clearly Janudars/nebe/nui/melisara can't be described as dead as i never seen a server this empty in my Years of MMO player. I mean even on a private server i had more people that populated it and made it living.
To be honest, considering the actual state of some "high pop" server not considered for a merger, i'm assuming the population requierement to be candidate for the merger, is far from low.

Now you also state "You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct?"

Well if you're going this road, i would also say it's been 6 months on janudar that players like me who enjoy PvP/challenges has been left out while landbarons comtemplate their wonderfull estate without contributing of any EVents or even making the server lives by any way.

Oh i can also say that if you consider land-owners losing something here, i'm also one as i own around 10 lands... I could also said my whole guild that own 2 castles on our server will loose everything because of the evolution...And to be honest we are MORE than happy that this happens.

On janudar, and i believe on nui/nebe. We have a lot of NA alts that basicly makes some alts to enjoy the free land we got here... while they can still play fairly on their medium/high pop server...And then they believe they have the right to complain about wether or not a merge should happen on this free land server.

On janudar it's been 3months that you can place 30 piece of lands connected together without a problem, anywhere you want. As you seem very concerned by the lands... well i suppose this little album will give you a small idea of the average health of "candidate server" .
click to see the real fact :) (http://imgur.com/a/vfVyR#0)

Now can you still say "Having lands connected is so much effort !". There is nothing close to that in my server, owning lands has no value at all, and to be fair i didn't see any selling lands since 4 months or else.

"you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy " : Well i could say you also have some real issues towards people like us that are trapped in a server that have currently nothing happening. i see good players leaving everyday because they are just... bored. We have more interactions with NPC that real players.

AND YES we are stuck here... Rerolling is no way on a option. Otherwise i'll go on something else.
Now you will tell me or soemone else "well that's the same thing for people that owns lands"... I'll just assume that people don't know what character progression means anymore. I'll never redo something that i have previously done...Placing some lands is nothing compared to acquiring houses designs/car or even good gear (especially gear because you have RNG involved).

Now feel free to bash Trion again... But to be honest i'm tired of people bashing the devs on the forum. I'm not saying they are wrong to do so, i also have a lot of problems with Trino policy.. But if you're here like me means you're still enjoying the game, and what do you think new players will do once they read all those wonderfull posts...(i'm not targeting you here,just saying a general statement)
For once Trion is listening their community about its health, even though imo i hoped that it would have happened sooner.

mikroman
07-14-2015, 04:00 AM
I would like to thank Trion for a prompt response to the role of the new server. From my perspective this is just crazy. Either you need to reduce the number of servers on financial grounds in which case, hard as it may be, we just have to bite the bullet, or you have no real strategy behind this (R)evolution. I came to terms with the need to reduce servers and now am enraged at the idea of then adding a new one. It does not make sense. If you want to listen to the player base and respond then reconsider the original strategy and either leave the servers untouched or increase the number of servers that remain after the merge, allowing players more chance to get some land. The idea of a brand new server is insensitive and unnecessary, you clearly have more than enough server space hence the need to merge in the first place. Please at least be consistent so we can try and believe some of what you say.

- Server number change/region after merge and "new fresh" one:
(-5+3) = -2
- The low populated server is a sick animal. They have to kill it and "buy" (evolve) new one... or two.
- They say/write what is NEW now. This is the extra +1 fresh server. This is not or-or relation. Not OR new OR merged server. They will do it all
- Land is a quality "item". Premium resource. If you can use unlimited farm that is not intended game mechanic. Basic conception was: land is a competitive resource.

Roysy
07-14-2015, 04:07 AM
What causes you to believe that I'm unaffected by this merger?

My Main characters are on a high pop server but I did have characters on a low pop NA server and a low pop EU server. I have deleted those characters to make more room on the Evolve target servers for the folks that have their mains there. I also expect MANY players to transfer to my main server as soon as transfers are available. That will have an impact on my main. So, This evolution / transfer / merge has an impact on all of us.

If you read my post, I did not suggest you had no say and helpful contributions from all worlds are well appreciated. But as you quite rightly highlight, your main characters are already located elsewhere and therefore there will be an effect on you but a minor tremor compared to the world destruction on affected servers. I ask you to be more sensitive to the effect this has on others and avoid the upsets you have produced on this thread, it is just not helpful and distracting. Trion clearly is not listening to us and distraction dilutes our case even further.

Aneu
07-14-2015, 04:16 AM
I would like to thank Trion for a prompt response to the role of the new server. From my perspective this is just crazy. Either you need to reduce the number of servers on financial grounds in which case, hard as it may be, we just have to bite the bullet, or you have no real strategy behind this (R)evolution. I came to terms with the need to reduce servers and now am enraged at the idea of then adding a new one. It does not make sense. If you want to listen to the player base and respond then reconsider the original strategy and either leave the servers untouched or increase the number of servers that remain after the merge, allowing players more chance to get some land. The idea of a brand new server is insensitive and unnecessary, you clearly have more than enough server space hence the need to merge in the first place. Please at least be consistent so we can try and believe some of what you say.

I very much doubt that financial viability of servers are the key issue prompting this change. It may help with costs slightly but I really don't think it reaps that much benefit.

In the life-cycle of most MMO's there always comes a time where the public perception of the game becomes slightly toxic, it usually happens after the period of drop-off where an exodus of players turn what was a worth while and vibrant community into a stagnant, introverted, contradiction to what once was.

If you go look at most news sites or MMO websites that discuss various games and look up ArcheAge you will see that this toxicity has actually been exacerbated by the mis-management and bad handling of TRION Worlds. Whether some agree or not, we can all say that without a doubt the public perception of ArcheAge as it stands is a negative one. Price-gouging, pay 2 win, whale central, various other terms that can be pinned on the games outer-shell.

With the use of "evolution" as the soundbite it is quite clear that TRION is trying to pull off server merges without reducing the public perception even further. With the addition of new servers I believe it is also trying to somehow reach out to those who were previously scorned by mis-management and lack of planning. If this is the case then I can say for certain that TRION really needs to up its game and show repentance and understanding of the issues that caused players to leave.

My issues were as follows:

The perception of holding content back in order to maintain subscriptions - Namely putting Auroria out so late after launch. There were 2 months of subscription time and while I myself would have remained subscribed there was always the bad taste that they extended the time from launch to Auroria in order to gain an additional subscription cycle out of players.

No trials, no tricks, no traps - one of the key phrases used by TRION prior to launch. I think we can all say without a doubt that this was a lie. When a game is entirely run by its economy then a company implements items you can sell in-game from the cash shop, it is without a doubt reneging on the promise of no tricks. This was my biggest issue, especially when rumbling sapplings were introduced into the game and broke the economy on multiple servers. Pay 2 win really isnt something I like and TRION promised prior to launch for it not to be the case - they lied.

Trions direct interaction with a sandbox - Maybe this is more of the same as the above but when you can essentially get Archeum from the Cash-shop through RNG boxes or thunderstruck saplings that all but guarantee you a thunderstruck or 50 then you know that something has gone wrong. Direct interaction with the sandbox through any means should be completely forbidden and yet it was still done. Let the players dictate the game, not trion. (Provided they are playing within the games TOS)

Land Hacking - another huge issue that was rife and probably still is. Very little response on this in the early days and even if you had recorded evidence of someone planting down a house before the timer was up (or before the prior house was burnt down) you would still see that character running around for weeks after without any repercussion placed upon them.

Bots, bots everywhere! - Pretty self explanatory, you go to some areas within the game and bots are insanely rife, it would take a GM 30min to run around and simply insta-ban each one every day but this just doesnt seem to happen. Seeing the same bots day after day becomes rather frustrating.

Hacks in general - We all mostly know the coding for the game is somewhat shoddy and with the amount of hacks available for the game its no doubt that some communities become so toxic. Sure TRION upped their game and implemented further controls but hacks do still occur, if less frequently.

Wrongful bans - The amount of innocent players that have been banned by TRION is staggering, whether its because their system reports so many false positives or because of human error I personally dont know, but this is something that should have been resolved as quickly as possible, and yet we still see threads of people being wrongfully banned, from those who support TRION and are highly unlikely to use any 3rd part programs.

If TRION wishes to make any headway with players who have left the game then giving us an idea of how they have taken previous experiences and learned from them. How they have put frameworks into place to deal with these issues. How they will ensure the game will not be Pay2Win on the new servers (starting from scratch servers).

Show us that you have gained in experience and ability TRION and maybe, just maybe, some faith will be restored.

Lshock
07-14-2015, 04:16 AM
In regards to castles, have you thought about that some guilds do not want to own a castle anymore ? and wouldn't it be a good thing to check their interest with the server evolution ?
I am asking cause right now we as a guild own 2 castles, and in the future we might not want to keep them at all.
even moreso, what would happen if we instead plan to progress with them.

There are alot of questions i'd assume in that corner, besides placement.

Traciatim
07-14-2015, 05:15 AM
In regards to castles, have you thought about that some guilds do not want to own a castle anymore ? and wouldn't it be a good thing to check their interest with the server evolution ?
I am asking cause right now we as a guild own 2 castles, and in the future we might not want to keep them at all.
even moreso, what would happen if we instead plan to progress with them.

There are alot of questions i'd assume in that corner, besides placement.

I was under the impression that no one was getting castles back and there would be a new castle rush in the new servers, which means Auroria won't be settle-able until the new castles are claimed. If that's the case and your guild no longer wants a castle, then just don't participate in the rush for them.

CalliCat
07-14-2015, 08:21 AM
@Onelastchance

I've read some (but not all) of your posts so i apologize if i missunderstand some of your points.

You state That Trion may lie about the population of a said server and thus to include it into the Evolve project.. to maybe reduce the maintenance cost of said server ? (because what else could they earn from killing a functionning server as it is also a lost of money income -CS- ?)

Well i can't speak for NA server but i can for Eu servers. And clearly Janudars/nebe/nui/melisara can't be described as dead as i never seen a server this empty in my Years of MMO player. I mean even on a private server i had more people that populated it and made it living.
To be honest, considering the actual state of some "high pop" server not considered for a merger, i'm assuming the population requierement to be candidate for the merger, is far from low.

Now you also state "You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct?"

Well if you're going this road, i would also say it's been 6 months on janudar that players like me who enjoy PvP/challenges has been left out while landbarons comtemplate their wonderfull estate without contributing of any EVents or even making the server lives by any way.

Oh i can also say that if you consider land-owners losing something here, i'm also one as i own around 10 lands... I could also said my whole guild that own 2 castles on our server will loose everything because of the evolution...And to be honest we are MORE than happy that this happens.

On janudar, and i believe on nui/nebe. We have a lot of NA alts that basicly makes some alts to enjoy the free land we got here... while they can still play fairly on their medium/high pop server...And then they believe they have the right to complain about wether or not a merge should happen on this free land server.

On janudar it's been 3months that you can place 30 piece of lands connected together without a problem, anywhere you want. As you seem very concerned by the lands... well i suppose this little album will give you a small idea of the average health of "candidate server" .
click to see the real fact :) (http://imgur.com/a/vfVyR#0)

Now can you still say "Having lands connected is so much effort !". There is nothing close to that in my server, owning lands has no value at all, and to be fair i didn't see any selling lands since 4 months or else.

"you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy " : Well i could say you also have some real issues towards people like us that are trapped in a server that have currently nothing happening. i see good players leaving everyday because they are just... bored. We have more interactions with NPC that real players.

AND YES we are stuck here... Rerolling is no way on a option. Otherwise i'll go on something else.
Now you will tell me or soemone else "well that's the same thing for people that owns lands"... I'll just assume that people don't know what character progression means anymore. I'll never redo something that i have previously done...Placing some lands is nothing compared to acquiring houses designs/car or even good gear (especially gear because you have RNG involved).

Now feel free to bash Trion again... But to be honest i'm tired of people bashing the devs on the forum. I'm not saying they are wrong to do so, i also have a lot of problems with Trino policy.. But if you're here like me means you're still enjoying the game, and what do you think new players will do once they read all those wonderfull posts...(i'm not targeting you here,just saying a general statement)
For once Trion is listening their community about its health, even though imo i hoped that it would have happened sooner.

Why should some of us have to lose everything we earned with very little if any chance to get it back so that others can have what they want? Would transfers for everyone not solve the pvp problem for people who want more people to pvp with? Instead of only allowing transfers from the servers they are killing they should just allow transfers from any server to any server. Then the people who want off their servers that are not being merged still have the option to move. They deserve every bit of bashing they get and then some in my opinion. This has to be the worst management of an MMO I have ever seen and I have played most of them.

Angelkoo
07-14-2015, 09:11 AM
First off I am not a Trion fanboy

I´d just like to state a fact: Everyone that has ever sold something (think about ebay) is trying to get the most money he/she can. Simple

Regarding the request about the new servers not having a marketplace:

How about we give Trion some numbers to work with to back up our request

How many people would sub up and come back to play on a new server without the marketplace?
How many guilds (state how many actual members) would join the new servers?

If we can show some actual numbers from our side, maybe Trion can see if this would be worth it from them.
Can we outweigh the few whales that would come against ppl unsubbing, would we have such high numbers of returning guilds/players that subing up monthly would be worth not including the marketplace on a new server?

JackOfAllTrades
07-14-2015, 09:21 AM
Make new server not p2w or even subscribtion based, so players who quit this game would return,

Luniliel
07-14-2015, 09:22 AM
Why should some of us have to lose everything we earned with very little if any chance to get it back so that others can have what they want? Would transfers for everyone not solve the pvp problem for people who want more people to pvp with? Instead of only allowing transfers from the servers they are killing they should just allow transfers from any server to any server. Then the people who want off their servers that are not being merged still have the option to move. They deserve every bit of bashing they get and then some in my opinion. This has to be the worst management of an MMO I have ever seen and I have played most of them.

i can agree that Transfer is the best solution. And that's why they are doing it prior to the Evolution.
Then the question of closing Low pop server will be resolved by itself. You know you can fight and still argue with Trino to let a server open... But this ain"t a solo RPG and when transfers strikes you can be sure that player like me (which is maybe 50-70% of players on janudar) will switch to an other server.
If you are saying you enjoy the emptyness because that's what we are calling here, this must means you contribute to a server being dead by not implicate yourself in it. Otherwise the actual state of those dead server would impact your opinion about the subject.
You're only giving one point calicat it's about your glorious lands.. And i think we all know that you're playing AA only for that.
But they are people here that instead of sitting in a chair in their yards want to enjoy the game.

I'm not only speaking about Pvp player that just struggle to find some actions (actually there is none in janudar since February besides Kraken assault).. But also PvE player that wants to do dungeon or even WB. Our kraken has not been killed since march if i recall, anthalon has only been killed once since release... And well most of the WB are up 24/24.
We barely see dungeon partys going to Serpentis anymore or dahuta..

So to sum up, you're saying that your lands are what makes you play AA.. But i've got one question for you : " What do you provide to the server community to make it living and entertaining ?"
Again i'm generaly speaking for EU server, as i'm not concerned by NA i wouldn't say a word about it.

Thulzadoom
07-14-2015, 09:45 AM
@Onelastchance

I've read some (but not all) of your posts so i apologize if i missunderstand some of your points.

You state That Trion may lie about the population of a said server and thus to include it into the Evolve project.. to maybe reduce the maintenance cost of said server ? (because what else could they earn from killing a functionning server as it is also a lost of money income -CS- ?)

Well i can't speak for NA server but i can for Eu servers. And clearly Janudars/nebe/nui/melisara can't be described as dead as i never seen a server this empty in my Years of MMO player. I mean even on a private server i had more people that populated it and made it living.
To be honest, considering the actual state of some "high pop" server not considered for a merger, i'm assuming the population requierement to be candidate for the merger, is far from low.

Now you also state "You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct?"

Well if you're going this road, i would also say it's been 6 months on janudar that players like me who enjoy PvP/challenges has been left out while landbarons comtemplate their wonderfull estate without contributing of any EVents or even making the server lives by any way.

Oh i can also say that if you consider land-owners losing something here, i'm also one as i own around 10 lands... I could also said my whole guild that own 2 castles on our server will loose everything because of the evolution...And to be honest we are MORE than happy that this happens.

On janudar, and i believe on nui/nebe. We have a lot of NA alts that basicly makes some alts to enjoy the free land we got here... while they can still play fairly on their medium/high pop server...And then they believe they have the right to complain about wether or not a merge should happen on this free land server.

On janudar it's been 3months that you can place 30 piece of lands connected together without a problem, anywhere you want. As you seem very concerned by the lands... well i suppose this little album will give you a small idea of the average health of "candidate server" .
click to see the real fact :) (http://imgur.com/a/vfVyR#0)

Now can you still say "Having lands connected is so much effort !". There is nothing close to that in my server, owning lands has no value at all, and to be fair i didn't see any selling lands since 4 months or else.

"you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy " : Well i could say you also have some real issues towards people like us that are trapped in a server that have currently nothing happening. i see good players leaving everyday because they are just... bored. We have more interactions with NPC that real players.

AND YES we are stuck here... Rerolling is no way on a option. Otherwise i'll go on something else.
Now you will tell me or soemone else "well that's the same thing for people that owns lands"... I'll just assume that people don't know what character progression means anymore. I'll never redo something that i have previously done...Placing some lands is nothing compared to acquiring houses designs/car or even good gear (especially gear because you have RNG involved).

Now feel free to bash Trion again... But to be honest i'm tired of people bashing the devs on the forum. I'm not saying they are wrong to do so, i also have a lot of problems with Trino policy.. But if you're here like me means you're still enjoying the game, and what do you think new players will do once they read all those wonderfull posts...(i'm not targeting you here,just saying a general statement)
For once Trion is listening their community about its health, even though imo i hoped that it would have happened sooner.

For a game that was marked as [paraphrased] "You can do what you want and be what you want to be" - why is it that you (and those with YOUR play style) believe that any or all of the rest of the population needs to come out and contribute to "events"?

AA was designed as an MMO with many elements... and it makes sense to advertise this to a wider market - the wider the better. THIS is what drew me to the game. Trion-really-hard narrowed this on their own quite a bit to siphon market share from the LoL crowd. Looking at it now, I am thinking that they decided that they already have an MMO; why would they want another product to compete with themselves? The problem with that is that I would never - ever - play Rift... but I enjoy AA... They were able to capture market share from players like me - and there are quite abit of us out there (I've met many with this perspective). Instead they decided to bend the design into something different to leech pvpers from other, more successful, products - by emphasizing a single aspect of the game. This is not what many of us signed up for. We don't "contribute" to your events because we frankly don't care about them... just like you could care less about what we find important in our game. The difference? We think that is alright and part of the MMO culture... the pvp-only folks generally do not and tend to be condescending to any play style that doesn't have an epeen to stroke.

What they got was widely different expectations... and no one is truly happy with the result - which is why they are (rightly so) heavily criticized on their management of this game. The pvp crowd came in expecting a pvp game - they aren't happy because of so many "carebears" invading their game, so they keep jumping off to go play LoL. The MMORPG players aren't happy when those managing the game keep calling it a "pvp game" and then make many decisions designed to force people into pvp... like "emergent gamplay".

And people like you are deluded into believing that the MERGER will solve their problems with their expected style of play...

At best, the honeymoon might last for a short time. But unless the management adjusts their perspective, the game will continue to bleed players. Why do you think that the widely held perspective of this game is "the MMO that could have been"?

Shadfly
07-14-2015, 10:09 AM
So to sum up, you're saying that your lands are what makes you play AA.. But i've got one question for you : " What do you provide to the server community to make it living and entertaining ?"


Through land ownership, I support the financial and emotional development of the server. From my lands, I provide resources that others in the community use. I also buy goods from the auction house to use in conjunction with my lands. Trade runs are sitting on a cart for 15 minutes having nothing to do but chat. During those long trade runs I provide global chat with witty repartee.

We each have our own reasons for playing AA. Land ownership is the reason I play AA. It doesn't invalidate anyone else's reasons to play but nor should their reasons invalidate mine. It's called a sandbox for a reason. If you want more PvP, you could transfer or reroll to a server that supports that (once transfers are available.)

I spent thousands of gold buying land from land-hackers, hundreds of tax certs holding 8x8s until I could get four together to make a 16x16, and countless hours sitting by demo's hoping to get that piece next to mine.
Some peeps spent thousands of gold buying the best equipment, hundreds of regrade gems trying to upgrade it, and countless hours running PvE dungeons/zones or Halcy wars trying to get a specific item.
The gear-oriented-players get to keep their form of progression. I want to keep the lands I fought and scraped for.

I'm not foolish enough to think it's black-and-white; there are land owners that did do gear progression and there are gear-oriented-players that have land.

I understand for the health of a server, we need to consolidate servers. I had alts on one of the dead EU servers; land was easily available. It's not the same in NA though; land is a precious commodity.

However, I think the land owners at the time of the announcement on those servers-to-be-evolved, should get early access to reclaim their lands. They shouldn't have to fight against land grabbers or enterprising guilds/individuals, who seek to take advantage of this situation.

CalliCat
07-14-2015, 10:17 AM
i can agree that Transfer is the best solution. And that's why they are doing it prior to the Evolution.
Then the question of closing Low pop server will be resolved by itself. You know you can fight and still argue with Trino to let a server open... But this ain"t a solo RPG and when transfers strikes you can be sure that player like me (which is maybe 50-70% of players on janudar) will switch to an other server.
If you are saying you enjoy the emptyness because that's what we are calling here, this must means you contribute to a server being dead by not implicate yourself in it. Otherwise the actual state of those dead server would impact your opinion about the subject.
You're only giving one point calicat it's about your glorious lands.. And i think we all know that you're playing AA only for that.
But they are people here that instead of sitting in a chair in their yards want to enjoy the game.

I'm not only speaking about Pvp player that just struggle to find some actions (actually there is none in janudar since February besides Kraken assault).. But also PvE player that wants to do dungeon or even WB. Our kraken has not been killed since march if i recall, anthalon has only been killed once since release... And well most of the WB are up 24/24.
We barely see dungeon partys going to Serpentis anymore or dahuta..

So to sum up, you're saying that your lands are what makes you play AA.. But i've got one question for you : " What do you provide to the server community to make it living and entertaining ?"
Again i'm generaly speaking for EU server, as i'm not concerned by NA i wouldn't say a word about it.

That's not what I said at all. I just happen to enjoy what I have built and do not enjoy the prospect of losing it all. It took me months and thousands of gold not to mention real life cash to get what I have the way I wanted it. It was no easy thing. So you know what I would rather have it than 1000 people to play with. That is my bottom line. Everyone plays for their own reasons. I don't care a lot about PVP. I do it when the mood strikes and funny enough even on my supposedly dead server there always seems to be some pvp to be had. The rifts always seem to fill up etc.

I pay to play this game it is not on me to make it entertaining for anyone but myself. How arrogant to think that your or anyone else's fun other than mine is my responsibility. This is not a job its a game I play to relax. So I don't have to contribute anything at all to the server if I don't want to. However I do rifts and I pvp when I am in the mood and I grow and sell tons of ♥♥♥♥ that people who don't want to be bothered with doing it themselves can buy from me for a fair price. So yes I contribute plenty to my server even though it is not my job to contribute anything to anyone other than myself. Who do you think you are telling me that I don't deserve to play my way because it is not contributing to other peoples fun. NOT MY PROBLEM. You want me to contribute to your fun, you can pay my sub. Otherwise my one and only responsibility is to myself.

Robb06
07-14-2015, 10:53 AM
Ok, so after reading through a chunk of this thread, I have realised Trion will not be hyelping us with this problem and will wait for it to HOPEFULLY be resolved by a future patch.

I played Archeage perfectly fine until yesterday when all Characters and Mobs would stutter across my screen instead of running normally. I adjusted all my settings from highest to lowest and the issue persists. Im running on AMD Raedon R9280 2g and never had this issue before.

It has gotten to the point where during any raid it became impossible to play and i'd be disconnected shortly afterwards. My average FPS before this was 111-144 on High and now its dipping between 10 and 70fps.

Sadly untill a future patch resolves this issue I recommend not playing AA as it may lead to stressful gameplay experience instead of fun/enjoyable one.

Abra
07-14-2015, 01:06 PM
Ok, so after reading through a chunk of this thread, I have realised Trion will not be hyelping us with this problem and will wait for it to HOPEFULLY be resolved by a future patch.

I played Archeage perfectly fine until yesterday when all Characters and Mobs would stutter across my screen instead of running normally. I adjusted all my settings from highest to lowest and the issue persists. Im running on AMD Raedon R9280 2g and never had this issue before.

It has gotten to the point where during any raid it became impossible to play and i'd be disconnected shortly afterwards. My average FPS before this was 111-144 on High and now its dipping between 10 and 70fps.

Sadly untill a future patch resolves this issue I recommend not playing AA as it may lead to stressful gameplay experience instead of fun/enjoyable one.

Sounds like you need to make a separate thread.

Kitwyn
07-14-2015, 02:17 PM
@Onelastchance

I've read some (but not all) of your posts so i apologize if i missunderstand some of your points.

You state That Trion may lie about the population of a said server and thus to include it into the Evolve project.. to maybe reduce the maintenance cost of said server ? (because what else could they earn from killing a functionning server as it is also a lost of money income -CS- ?)

Well i can't speak for NA server but i can for Eu servers. And clearly Janudars/nebe/nui/melisara can't be described as dead as i never seen a server this empty in my Years of MMO player. I mean even on a private server i had more people that populated it and made it living.
To be honest, considering the actual state of some "high pop" server not considered for a merger, i'm assuming the population requierement to be candidate for the merger, is far from low.

Now you also state "You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct?"

Well if you're going this road, i would also say it's been 6 months on janudar that players like me who enjoy PvP/challenges has been left out while landbarons comtemplate their wonderfull estate without contributing of any EVents or even making the server lives by any way.

Oh i can also say that if you consider land-owners losing something here, i'm also one as i own around 10 lands... I could also said my whole guild that own 2 castles on our server will loose everything because of the evolution...And to be honest we are MORE than happy that this happens.

On janudar, and i believe on nui/nebe. We have a lot of NA alts that basicly makes some alts to enjoy the free land we got here... while they can still play fairly on their medium/high pop server...And then they believe they have the right to complain about wether or not a merge should happen on this free land server.

On janudar it's been 3months that you can place 30 piece of lands connected together without a problem, anywhere you want. As you seem very concerned by the lands... well i suppose this little album will give you a small idea of the average health of "candidate server" .
click to see the real fact :) (http://imgur.com/a/vfVyR#0)

Now can you still say "Having lands connected is so much effort !". There is nothing close to that in my server, owning lands has no value at all, and to be fair i didn't see any selling lands since 4 months or else.

"you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy " : Well i could say you also have some real issues towards people like us that are trapped in a server that have currently nothing happening. i see good players leaving everyday because they are just... bored. We have more interactions with NPC that real players.

AND YES we are stuck here... Rerolling is no way on a option. Otherwise i'll go on something else.
Now you will tell me or soemone else "well that's the same thing for people that owns lands"... I'll just assume that people don't know what character progression means anymore. I'll never redo something that i have previously done...Placing some lands is nothing compared to acquiring houses designs/car or even good gear (especially gear because you have RNG involved).

Now feel free to bash Trion again... But to be honest i'm tired of people bashing the devs on the forum. I'm not saying they are wrong to do so, i also have a lot of problems with Trino policy.. But if you're here like me means you're still enjoying the game, and what do you think new players will do once they read all those wonderfull posts...(i'm not targeting you here,just saying a general statement)
For once Trion is listening their community about its health, even though imo i hoped that it would have happened sooner.

OK poor old looney told us everything we needed to know in the name choice.

Onelastchance
07-14-2015, 02:21 PM
And what is wrong with making more money?

No one is forcing people to join the new servers.
If they choose it + spend money there + it dies = your own risk.
But if it doesn't die and goes off great = win.

As we have time still it will become clearer to what i am going to do, risk it or not, it is everyone's own decision.

Stop the idiotic complaining about a business making money = no ♥♥♥♥ Sherlock.

Wow I have never seen a more glowing endorsement of corporate WELFARE in my life. Why should a business be held accountable for ANYTHING :) ? As long as THEY are making money then it is oohhkay.

Yevgeni
07-14-2015, 02:23 PM
First off I am not a Trion fanboy

I´d just like to state a fact: Everyone that has ever sold something (think about ebay) is trying to get the most money he/she can. Simple

Regarding the request about the new servers not having a marketplace:

How about we give Trion some numbers to work with to back up our request

How many people would sub up and come back to play on a new server without the marketplace?
How many guilds (state how many actual members) would join the new servers?

If we can show some actual numbers from our side, maybe Trion can see if this would be worth it from them.
Can we outweigh the few whales that would come against ppl unsubbing, would we have such high numbers of returning guilds/players that subing up monthly would be worth not including the marketplace on a new server?
The problem with that is that most of us are already "sub'ed" as patrons.

Trion is already getting the best of both worlds; subs and a p2w (or close to, anyway) cash shop, featuring some of the most insane gambling I've ever seen on any game. There is no reason for them to give up on that cash shop and just keep the subs. Unless they up the subs to like 25 bucks a month.

Onelastchance
07-14-2015, 04:28 PM
@Onelastchance

I've read some (but not all) of your posts so i apologize if i missunderstand some of your points.

You state That Trion may lie about the population of a said server and thus to include it into the Evolve project.. to maybe reduce the maintenance cost of said server ? (because what else could they earn from killing a functionning server as it is also a lost of money income -CS- ?)

Well i can't speak for NA server but i can for Eu servers. And clearly Janudars/nebe/nui/melisara can't be described as dead as i never seen a server this empty in my Years of MMO player. I mean even on a private server i had more people that populated it and made it living.
To be honest, considering the actual state of some "high pop" server not considered for a merger, i'm assuming the population requierement to be candidate for the merger, is far from low.

Now you also state "You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct?"

Well if you're going this road, i would also say it's been 6 months on janudar that players like me who enjoy PvP/challenges has been left out while landbarons comtemplate their wonderfull estate without contributing of any EVents or even making the server lives by any way.

Oh i can also say that if you consider land-owners losing something here, i'm also one as i own around 10 lands... I could also said my whole guild that own 2 castles on our server will loose everything because of the evolution...And to be honest we are MORE than happy that this happens.

On janudar, and i believe on nui/nebe. We have a lot of NA alts that basicly makes some alts to enjoy the free land we got here... while they can still play fairly on their medium/high pop server...And then they believe they have the right to complain about wether or not a merge should happen on this free land server.

On janudar it's been 3months that you can place 30 piece of lands connected together without a problem, anywhere you want. As you seem very concerned by the lands... well i suppose this little album will give you a small idea of the average health of "candidate server" .
click to see the real fact :) (http://imgur.com/a/vfVyR#0)

Now can you still say "Having lands connected is so much effort !". There is nothing close to that in my server, owning lands has no value at all, and to be fair i didn't see any selling lands since 4 months or else.

"you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy " : Well i could say you also have some real issues towards people like us that are trapped in a server that have currently nothing happening. i see good players leaving everyday because they are just... bored. We have more interactions with NPC that real players.

AND YES we are stuck here... Rerolling is no way on a option. Otherwise i'll go on something else.
Now you will tell me or soemone else "well that's the same thing for people that owns lands"... I'll just assume that people don't know what character progression means anymore. I'll never redo something that i have previously done...Placing some lands is nothing compared to acquiring houses designs/car or even good gear (especially gear because you have RNG involved).

Now feel free to bash Trion again... But to be honest i'm tired of people bashing the devs on the forum. I'm not saying they are wrong to do so, i also have a lot of problems with Trino policy.. But if you're here like me means you're still enjoying the game, and what do you think new players will do once they read all those wonderfull posts...(i'm not targeting you here,just saying a general statement)
For once Trion is listening their community about its health, even though imo i hoped that it would have happened sooner.

I was of two trains of thought about this response the first was a detailed point/counter-point of the misinformation you somehow attributed to my post and yes 'post' appears to be to correct here as you seemed to have not read any others except the one cited here but, be that as it may. I hardly think anyone would want to read that very lengthy response nor would I wish to write it :).
The second was to summarize your entire post by saying 'oh goody I (meaning you) got what I want, (transfers) so everyone else is wrong and I (you again) are tired or hearing it. Well I am glad for YOU, but as for the you not wanting to hear it ... sorry ?

You make some MASSIVE assumptions here about what I was trying to say and for Trion's motives. I don't believe Trion is vindictively closing servers. On the contrary, that would imply that they cared about us in ANY way except, for the amount of money we are spending.
It is the way they are going about the changes is where I have an issue.
I have said it before it is about integrity, or a company's lack-there-of.
It is about the fairness with which they treat their customers (all of their customers) or not.



Now you also state "You do realize that the only people losing anything are land-owners correct?"

Well if you're going this road, i would also say it's been 6 months on janudar that players like me who enjoy PvP/challenges has been left out while landbarons comtemplate their wonderfull estate without contributing of any EVents or even making the server lives by any way.

Again you are making MASSIVE assumptions here. How do you KNOW they weren't contributing, and more to the point why is their job to make sure you have fun ?


Oh i can also say that if you consider land-owners losing something here, i'm also one as i own around 10 lands... I could also said my whole guild that own 2 castles on our server will loose everything because of the evolution...And to be honest we are MORE than happy that this happens.

So again you are projecting :( You don't care about losing your land. It is obviously worthless .. to YOU ... That doesn't mean land is worthless to everyone. I frankly don't care about losing my gear. Someone would have to look outside their own little bubble to see that gear is not worthless to everyone. I try to do that, you might want to give it a try in regard to land.

If your server(s) are as dead as you say I am sorry that sounds terrible and that you have stuck it out paying (real money) monthly as many of us 'landbarons' as you like to call .. well apparently anyone who owns any property on a lower population server then you must as you said really like the game. I like the game too; I just don't like some of the very bad decisions Trion is making. The pictures sadly mean little or nothing because I can go to any non-merge candidate server and depending how I take the picture they could look just as empty as the PTS.

Most of your post is unfortunately comparing apples to oranges and I am sure makes very good sense to you. Unfortunately for the rest of us ...not-so-much.


"you seem to have some real issues with land owners in this game and it is making you testy " : Well i could say you also have some real issues towards people like us that are trapped in a server that have currently nothing happening. i see good players leaving everyday because they are just... bored. We have more interactions with NPC that real players.

How on earth do I have issues with "people like you" ? You are trapped as you say because you do not want to lose your gear (your idea of progression), that's fine I am not saying you made a wrong choice. How is it then right for you to say the reverse and that anyone who sees land in that way is wrong ? It appears sadly to be someone again not looking outside their small bubble of experience. You seem to have had a Very easy time getting land and again hurray for you , but many of us did not. People get bored with games for a multitude of reasons. One common one is many burn thru the content. very, very quickly. Pvp'ers have an unfortunate habit of devouring content like locusts they consume everything as quickly as possible 'because ... well I HAVE to have the best gear so no one can beat me' .... then sadly when they have they have it they piss and moan about there being no end game content and they move on to the next thing. So we can basically thank pvp for endless boring grinds and rng.
I sincerely hope you don't consider the dungeons in this game as pve content :) cuz they suck at being that ..badly. They are just more of the gear grind. There are lots of reasons to be bored in this game as good as it is and the stunning lack of new content especially pve or crafting in 1.8 and 2.0 are not going to ameliorate this much.


AND YES we are stuck here... Rerolling is no way on a option. Otherwise i'll go on something else.
Now you will tell me or someone else "well that's the same thing for people that owns lands"... I'll just assume that people don't know what character progression means anymore. I'll never redo something that i have previously done...Placing some lands is nothing compared to acquiring houses designs/car or even good gear (especially gear because you have RNG involved).

Again this is YOUR choice. For someone who didn't care about gear or land, moving servers is very simple just re-roll. You do not want to lose your gear so "you are stuck". I don't want to lose my land so "I am stuck' because we WANT TO BE STUCK. Guess what ... you aren't gonna lose your gear so hurray for you. I am still gonna lose my land , so your criticism of folks complaining about it comes off as extremely hollow and shallow.

Placing some lands is nothing compared to acquiring houses designs/car or even good gear (especially gear because you have RNG involved).
Please , please remember this is your OPINION ( your truth) not fact.

Finally :) thank you soooo much for your permission to go ahead and bash Trion again . I'm not sure I could have brought myself to do it if you hadn't given it ;). How again is my post bashing the dev's? I never said anything about XL Games in it :). I am mentioning Trion's crappy business practices.
As to the rest, you would know from other posts from me that I am not still here because I am enjoying the game but because I am 'stuck here' , because I was very silly and trusted Trion at their word about not merging servers and paid my sub ahead. They took my money destroyed my server and want me to be happy about it,' Cuz you know for the good of the game'. New synonym for the word hypocrisy ... Trion forum statements.

So in all honesty don't you think new players reading these forums should have an insight to the company they are dealing with ?

Luniliel
07-15-2015, 02:55 AM
I kinda smile when i read your response, because what you are saying about my post is also the same thing i was going to say about yours. I guess its just a matter of OPINIONS. And you're saying that i'm doing à lot of assumptions but so do you by stating that i' m saying the "Truth". Again forum are à way to express your opinions or experience,i've never said that i'm not wrong. But hey Gg you won ! No point on discussing if you are just bashing the opposite statement.

Buhg
07-15-2015, 05:21 AM
We've gone round and round in circles about this whole thing.

The issue that has many people on the merging servers upset is the breach of a contract, both literal and implied, in land ownership and the very real false advertising surrounding this situation.

Virtual land which is allowed to be "owned" has been found to hold a real value, and to deprive one of it with no recourse is breaching the terms of the contract, through their advertising, hence why they refuse to, and cannot call it a merge.

Like I said, stay tuned (but you won't find it in these forums) as that aspect of it plays out once the mergers are forced upon the customers.

In the meantime they deserve all the bashing we dish out because they will be taking away items we've paid for.

Orio
07-15-2015, 06:58 AM
If the following questions have been answered please put some link here.

a) When Freeditch was turned to inhabitable zone, owners of land were compensated. Is there planned compensation for people who own land on "to be merged" servers?
Yes/No will be sufficient, as its too early to speculate about it.

b) Server transfers for "To be merged" server players VS Merge
Please ensure that people who will chose to transfer before actual evolution take place will be handled in exactly same manner as those who will proceed throught evolution process to new servers.

Which means, that player who is currently on "to be merged" server will receive appropriate compensation regardless if he use transfer or evolution method. Also be absolutely sure that there will be no missing items or honor, tokens or other currencies to people who chosen one process, while the other group will remain unaffected.

c) Preparations for the merge are already taking place among affected players.
Its hard exactly to describe whole process and strategy which is taken by certain people and whole guilds. Main goal of such actions is to take an advantage right now on low-population servers and use this advantage later in the upcoming servers (generally speaking about new servers).

You can imagine almost any strategy beginning from control over market, or control over certain location or event.

Partially is this topic covered by enforced peace in some zones, however... The bigger group of players, the harder to help them to get organized. In this matter I am talking about faction-wide events as Abyssal Attack, Mistmerrow ...

Will those events be off until the population will settle (houses, castles, guilds will be re-formed whatever)?

This may become troublesome because of possible name changes, also I am not sure if guilds will remain (as they have might be also affected by similar rules).

Thanks.

mikroman
07-15-2015, 07:07 AM
Orio
a. )Freedich remove lands "discriminated" some of the players of the server. Merge affect ALL players, so no discrimination. So.. the ansver is: NO :D


(freedich lands were "easy camper fastjump option". Land owner used months and they had unreasoning big advantage vs others in server. I think compensation was unwanted. They didn't compensate all server when they used fast teleport.)

Uknow
07-15-2015, 07:34 AM
Im sorry i didnt read it all but:

its a chance for players :

"Since they’ll be transferring with their land in Full Kit state this means they’ll be able to rapidly secure connected plots."

How do you get to this conclusion?

how do I quickly find four 24X24 connected in a safe zone (or close to each other) in a server with already high pop and aware of the massive exode going on....

Psypirating
07-15-2015, 07:35 AM
Don't worry guys and girls its all good :) With the amount of things they have to consider with this "evolution" there are only two outcomes:

1)They will rush it so that players on low populated servers will not quit due to boredom. This basically its going to piss off a ♥♥♥♥load of players and if half of these will quit will end up with the same low population.

2) They will do things properly and try to listen to most of their player base concerns. This will happen early next year and by that time other games will pop up and we will end up with low population evolved servers.

We are doomed :D

stamgast
07-15-2015, 08:28 AM
Don't worry guys and girls its all good :) With the amount of things they have to consider with this "evolution" there are only two outcomes:

1)They will rush it so that players on low populated servers will not quit due to boredom. This basically its going to piss off a ♥♥♥♥load of players and if half of these will quit will end up with the same low population.

2) They will do things properly and try to listen to most of their player base concerns. This will happen early next year and by that time other games will pop up and we will end up with low population evolved servers.

We are doomed :D


haha this is trion. lolz i rest my case

Thulzadoom
07-15-2015, 09:09 AM
That's not what I said at all. I just happen to enjoy what I have built and do not enjoy the prospect of losing it all. It took me months and thousands of gold not to mention real life cash to get what I have the way I wanted it. It was no easy thing. So you know what I would rather have it than 1000 people to play with. That is my bottom line. Everyone plays for their own reasons. I don't care a lot about PVP. I do it when the mood strikes and funny enough even on my supposedly dead server there always seems to be some pvp to be had. The rifts always seem to fill up etc.

I pay to play this game it is not on me to make it entertaining for anyone but myself. How arrogant to think that your or anyone else's fun other than mine is my responsibility. This is not a job its a game I play to relax. So I don't have to contribute anything at all to the server if I don't want to. However I do rifts and I pvp when I am in the mood and I grow and sell tons of ♥♥♥♥ that people who don't want to be bothered with doing it themselves can buy from me for a fair price. So yes I contribute plenty to my server even though it is not my job to contribute anything to anyone other than myself. Who do you think you are telling me that I don't deserve to play my way because it is not contributing to other peoples fun. NOT MY PROBLEM. You want me to contribute to your fun, you can pay my sub. Otherwise my one and only responsibility is to myself.

He sounds like all the other whiny arrogant pvpers that I have met in this game - It is OUR job to provide them content...

You are exactly right. Why is it OUR responsibility to provide them enjoyment according to THEIR play style? Why is it so difficult for them to understand that there are MANY facets to an MMO and people play for different reasons?

What condescending arrogance. I can promise him - and those like him - that a MERGER will not force me (and those with a similar play style) to provide him content.

Siobhan
07-15-2015, 12:02 PM
Arguments aside, I have a couple questions about the transfers for evolved people (sic)...

1. If you are going to offer transfers first, why not scrap the whole "evolution" and allow the lowest populated servers transfer to another "lowish" population server and see if that raises the population to acceptable levels first, before merging the servers? Out of the servers slated for merge, one could possibly let the two lowest population servers voluntarily transfer to one of the other two servers and maybe make them more viable. Then give everyone who is left the option of transferring voluntarily or being transferred randomly. Beats the hell out of forced merge where everybody loses. If nobody goes, then look at merging again.

2. If (almost) everyone transfers, would that make the whole merge a moot point? (Ya, I know that there will always be "those people" who will go down with the server...) All you would have to do then is turn the remaining servers off. Give the holdouts the option to transfer or be transferred.

3. Once the transfer period is over, and the merge is iminent, are you going to allow others a one-time transfer to the server of their choice before the merge? I know of a couple of people who would love to transfer to their friend's servers.

EDIT: (thought of another one)

4. If only the people from merging servers are going to be given a fre transfer, are their things going to be bundles as if they were merging, or is it a transfer with "nothing but the clothes on their backs?"

Onelastchance
07-15-2015, 12:14 PM
I kinda smile when i read your response, because what you are saying about my post is also the same thing i was going to say about yours. I guess its just a matter of OPINIONS. And you're saying that i'm doing à lot of assumptions but so do you by stating that i' m saying the "Truth". Again forum are à way to express your opinions or experience,i've never said that i'm not wrong. But hey Gg you won ! No point on discussing if you are just bashing the opposite statement.


-sighs-sadly- Opinions are fine as long as they are not 'inflicted' upon others. Discussions of opinions are fine as long as they kept in their proper context. I did not single you as you did me. I was responding to your singling me out as your example of being tired of hearing people criticize Trion. If this is somehow "bashing the opposite statement" to you then I don't know what to tell you except I was not bashing anything more than you were bashing. In fact I remember several times stating that I realized that there were things valuable to you that had little or no value to me but also that it didn't make them any less important to the game or community, but sadly don't remember you extending the same courtesy. Be that as it may, I would like to remind you of a couple of Facts , not opinions, not truths, but facts.

1. You are not losing your gear which you care about ( I don't care about losing my gear, but would still be upset if you were losing yours' unfairly), but I am still losing my land which I do care about ( which you made clear in your post you do not care about losing your land, but sadly from your tone seem to not care at all about anyone losing their land because to you land is worthless).

2. I did not single you out and post to you that" I was tired of hearing people defending Trion" because I was concerned about new people getting the wrong idea, that Trion might be a good publisher, as you did the opposite.

Now feel free to bash Trion again... But to be honest i'm tired of people bashing the devs on the forum. I'm not saying they are wrong to do so, i also have a lot of problems with Trino policy.. But if you're here like me means you're still enjoying the game, and what do you think new players will do once they read all those wonderfull posts...(

I think I asked you before but am still curious; why are we supposed to hide these ideas(opinions even) from new people ?
Is it 'for the good of the game' :) or to protect Trion's bottom line ?
Don't you think they should know what they are getting into ?

sukahxd
07-15-2015, 03:19 PM
add salphira to NA Evolution Candidates

Tansien
07-15-2015, 03:25 PM
Please, PLEASE add Aier to EU Evolution candidates. It's a dead server, only reason your metrics don't show this is because there's sooo many NA APEX alts playing on it.

Or, if you don't merge it, atleast let us transfer away from this hellhole to a server where ♥♥♥♥ actually happens.

Nerrivic
07-15-2015, 04:47 PM
@ Trion

This is in regards to the newly published producer's letter.
In it, Khrolan mentions the 2.0 update will go live by the end of this summer, which suggests to me that we are rapidly approaching the merger as well.

Khrolan also states that possibly six servers will be merged for each region.
So far, you've only ever nominated five candidates per region. So who else will get hit on the head ?

I implore you, for the sake of all that you hold sacred, please, please, please:

Will you finally publish a definitive list of the merging servers ?

It's time you do this. By the current looks of it ("six"), some people will be merged who have no idea yet.
Please be fair to them and allow them some time to prepare.

Apart from that, with the announcement regarding transfers before the merger, many players, myself included, have started preparations on their new target server. It would be absolutely infuriating to find out the server we are preparing to move to will get merged as well.

Once again, for heaven's sake, make it official. You don't want to wait until nobody is left to care anymore, now do you ?

Tranquility
07-15-2015, 08:03 PM
@ Trion

This is in regards to the newly published producer's letter.
In it, Khrolan mentions the 2.0 update will go live by the end of this summer, which suggests to me that we are rapidly approaching the merger as well.

Khrolan also states that possibly six servers will be merged for each region.
So far, you've only ever nominated five candidates per region. So who else will get hit on the head ?

I implore you, for the sake of all that you hold sacred, please, please, please:

Will you finally publish a definitive list of the merging servers ?

It's time you do this. By the current looks of it ("six"), some people will be merged who have no idea yet.
Please be fair to them and allow them some time to prepare.

Apart from that, with the announcement regarding transfers before the merger, many players, myself included, have started preparations on their new target server. It would be absolutely infuriating to find out the server we are preparing to move to will get merged as well.

Once again, for heaven's sake, make it official. You don't want to wait until nobody is left to care anymore, now do you ?

I mean no disrespect, but if you're already preparing land and/or other "homesteading" framework (settling in/nesting) on a server you'd like to be moved to...that's counting your chickens before they've hatched. Trion's been extremely purposeful and adamant in conveying to the playerbase that all of these changes, evolution itself (cough-merge-cough), is all "subject to change". You can't place blame on Trion if things don't work out in your favor, when all along they've been saying "subject to change". Nothing is concrete until after evolution takes place, and even then it's always subject to change. Kudos to you for the preparation...but why spoon the dough on the cookie sheet before the oven's even preheated? =/

Tousseau
07-15-2015, 08:33 PM
I mean no disrespect, but if you're already preparing land and/or other "homesteading" framework (settling in/nesting) on a server you'd like to be moved to...that's counting your chickens before they've hatched. Trion's been extremely purposeful and adamant in conveying to the playerbase that all of these changes, evolution itself (cough-merge-cough), is all "subject to change". You can't place blame on Trion if things don't work out in your favor, when all along they've been saying "subject to change". Nothing is concrete until after evolution takes place, and even then it's always subject to change. Kudos to you for the preparation...but why spoon the dough on the cookie sheet before the oven's even preheated? =/

LOL... I like you... well said.

Luckazmayer
07-15-2015, 09:06 PM
To be real ... with all respect to the game and it's players and developers, this servers merge will be a a great mistake. If this merge really happend, Trion games will lose an great amount of players, because,let's be honest... everyone in all servers have their in game life established ( the players that play since the launch), no matter if it is from great or low populattion server. When this merge comes up, we will se many land boots , an land barons taking like 90% of the farming and housing areas.
Just to illustrate this... server Lucius, in Halcyona, you do not find an 8x8 spot, as in many others areas across the server. So, my question is, how Trion and the developers can garant us that will have many free lands to all players that will be in this server merge ?...(server Lucius people say that has no many players, and you dont find an free spot in Halcyona, Gweonnid and many others maps), and developers are saying that will be 6 server merged in 2 ...
So , to reinforce my opnion, NO to the server merge.
Use the restriction in the others servers and obligate the new accounts to joing in this possible candidates to server merge.

CalliCat
07-15-2015, 09:41 PM
I mean no disrespect, but if you're already preparing land and/or other "homesteading" framework (settling in/nesting) on a server you'd like to be moved to...that's counting your chickens before they've hatched. Trion's been extremely purposeful and adamant in conveying to the playerbase that all of these changes, evolution itself (cough-merge-cough), is all "subject to change". You can't place blame on Trion if things don't work out in your favor, when all along they've been saying "subject to change". Nothing is concrete until after evolution takes place, and even then it's always subject to change. Kudos to you for the preparation...but why spoon the dough on the cookie sheet before the oven's even preheated? =/

While I get why you would think that and I respect your opinion, the real problem here is trions track record of being completely wrong about everything. So its like living in limbo for those of us on the affected servers.

Ecm
07-15-2015, 10:01 PM
To be real ... with all respect to the game and it's players and developers, this servers merge will be a a great mistake. If this merge really happend, Trion games will lose an great amount of players, because,let's be honest... everyone in all servers have their in game life established ( the players that play since the launch), no matter if it is from great or low populattion server. When this merge comes up, we will se many land boots , an land barons taking like 90% of the farming and housing areas.
Just to illustrate this... server Lucius, in Halcyona, you do not find an 8x8 spot, as in many others areas across the server. So, my question is, how Trion and the developers can garant us that will have many free lands to all players that will be in this server merge ?...(server Lucius people say that has no many players, and you dont find an free spot in Halcyona, Gweonnid and many others maps), and developers are saying that will be 6 server merged in 2 ...
So , to reinforce my opnion, NO to the server merge.
Use the restriction in the others servers and obligate the new accounts to joing in this possible candidates to server merge.

you're missing the point of a landgrab. Also why should anyone get "Guarantees" of some land.

I play a game on the side of this one that just had a server merge, where they merged all exsisting servers in to 2 separate servers (EU & NA). To my surprise the merge it seems has been very successful. The process of a merge is... Announcement of merge > People rage and people quit > Population lowers drastically > server merge happens finally > population soars > population stabalizes at a very high level higher than any server to date.

CalliCat
07-15-2015, 10:09 PM
you're missing the point of a landgrab. Also why should anyone get "Guarantees" of some land.

I play a game on the side of this one that just had a server merge, where they merged all exsisting servers in to 2 separate servers (EU & NA). To my surprise the merge it seems has been very successful. The process of a merge is... Announcement of merge > People rage and people quit > Population lowers drastically > server merge happens finally > population soars > population stabalizes at a very high level higher than any server to date.

You think that people who spent thousands of gold on their land not to mention credits for things like taxes and land expansion etc don't deserve some kind of guarantee they will keep what they have worked for? I bet you would be pissed if you weren't guaranteed to keep your gear that you worked for though right?

Nerrivic
07-16-2015, 01:13 AM
I mean no disrespect, but if you're already preparing land and/or other "homesteading" framework (settling in/nesting) on a server you'd like to be moved to...that's counting your chickens before they've hatched. Trion's been extremely purposeful and adamant in conveying to the playerbase that all of these changes, evolution itself (cough-merge-cough), is all "subject to change". You can't place blame on Trion if things don't work out in your favor, when all along they've been saying "subject to change". Nothing is concrete until after evolution takes place, and even then it's always subject to change. Kudos to you for the preparation...but why spoon the dough on the cookie sheet before the oven's even preheated? =/

I honestly can't understand a mindset like yours.
It's quite obvious that anyone who wants to have anything left when all this is over, be it by transfer or "evolution", will have to be impeccably prepared. This ranges from scouting for desirable land and possible bargains to very simple things like having enough tax certs and making sure any items I want to keep are in my bag/warehouse.

I absolutely don't trust Trion to prepare it for me with their "settler package" - who knows how many certs will be in there ? Might not be nearly enough. Items in chests - well, the say they're working on it, but I don't seriously expect a result. Those are just a few examples.

All the players I know that have a bit of a brain are already preparing for the merger in some shape or form. During the land rush, it will be the prepared players that might get something - anyone else won't stand a chance. If you think you can just stroll around the new server, casually open your mail to claim your property, plop down your house, and plop your prepackaged teardrop-chest in it, and all that will work......uhhh, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you might be dead wrong. It's Trion, after all.

Apart from this, I believe I'm right to be surprised at the idea that no server is actually safe, as I remember one quote all to well :


We feel it’s important to let our invested high pop players know they will not be forcibly moved off their servers.

Looks like some of the invested players will soon fall out of favor.

The first announcement of the merger was 2 months ago. I could barely understand that things were "subject to change" back then. But now, time has passed, and developments have taken place. Transfers and new servers have been announced, 2.0 is coming along fast, and mark my words, it won't be long till merger day anymore.

I believe it is high time for Trion to actually commit and announce a list that is carved in stone. To withhold that information smells very much of another milking strategy, as it's a realistic assumption that quite a few people will rage quit as soon as they know they will be merged for sure.

To sum it up: two months ago, Trion announced a meteorite to hit my server. And you expect me to sit in the grass, make a daisy chain and look at the sky, on the off chance it will only hit my neighbors ?
I'm sorry, but I can't do that. I envy people who can, like yourself. I wish you the best of luck.
You're gonna need it.

Tousseau
07-16-2015, 01:32 AM
While I get why you would think that and I respect your opinion, the real problem here is trions track record of being completely wrong about everything. So its like living in limbo for those of us on the affected servers.
Who's living in Limbo?

I certainly am not, as a Lucius resident... I'm moving forward knowing full well that what ever progress I make, as far as plots gained, may very well be lost...

Its a game, and its their game (Trion/XL) and they can do pretty much what ever they want to with it... going by the EULA/ToS we all agreed to when we joined up to play.

So yes, Kudos to Trion for at least packing up my plots so that I may be able to continue on afterward... As I recall in the EULA/ToS, there is nothing there that they have to do this. I won't even begin to delude myself that I'm entitled to such compensation... So thank you Trion for helping me to persevere. After all, I don't recall someone from Trion coming to my home to make me to apply real money toward playing the game, the way I wish to (as a Patron).

I do it, because I enjoy it... and if living through this Evolution is a part of it, I will approach it in that light... as yet a different level of the game. I didn't piss and moan when the worlds reset when I played Evony, Tribal Wars, or Grepolis... And I won't piss and moan here... It's yet, just another game reset.

And before someone starts throwing out "But they promised there would be no server merges"... Tough... Once again, in the EULA/ToS, provisions are made that changes to game play can and will be made, at their discretion...

I agreed to it and you agreed to it. Hell, pretty much everybody else agreed to it, when we all started to play this great game called ArcheAge... So get over it... it's just a game, and it's their game.

Enjoy the ride, or get off...

Nerrivic
07-16-2015, 01:45 AM
Who's living in Limbo?

I certainly am not, as a Lucius resident... I'm moving forward knowing full well that what ever progress I make, as far as plots gained, may very well be lost...

Its a game, and its their game (Trion/XL) and they can do pretty much what ever they want to with it... going by the EULA/ToS we all agreed to when we joined up to play.

So yes, Kudos to Trion for at least packing up my plots so that I may be able to continue on afterward... As I recall in the EULA/ToS, there is nothing there that they have to do this. I won't even begin to delude myself that I'm entitled to such compensation... So thank you Trion for helping me to persevere. After all, I don't recall someone from Trion coming to my home to make me to apply real money toward playing the game, the way I wish to (as a Patron).

I do it, because I enjoy it... and if living through this Evolution is a part of it, I will approach it in that light... as yet a different level of the game. I didn't piss and moan when the worlds reset when I played Evony, Tribal Wars, or Grepolis... And I won't piss and moan here... It's yet, just another game reset.

And before someone starts throwing out "But they promised there would be no server merges"... Tough... Once again, in the EULA/ToS, provisions are made that changes to game play can and will be made, at their discretion...

I agreed to it and you agreed to it. Hell, pretty much everybody else agreed to it, when we all started to play this great game called ArcheAge... So get over it... it's just a game, and it's their game.

Enjoy the ride, or get off...

You are not seriously comparing a little browser game like Grepolis to the vast world of ArcheAge, are you ?

As far as the TOS go, let's not open that can of worms. That would bring us right back to the definitions of virtual property and the legal troubles that go along with it. Trion themselves are well aware of these troubles, which is why they cling to the idiotic term "evolution".

And it's not "their game". It's a product they are selling; a product which we bought. They are not a charity, you don't have to be grateful to them for allowing you to give them your money.

Apart from that, I applaud you for being such a meek and obliging customer. Having such a pure and faithful heart, I'm sure you got your ticket to heaven all booked. Now get your halo out of my face ;)

Tousseau
07-16-2015, 01:50 AM
You are not seriously comparing a little browser game like Grepolis to the vast world of ArcheAge, are you ?

As far as the TOS go, let's not open that can of worms. That would bring us right back to the definitions of virtual property and the legal troubles that go along with it. Trion themselves are well aware of these troubles, which is why they cling to the idiotic term "evolution".

Apart from that, I applaud you for being such a meek and obliging customer. Having such a pure and faithful heart, I'm sure you got your ticket to heaven all booked. Now get your halo out of my face ;)

What makes you think that is my halo? :p

It however, does not negate the fact that the ToS makes it very clear that they can change the game as they see fit... including mergers.

CalliCat
07-16-2015, 02:12 AM
Who's living in Limbo?

I certainly am not, as a Lucius resident... I'm moving forward knowing full well that what ever progress I make, as far as plots gained, may very well be lost...

Its a game, and its their game (Trion/XL) and they can do pretty much what ever they want to with it... going by the EULA/ToS we all agreed to when we joined up to play.

So yes, Kudos to Trion for at least packing up my plots so that I may be able to continue on afterward... As I recall in the EULA/ToS, there is nothing there that they have to do this. I won't even begin to delude myself that I'm entitled to such compensation... So thank you Trion for helping me to persevere. After all, I don't recall someone from Trion coming to my home to make me to apply real money toward playing the game, the way I wish to (as a Patron).

I do it, because I enjoy it... and if living through this Evolution is a part of it, I will approach it in that light... as yet a different level of the game. I didn't piss and moan when the worlds reset when I played Evony, Tribal Wars, or Grepolis... And I won't piss and moan here... It's yet, just another game reset.

And before someone starts throwing out "But they promised there would be no server merges"... Tough... Once again, in the EULA/ToS, provisions are made that changes to game play can and will be made, at their discretion...

I agreed to it and you agreed to it. Hell, pretty much everybody else agreed to it, when we all started to play this great game called ArcheAge... So get over it... it's just a game, and it's their game.

Enjoy the ride, or get off...

I am living in limbo because I play to build and craft and acquire land. There is no point to acquiring land now so a big part of what I like to do is now in limbo.

I'm happy for you that you don't mind having your time and money wasted. I am an adult, I work hard for the money I spent on this game and I trusted their word. Mistake # 1. Just because you do not value your time and effort as much as I do and are happy to give it up that does not mean the rest of us have to be. No disrespect to your opinion intended. We are all entitled to have them.

If I had to guess I would guess you are more interested in the pvp aspect of the game than the building, crafting, farming side of it. There is nothing wrong with that I am just curious, am I right?

Nerrivic
07-16-2015, 02:59 AM
What makes you think that is my halo? :p

It however, does not negate the fact that the ToS makes it very clear that they can change the game as they see fit... including mergers.

There are examples of similar TOS by other publishers that did not hold up in court. Do your research.

By the way, it takes two parties to agree to terms of service. The terms are binding for Trion as well. By my interpretation, their service, as advertised, includes land ownership and the preservation of progress. And yes, land is progress. Wanna know why ?

How about this: the producer's letter goes to great length to hype the housing upgrades that come with 2.0. Normally, I would be psyched about this, but...if I don't even know wether I'll have a house in the future, why would I look forward to upgrading it ?

Therefore, it is my opinion that Trion violated their own TOS and breached their contract with me. Which is why I no longer pay them.
Customers do have rights, you know. Didn't anybody ever tell you that ?

Luniliel
07-16-2015, 04:28 AM
-sighs-sadly- Opinions are fine as long as they are not 'inflicted' upon others. Discussions of opinions are fine as long as they kept in their proper context. I did not single you as you did me. I was responding to your singling me out as your example of being tired of hearing people criticize Trion. If this is somehow "bashing the opposite statement" to you then I don't know what to tell you except I was not bashing anything more than you were bashing. In fact I remember several times stating that I realized that there were things valuable to you that had little or no value to me but also that it didn't make them any less important to the game or community, but sadly don't remember you extending the same courtesy. Be that as it may, I would like to remind you of a couple of Facts , not opinions, not truths, but facts.

1. You are not losing your gear which you care about ( I don't care about losing my gear, but would still be upset if you were losing yours' unfairly), but I am still losing my land which I do care about ( which you made clear in your post you do not care about losing your land, but sadly from your tone seem to not care at all about anyone losing their land because to you land is worthless).

2. I did not single you out and post to you that" I was tired of hearing people defending Trion" because I was concerned about new people getting the wrong idea, that Trion might be a good publisher, as you did the opposite.


I think I asked you before but am still curious; why are we supposed to hide these ideas(opinions even) from new people ?
Is it 'for the good of the game' :) or to protect Trion's bottom line ?
Don't you think they should know what they are getting into ?

Well i apologize if i sounded arrogant or else. But the fact is that the more i read the forum, the less i desire to play...which is kinda funny because i decided to go on l2 before merge strikes. Also you do see me as someone that dont care about lands, that is not entirely true as i'm crafting everything by myself and thus i need land...what i meant is that lands are so worthless in dead server that except the ressource to build it, There is no worth at all. Also considering Trino, i never said i want tohide the Truth about them...but yea you're trying to protect something you care and spend money on....but then you're destroying it by bashing it. Even i, a player of the release got tired about the constant bashing (even if this is understandable) and i'm less and less active...si what do you think a new player Will do ?

CalliCat
07-16-2015, 04:49 AM
Well i apologize if i sounded arrogant or else. But the fact is that the more i read the forum, the less i desire to play...which is kinda funny because i decided to go on l2 before merge strikes. Also you do see me as someone that dont care about lands, that is not entirely true as i'm crafting everything by myself and thus i need land...what i meant is that lands are so worthless in dead server that except the ressource to build it, There is no worth at all. Also considering Trino, i never said i want tohide the Truth about them...but yea you're trying to protect something you care and spend money on....but then you're destroying it by bashing it. Even i, a player of the release got tired about the constant bashing (even if this is understandable) and i'm less and less active...si what do you think a new player Will do ?

I know you were not addressing me but I will just say that I am someone who is quitting once everything I have worked for disappears. Maybe even sooner than that. They destroyed my enjoyment of a game I had planned to play for years to come so I could not care less if players run far far away from this game. It is all that they deserve after the way they have treated their customers and failed us at every turn. The only reason the games population is in the state it is is because of their failures. Failure to deal with hackers and exploiters and gold sellers and bots. Failure to correct the mess they made with the auroria launch etc. These failures are what have put the game in this position. Frankly I have no sympathy nor care if these threads drive players away, I am ok with that. I consider it doing them a favor and saving them from the next failures that lead to the next merge.

Shadfly
07-16-2015, 05:52 AM
...what i meant is that lands are so worthless in dead server that except the ressource to build it, There is no worth at all...
Your experience and perception on the EU servers may be that land is worthless and in some respects you are right. I had alts on an EU server. I was able to pick up 4 16x16s side by side in the first town. Land was easily attainable. However, on Calleil there are 24x24 properties next to mine up for sale for 2000 gold. If land is so worthless, why are there guilds from other servers planning to land rush the evolution servers and sell the land back to those losing it? .
Not all players are affected equally by this "Evolution". We have no control over the decisions being made, Trion/XL is allowing others to profit from our misfortune that they are causing. They need to step up and lock the servers to only those characters who owned land at the time of the announcement and lock unbuilt properties to 0. (Lock things in such a way, that only the pre-built kits can be deployed.) Give us a week on the evolve-servers to sort things out (and get any DDOS issues resolved). Then open those servers to unbuilt/transfers/new players.

Buhg
07-16-2015, 06:07 AM
There are examples of similar TOS by other publishers that did not hold up in court. Do your research.

By the way, it takes two parties to agree to terms of service. The terms are binding for Trion as well. By my interpretation, their service, as advertised, includes land ownership and the preservation of progress. And yes, land is progress. Wanna know why ?

How about this: the producer's letter goes to great length to hype the housing upgrades that come with 2.0. Normally, I would be psyched about this, but...if I don't even know wether I'll have a house in the future, why would I look forward to upgrading it ?

Therefore, it is my opinion that Trion violated their own TOS and breached their contract with me. Which is why I no longer pay them.
Customers do have rights, you know. Didn't anybody ever tell you that ?

100% correct, Nerrivac.

I was directly involved in one of those similar situations and am well aware of the outcome.

The difference in Archeage, Second Life, and most MMO's is the promise of, and claim to virtual land.

I assure you this is the reason for their use of the word evolution. And why they didn't, couldn't, can't, and won't answer my question about the difference between an evolution and a merge. It's their attempt to minimize responsibility and not offer up their own evidence of wrongdoing.

Though yes, they can do what they want, but they will have to accept possible consequences.

I'm sure they have factored this into their equations.

They are still raking in the money to offset any possible loss later on. Sadly there isn't anything we can do about it until AFTER it happens.

In my opinion, also sadly, that other example got a mere slap on the wrist.

mikroman
07-16-2015, 06:11 AM
Your experience and perception on the EU servers may be that land is worthless and in some respects you are right. I had alts on an EU server. I was able to pick up 4 16x16s side by side in the first town. Land was easily attainable. However, on Calleil there are 24x24 properties next to mine up for sale for 2000 gold. If land is so worthless, why are there guilds from other servers planning to land rush the evolution servers and sell the land back to those losing it? .
Not all players are affected equally by this "Evolution". We have no control over the decisions being made, Trion/XL is allowing others to profit from our misfortune that they are causing. They need to step up and lock the servers to only those characters who owned land at the time of the announcement and lock unbuilt properties to 0. (Lock things in such a way, that only the pre-built kits can be deployed.) Give us a week on the evolve-servers to sort things out (and get any DDOS issues resolved). Then open those servers to unbuilt/transfers/new players.

I can make 15 aquafarm in one of the NA servers. In other Na server I can build 5 others. If I want more corall i can grab 20-50 other aquafarms. This is low populated servers. Ok. underwater coral farming is annoying thing, but this is not "balanced".

DjinniGenie
07-16-2015, 06:21 AM
I've been in limbo since May 22nd when Khrolan said the 'merge' word on the livestream. Being in limbo is hard. It has completely stalled my desire to continue working toward anything in the game. In fact, if not for my ArcheAge friend that is now my gaming buddy, I would likely have already quit. I spent quite a lot of RL cash in obtaining my property via the purchase of APEX for trading. I once adored my virtual farm and home. Now? I think I'd be far happier just cutting the cord and moving on, but I still have time remaining on my subscriptions.

I rarely login anymore. When I do, I feed the animals and go. Sometimes, I make tax certs. You know what? I DO NOT NEED TAX CERTS IN A SETTLER'S PACKAGE. I have over 700 of them on one alt alone! That's what losing the desire to play does. It gives you lots of opportunity to make tax certs with the labor that builds up while you are offline doing something else that doesn't upset you.

I have little time left on my subs. I really want to stay until the merge to see if I can get land and if that allows me to play with my buddy again, BUT...

I would rather have unmedicated dental work than give another dime to Trion from my bank account.

We have not been made to feel appreciated by this company. We have not been reassured that our business matters to them despite their actions. Is that so much to ask? Just a little ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that this is NOT FUN for the land owners. Instead, we get told that it won't be so bad or that this is an 'opportunity'.

Yes. It is an opportunity for Trion to make me feel that my previous and continued patronage matters.

I am not feeling it yet.

RexNero
07-16-2015, 06:36 AM
Truly I believe server merge is a good chance to unificate all AH on 1 unique cluster Economy between servers is too much different. United AH cluster for all would be a nice evolution

Rexorr
07-16-2015, 06:50 AM
2.0 coming out in August! HUZZAH!

mikroman
07-16-2015, 07:17 AM
New Fresh Server options

There are 2 drastic options for new fresh-start server. And lot of "medium" solution.

A. Separated new server - pure competitive server
- separated labor system
- separated credit and loyality system
- removed Marketplace
- account and/or character limit (1 account - 1 character). 1 player = 1 account.
This can be good for players, but not so good for maximum-real-money-economy-Company.


B: "All factor unchanged" server:
- shared credit and loyality in al EU/NA servers
- shared labor points in all Eu/NA servers
- all "hard eco-buff" and "real money support items" are in marketplace
- no character limitation: unlimited account registration, 4+2 character/account
This is the maximum "who care" level server. And it will die in 1 month. Free or normal patron users have 0% chance to survive. Whales and big-fat-creditcard-users win the short term big Nothing. Auroria Castle in 24 hours? No problem :)


And we have lot of less fanatic and blind half-solutions. Some of them can be good.
Example:
1. separated labor, credit, loyality system.
This is basic. If we have shared market, P2W and old "big" players will kill the "new" server. +8-12000 time limited labor/account + unlimited account bound and no CD potion based labor/day. 1st day gazebos or +2*16x16 starter farms. payed archeum and OP item support from RNG boxes. Loyality transfer... If we have separeated system this is not real dangerEh. Terror in the kindergarten.

2. Marketplace restrictions:
Marketplace "start" later or we can't buy all high-eco buff items. No RNG boxes in first days.
Other options: paying limit. Only 20-50 -100 dollar/account/month. This is hard and not "fair play" vs normal patron user, but can stop the whales and don't kill the server population (so fast).

3 worker potions - character number restriction:
Worker potions removed in first days from marketplace or reworked (1/12 hours / ACCOUNT). Or you can use character restriction. Only 1 or 2 character/account and long character removing time. If you use "standard" server rules this will kill server too. 4 account and 8 worker potions/day? this is hard. P2W users can get Castles in 10 days. patrons but no rich guys in 34 days.


4 limited content:
No castles in first month. Auroria or other zones opening later maybe: this is more competitive and less "lucky b@st@rd" game. Or all zone and quest is online in the first day, but you use other restriction to prevent the "unbalanced pay-or-die server" status.
If some of the event/zone is locked you can do good calendar: when will go live this content, when and how many new items go to the system or to the marketplace. This is better than you restart the server and we win one headshot-unplanned-patch.

Any other idea? Brainstorming on... Or Sh!tstorm on? :)
I will start new character. Except the "pure B" options...

Luniliel
07-16-2015, 07:27 AM
I know you were not addressing me but I will just say that I am someone who is quitting once everything I have worked for disappears. Maybe even sooner than that. They destroyed my enjoyment of a game I had planned to play for years to come so I could not care less if players run far far away from this game. It is all that they deserve after the way they have treated their customers and failed us at every turn. The only reason the games population is in the state it is is because of their failures. Failure to deal with hackers and exploiters and gold sellers and bots. Failure to correct the mess they made with the auroria launch etc. These failures are what have put the game in this position. Frankly I have no sympathy nor care if these threads drive players away, I am ok with that. I consider it doing them a favor and saving them from the next failures that lead to the next merge.
Yes and that´s why i cant take your point seriously. You're basicly saying that wether or not they do the merge, you'll just bash the dev and thus destroying gaming expérience of others as you made sure you give your best to scare people away. I may be rude but its à kid reaction : " if i cant enjoy this game anymore i'll make sure nobody Will". Did we, the remaining players, offend you in some sort to justify your effort to destroy the last piece of community we have? As you said you're not concerned by the game anymore so why not move on? Damn i miss the days where a player was a gamer and not à customer
I miss the days where official forums didnt exist and all the news about your game was ingame or during conventions (prevent the toxicity we just harvest by tons here). Yes trino did horrible mistake and i hâte them aswell...but i dont find any pleasure in destroying a game bye destroying its community ( scaring away newbies)... Let them have their own opinion instead of brainwashiing them by saying everything is wrong if you dare play AA... Or maybe you imply that people that still enjoy the game are stupid .

Wutever
07-16-2015, 08:08 AM
EU Evolution Candidates: Orchidna, Melisara, Nui, Janudar, Nebe
EU Non-Candidate Servers: Shatigon, Kyprosa, Eanna (RP), Dahuta (RP), Aier
EU Proposed New Servers: Leviathan (Evolved), Anthalon (Evolved), Rangora (NEW)
Dahuta is evidently bleeding players harder than a decapitated corpse hanging upside down. Properties on Auroria are getting demolished on a daily basis (most just burn down because nobody is around to hit them) and nothing is taking their place. Faction balance is completely in the gutter to the point people are making pirate guilds just to fight other pirates. Sieges don't exist. And this is on top of all the screw-ups and terrible game mechanics that we have had to put up over the existence of the game.

Can we finally get a bloody definite answer about whether or not Dahuta will be merged and whether or not there will be free transfers for players that don't want to play a player-driven MMO in a ghost town? I need to know this so I can finally sell my account or initiate a charge-back depending on your answers.

Nerrivic
07-16-2015, 08:19 AM
Yes and that´s why i cant take your point seriously. You're basicly saying that wether or not they do the merge, you'll just bash the dev and thus destroying gaming expérience of others as you made sure you give your best to scare people away. I may be rude but its à kid reaction : " if i cant enjoy this game anymore i'll make sure nobody Will". Did we, the remaining players, offend you in some sort to justify your effort to destroy the last piece of community we have? As you said you're not concerned by the game anymore so why not move on? Damn i miss the days where a player was a gamer and not à customer
I miss the days where official forums didnt exist and all the news about your game was ingame or during conventions (prevent the toxicity we just harvest by tons here). Yes trino did horrible mistake and i hâte them aswell...but i dont find any pleasure in destroying a game bye destroying its community ( scaring away newbies)... Let them have their own opinion instead of brainwashiing them by saying everything is wrong if you dare play AA... Or maybe you imply that people that still enjoy the game are stupid .

You are mixing things up here. The game is great, nobody here said otherwise. In fact, it is because the game is great that so many of us are heartbroken.

CalliCat is trying to warn new players about the publishers, and this is a very solid point. Trion have brought these reactions upon themselves. Conversely, if they had not screwed everything up since launch, or if they would at least make a serious effort now to right their wrongs, I'm sure many people would recommend ArcheAge, thereby preventing the need for mergers after less than a year.

You say you miss the good old days....well, I suppose those were the days when publishers were not hellbent on milking their players at every last opportunity.
You seem to fear the game will die due to the community scaring away new players. That's not the case, I don't even believe it matters. My impression is that Trion does not have long term plans for Archeage. It won't run for years, no matter what we do.

My personal issue is not even having to put more of the same effort into the game, to regain what I already have - even though that's annoying. My problem is that I have been lied to, and they are still trying to make a fool of me and everyone else to this day. It's getting to the point where it's degrading.

voodoona
07-16-2015, 08:23 AM
[B]Are EU and NA Evolutions expected to take place at the same time, staggered hours, or staggered days?[B]

Please fix the bold tags, it drives me crazy X'D

Much love, CM!

Tousseau
07-16-2015, 08:58 AM
I am living in limbo because I play to build and craft and acquire land. There is no point to acquiring land now so a big part of what I like to do is now in limbo.

I'm happy for you that you don't mind having your time and money wasted. I am an adult, I work hard for the money I spent on this game and I trusted their word. Mistake # 1. Just because you do not value your time and effort as much as I do and are happy to give it up that does not mean the rest of us have to be. No disrespect to your opinion intended. We are all entitled to have them.

If I had to guess I would guess you are more interested in the pvp aspect of the game than the building, crafting, farming side of it. There is nothing wrong with that I am just curious, am I right?You would guess wrong... it isn't necessarily the PVP of the game that I engage in here. I'm very much the "CareBear" here. The majority of my time is spent tending my plots and looking to expand my holdings (I find it rather relaxing after a day at work). With my goals, currently, I intend to have have 9 properties by Evolution time.

The difference between you and me is that I choose to not lament what I will be losing when that time comes, but what I can potentially gain when the worlds collide, and everything that I do now, is in preparation for it. Nui protect me...

Does it suck to lose the perfect placement of your properties? Yes, it does... but those properties are still going to be there when the time comes... we will all just need to find new homes for them.

CalliCat
07-16-2015, 09:06 AM
Yes and that´s why i cant take your point seriously. You're basicly saying that wether or not they do the merge, you'll just bash the dev and thus destroying gaming expérience of others as you made sure you give your best to scare people away. I may be rude but its à kid reaction : " if i cant enjoy this game anymore i'll make sure nobody Will". Did we, the remaining players, offend you in some sort to justify your effort to destroy the last piece of community we have? As you said you're not concerned by the game anymore so why not move on? Damn i miss the days where a player was a gamer and not à customer
I miss the days where official forums didnt exist and all the news about your game was ingame or during conventions (prevent the toxicity we just harvest by tons here). Yes trino did horrible mistake and i hâte them aswell...but i dont find any pleasure in destroying a game bye destroying its community ( scaring away newbies)... Let them have their own opinion instead of brainwashiing them by saying everything is wrong if you dare play AA... Or maybe you imply that people that still enjoy the game are stupid .

Pretty sure I never said if I can't play I will make sure nobody will I said I didn't care if I scared people away, but its fair point. I have warned everyone I game with who was even considering this game away. My personal friends will never touch another trion product. That is no less than this company deserves. It is not about ruining the game for you or anyone else. It is about making people aware of the kind of company they are planning to do business with. It is the exact opposite of being a kid. When you know something is a sham you should, if you have morals and a conscience, make sure everyone else knows it too and help your fellow man avoid being screwed over.

I would never imply you are stupid for enjoying the game. In fact I LOVE this game but when a company that I trusted and paid quite a bit of money to tells me that my investment of time and money is worth less than someone elses because I was trusting enough to take their advice and roll on a particular server it angers me. Do you think I would be this pissed off if I did not love this game?

Tousseau
07-16-2015, 09:13 AM
Truly I believe server merge is a good chance to unificate all AH on 1 unique cluster Economy between servers is too much different. United AH cluster for all would be a nice evolution

One AH to rule all of the servers? This I can agree with... I believe it would help alleviated much of the upheaval that will come to the various markets when the evolution happens.

Abadar be Praised....

CalliCat
07-16-2015, 09:14 AM
You would guess wrong... it isn't necessarily the PVP of the game that I engage in here. I'm very much the "CareBear" here. The majority of my time is spent tending my plots and looking to expand my holdings (I find it rather relaxing after a day at work). With my goals, currently, I intend to have have 9 properties by Evolution time.

The difference between you and me is that I choose to not lament what I will be losing when that time comes, but what I can potentially gain when the worlds collide, and everything that I do now, is in preparation for it. Nui protect me...

Does it suck to lose the perfect placement of your properties? Yes, it does... but those properties are still going to be there when the time comes... we will all just need to find new homes for them.

You know if it weren't for all the land hackers and cheaters and exploiters that are still running around today I might think I might have a chance to get something back on the merge servers. I had to buy every piece of land I own save one from these hackers. I am not naive I know they still exist today. I see them everytime a demo in a good zone goes down. If you are willing to take the chance that you will work your ♥♥♥ off again to get your land just to be merged again then good luck to you. I don't have the heart to do it all again just to lose it all again in a few months and since merges happened multiple times in other regions I see no reason to expect any different here.

Tousseau
07-16-2015, 09:32 AM
You know if it weren't for all the land hackers and cheaters and exploiters that are still running around today I might think I might have a chance to get something back on the merge servers. I had to buy every piece of land I own save one from these hackers. I am not naive I know they still exist today. I see them everytime a demo in a good zone goes down. If you are willing to take the chance that you will work your ♥♥♥ off again to get your land just to be merged again then good luck to you. I don't have the heart to do it all again just to lose it all again in a few months and since merges happened multiple times in other regions I see no reason to expect any different here.
While, in my experience here, the opposite can be said... I haven't paid for one lot (well, except when transferring a plot from an alt to my main).
Otherwise they have all been obtained from competing with others over a demo (3 plots I didn't get were due to other players beating me to the placement), or they are properties that opened up completely uncontested (which is the case for 5 out of 6 of my plots).

CalliCat
07-16-2015, 09:35 AM
While, in my experience here, the opposite can be said... I haven't paid for one lot (well, except when transferring a plot from an alt to my main).
Otherwise they have all been obtained from competing with others over a demo (3 plots I didn't get were due to other players beating me to the placement), or they are properties that opened up completely uncontested (which is the case for 5 out of 6 of my plots).

I'm curious where your land is and what server? Mine is in Gweonid and Halcyona and let me tell you there were a few well known land hackers on our server who got every single demo I ever went to. They all eventually got banned but not before I paid them a ridiculous amount of gold for the land they stole from everyone else who showed up for the demos. I can beat a legit player 9 times out of 10 everyone knew these people were hackers and them getting banned pretty much proved it. It just took trion forever to deal with them.

Tousseau
07-16-2015, 09:54 AM
I'm curious where your land is and what server? Mine is in Gweonid and Halcyona and let me tell you there were a few well known land hackers on our server who got every single demo I ever went to. They all eventually got banned but not before I paid them a ridiculous amount of gold for the land they stole from everyone else who showed up for the demos. I can beat a legit player 9 times out of 10 everyone knew these people were hackers and them getting banned pretty much proved it. It just took trion forever to deal with them.

Lucius... Mairianople and Two Crowns.
In Gweo I am seeing a lot of unbuilt homes going up there also, as I do my runs... Same with Solzreed. Likewise, Dewstone and Lilyut have also been in heavy flux.
Now, if those placements in Gweo are due to Demos or sales, I can't say... Not particularly fond of the area myself... I prefer the options that coastal communities offer.

Retsa
07-16-2015, 12:00 PM
Yes i read about the guild stuffs but not families, unless I disregarded something while re-reading it. That and I would like to know what's up because OP says that players might not have the choice in one instance, and in another states that it is important for them to keep guilds intact.
So yeah, I m sorry if I am a bit confused about it.

CaptainJake
07-16-2015, 12:53 PM
are we going to be able to transfer from High Population Server A to High Population Server B? When will this be implemented?

Onelastchance
07-16-2015, 06:47 PM
While I get why you would think that and I respect your opinion, the real problem here is trions track record of being completely wrong about everything. So its like living in limbo for those of us on the affected servers.


Who's living in Limbo?

I certainly am not, as a Lucius resident... I'm moving forward knowing full well that what ever progress I make, as far as plots gained, may very well be lost...

Its a game, and its their game (Trion/XL) and they can do pretty much what ever they want to with it... going by the EULA/ToS we all agreed to when we joined up to play.

So yes, Kudos to Trion for at least packing up my plots so that I may be able to continue on afterward... As I recall in the EULA/ToS, there is nothing there that they have to do this. I won't even begin to delude myself that I'm entitled to such compensation... So thank you Trion for helping me to persevere. After all, I don't recall someone from Trion coming to my home to make me to apply real money toward playing the game, the way I wish to (as a Patron).

I do it, because I enjoy it... and if living through this Evolution is a part of it, I will approach it in that light... as yet a different level of the game. I didn't piss and moan when the worlds reset when I played Evony, Tribal Wars, or Grepolis... And I won't piss and moan here... It's yet, just another game reset.

And before someone starts throwing out "But they promised there would be no server merges"... Tough... Once again, in the EULA/ToS, provisions are made that changes to game play can and will be made, at their discretion...

I agreed to it and you agreed to it. Hell, pretty much everybody else agreed to it, when we all started to play this great game called ArcheAge...


I am living in limbo because I play to build and craft and acquire land. There is no point to acquiring land now so a So get over it... it's just a game, and it's their game.

Enjoy the ride, or get off...big part of what I like to do is now in limbo.

I'm happy for you that you don't mind having your time and money wasted. I am an adult, I work hard for the money I spent on this game and I trusted their word. Mistake # 1. Just because you do not value your time and effort as much as I do and are happy to give it up that does not mean the rest of us have to be. No disrespect to your opinion intended. We are all entitled to have them.

If I had to guess I would guess you are more interested in the pvp aspect of the game than the building, crafting, farming side of it. There is nothing wrong with that I am just curious, am I right?


There are examples of similar TOS by other publishers that did not hold up in court. Do your research.

By the way, it takes two parties to agree to terms of service. The terms are binding for Trion as well. By my interpretation, their service, as advertised, includes land ownership and the preservation of progress. And yes, land is progress. Wanna know why ?

How about this: the producer's letter goes to great length to hype the housing upgrades that come with 2.0. Normally, I would be psyched about this, but...if I don't even know wether I'll have a house in the future, why would I look forward to upgrading it ?

Therefore, it is my opinion that Trion violated their own TOS and breached their contract with me. Which is why I no longer pay them.
Customers do have rights, you know. Didn't anybody ever tell you that ?


You would guess wrong... it isn't necessarily the PVP of the game that I engage in here. I'm very much the "CareBear" here. The majority of my time is spent tending my plots and looking to expand my holdings (I find it rather relaxing after a day at work). With my goals, currently, I intend to have have 9 properties by Evolution time.

The difference between you and me is that I choose to not lament what I will be losing when that time comes, but what I can potentially gain when the worlds collide, and everything that I do now, is in preparation for it. Nui protect me...

Does it suck to lose the perfect placement of your properties? Yes, it does... but those properties are still going to be there when the time comes... we will all just need to find new homes for them.


You know if it weren't for all the land hackers and cheaters and exploiters that are still running around today I might think I might have a chance to get something back on the merge servers. I had to buy every piece of land I own save one from these hackers. I am not naive I know they still exist today. I see them everytime a demo in a good zone goes down. If you are willing to take the chance that you will work your ♥♥♥ off again to get your land just to be merged again then good luck to you. I don't have the heart to do it all again just to lose it all again in a few months and since merges happened multiple times in other regions I see no reason to expect any different here.


While, in my experience here, the opposite can be said... I haven't paid for one lot (well, except when transferring a plot from an alt to my main).
Otherwise they have all been obtained from competing with others over a demo (3 plots I didn't get were due to other players beating me to the placement), or they are properties that opened up completely uncontested (which is the case for 5 out of 6 of my plots).


I'm curious where your land is and what server? Mine is in Gweonid and Halcyona and let me tell you there were a few well known land hackers on our server who got every single demo I ever went to. They all eventually got banned but not before I paid them a ridiculous amount of gold for the land they stole from everyone else who showed up for the demos. I can beat a legit player 9 times out of 10 everyone knew these people were hackers and them getting banned pretty much proved it. It just took trion forever to deal with them.


Lucius... Mairianople and Two Crowns.
In Gweo I am seeing a lot of unbuilt homes going up there also, as I do my runs... Same with Solzreed. Likewise, Dewstone and Lilyut have also been in heavy flux.
Now, if those placements in Gweo are due to Demos or sales, I can't say... Not particularly fond of the area myself... I prefer the options that coastal communities offer.

This seems to be mostly a matter of impression caused by the differing times in which you both acquired the land. I believe CalliCat has been acquiring and has had land for maybe six/seven months or more, when it was Much, much harder to acquire land and the hackers were much more active and not controlled. To the contrary it seems Tousseau's experience is colored by the apparent ease of acquiring land on Lucius in the last month or so; as illustrated by another post (one of his/her first) about 21 June this year where (s)he mentioned being new to the game. Landhackers are much less active but probably still very poorly controlled (they just don't care anymore), and that many normal sub paying customers seem to be giving up on the game on the servers on death row. While it is admirable to still be excited playing and being hopeful for the future of the game even after such a short time considering what all is going on, it is not kind or wise to discount the experience of others with considerably more experience with how the game issues have been (mis)handled.


So get over it... it's just a game, and it's their game.

Enjoy the ride, or get off..


Now honestly, this wasn't very nice of Tousseau to say :( and especially not from someone New to the community. Curious also is why someone new to the community would cite the EULA/TOS so often in defense of Trion. Or at least excusing them from their perceived responsibilities and the need for compensating the fewer paying customers who are losing things as opposed to the many who are losing nothing in the merge :( .

Now these are troubling in a different way :( ...
especially with first coming before the 21 June post mentioning newness

This from the third post on any of these forums 12 minutes after the first on a thread about a server outtage


So, do tax timers continue to tick down during these outages?
If so... I wouldn't mind if you could extend the outage for an extra hour to keep the owner from trying to pay his taxes before I can snag it... :oP

This from a thread called landgrabers:


Capitalism and Religion should never mix... keep RNGesus out of it.... Please.

Although I would be more than willing to see how a limited land resource be worked... say a max of 12 or 14 lots, to keep in line with the max 500% tax increase.

EDIT: At least in the perpetual peacefull lands of carebears and eternal sunshine... in the PVP areas, no limits... survival of the fitest and such.

And this from a thread called Aranzeb down /Crash ?


Lucius too... and I have a land grab coming up too... :confused:

I'll leave these to speak for themselves as I am still contemplating.

VoreDock
07-16-2015, 09:04 PM
I stopped playing having to deal with the land hacks and cheaters is just too much , add to that the gear grind and the fact that EVO servers will always be needed in the game and poof all your hard work gone in one stroke.

My guild worked so hard to get much of the land in sandsdeep we cleaned it up pushed the cheaters and reds out and for what to have us all spreed to the wind at the will of the dev gods .

I don't know if i will ever come back.

I will check in every 6 months to see if Trion ever gets the cheating under control.

CalliCat
07-16-2015, 09:09 PM
lots of text

Yep I have been here since headstart. When I started I started on Naima with my friends and between the 5 of us we managed to get 1 16x16 spot and 1 8x8. So when Trion started spamming the server announcement that we should move to Calliel, Lucius etc if we wanted land we took their advice and abandoned our 35+ level characters and their headstart stuff and we rerolled on Calliel. Even there we were only able to grab 3 16x16 spots and later turn two of them into thatched farmhouses. I only owned a 16 for the longest time. I managed to buy out the spots around me to turn mine into a 24 after 2 months. Then it took me another 5 or 6 to get the 16 next to it which I had to pay a pretty penny for. I have been working at this for a long time. All but one of the people I joined with quit when the merge was announced. We all worked very hard for our land and we have a valid reason to be pissed. It was the thing that made us buy into this game in the first place. Our love of rift was the reason we trusted trion enough to buy the most expensive head start pack. Our mistake. We all loved this game and would have played for years if not for this merge nonsense.

Luniliel
07-17-2015, 01:09 AM
Pretty sure I never said if I can't play I will make sure nobody will I said I didn't care if I scared people away, but its fair point. I have warned everyone I game with who was even considering this game away. My personal friends will never touch another trion product. That is no less than this company deserves. It is not about ruining the game for you or anyone else. It is about making people aware of the kind of company they are planning to do business with. It is the exact opposite of being a kid. When you know something is a sham you should, if you have morals and a conscience, make sure everyone else knows it too and help your fellow man avoid being screwed over.

I would never imply you are stupid for enjoying the game. In fact I LOVE this game but when a company that I trusted and paid quite a bit of money to tells me that my investment of time and money is worth less than someone elses because I was trusting enough to take their advice and roll on a particular server it angers me. Do you think I would be this pissed off if I did not love this game?
Your point seems fair enough, but saying "planning to do business with", " investment of time and money".This is what i meant by saying i miss the good of Times were a player was a gamer. Nowadays , maybe because the market is overloaded with mmo, people feels entitled to have "compensation" or "a reward" for being loyal...and this is why i think mmo fails nowadays (in addition with bad publisher)... You said cash grab publisher but do you know blizzard was considering like one when they came up with the subscription fee when games were all b2p.
Also backin the days, you had no way to deliver feedbacks beside ingame chat. The publisher had no clue where the game Will lead to. So if you hated à new addition ...Well you moved on. Nowadays people feels the need to do a bad publicity by themselves because they feels like a savior or smth..So yea for me the publisher is responsible for à game failure but so does the community and its toxicity.

CalliCat
07-17-2015, 01:50 AM
Your point seems fair enough, but saying "planning to do business with", " investment of time and money".This is what i meant by saying i miss the good of Times were a player was a gamer. Nowadays , maybe because the market is overloaded with mmo, people feels entitled to have "compensation" or "a reward" for being loyal...and this is why i think mmo fails nowadays (in addition with bad publisher)... You said cash grab publisher but do you know blizzard was considering like one when they came up with the subscription fee when games were all b2p.
Also backin the days, you had no way to deliver feedbacks beside ingame chat. The publisher had no clue where the game Will lead to. So if you hated à new addition ...Well you moved on. Nowadays people feels the need to do a bad publicity by themselves because they feels like a savior or smth..So yea for me the publisher is responsible for à game failure but so does the community and its toxicity.

In the past when there was only Wow and before that Everquest and even before that Ultima you had very little choice. In the past companies made mmos they expected people to play for years and years. Look at wow, still going , still a subscription game after what 14 years? I'm guessing at the age here, I have not played since the 3rd expansion. Now they make these games they want to milk as quickly and as hard as they can to squeeze their players for every dime and have no qualms about taking your money and not delivering a decent service. There are countless MMOs these days that want our time and money so we expect some decent service. Also all those gamers you talk about all have grown up and have families and mortgages and value their time and money more than they did when they were 20. I don't disagree that people have a huge sense of entitlement these days I have shaken my head at it myself, like dolphingate. this situation does not compare to that though. We are not asking for anything more than what we already have worked and paid for.

Dark Skies
07-17-2015, 05:02 AM
We need population like the first days of archeage, and Aier is far behind that number of player. Aier evolution please