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Rival
02-04-2017, 11:18 AM
Before last tuesday's patch:

http://imgur.com/a/azRHz

After last tuesday's patch, Endless arrows has been firing like this every day, all day. And it makes me want to insta log off for the day:

https://gfycat.com/BiodegradableUnknownGraywolf

Here are a couple Tracerts that show it's not a ping issue, this is a patch issue. Something is hard limiting the speed at which Endless Arrows fire.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Ryval>tracert 208.94.26.5

Tracing route to dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 30 ms 26 ms 27 ms cpe-24-55-0-1.austin.res.rr.com [24.55.0.1]
3 72 ms 54 ms 58 ms tge0-0-4.ausgtxlg01h.texas.rr.com [66.68.3.233]

4 11 ms 12 ms 10 ms agg22.ausutxla01r.texas.rr.com [24.175.43.211]
5 41 ms 32 ms 47 ms agg22.dllatxl301r.texas.rr.com [24.175.41.46]
6 21 ms 23 ms 25 ms bu-ether14.dllstx976iw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.10
9.6.88]
7 44 ms 52 ms 44 ms 0.ae1.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [107.14.17.234]
8 13 ms 16 ms 21 ms be-202-pe03.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [5
0.248.118.169]
9 55 ms 69 ms 67 ms be-12495-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68.86
.85.193]
10 27 ms 25 ms 26 ms be-16-pe02.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68
.86.83.118]
11 52 ms 36 ms 37 ms 66.208.216.210
12 52 ms 40 ms 40 ms dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Ryval>tracert 208.94.26.5

Tracing route to dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 19 ms 19 ms 20 ms cpe-24-55-0-1.austin.res.rr.com [24.55.0.1]
3 52 ms 47 ms 65 ms tge0-0-4.ausgtxlg01h.texas.rr.com [66.68.3.233]

4 49 ms 54 ms 55 ms agg22.ausutxla01r.texas.rr.com [24.175.43.211]
5 23 ms 47 ms 22 ms agg22.dllatxl301r.texas.rr.com [24.175.41.46]
6 58 ms 53 ms 34 ms bu-ether14.dllstx976iw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.10
9.6.88]
7 43 ms 41 ms 37 ms 0.ae1.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [107.14.17.234]
8 22 ms 22 ms 24 ms be-202-pe03.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [5
0.248.118.169]
9 37 ms 40 ms 42 ms be-12495-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68.86
.85.193]
10 43 ms 37 ms 36 ms be-16-pe02.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68
.86.83.118]
11 43 ms 49 ms 49 ms 66.208.216.210
12 10 ms 13 ms 18 ms dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Ryval>tracert 208.94.26.5

Tracing route to dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 25 ms 25 ms 28 ms cpe-24-55-0-1.austin.res.rr.com [24.55.0.1]
3 272 ms 49 ms 43 ms tge0-0-4.ausgtxlg01h.texas.rr.com [66.68.3.233]

4 62 ms 57 ms 82 ms agg22.ausutxla01r.texas.rr.com [24.175.43.211]
5 21 ms 14 ms 23 ms agg22.dllatxl301r.texas.rr.com [24.175.41.46]
6 23 ms 15 ms 15 ms bu-ether14.dllstx976iw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.10
9.6.88]
7 22 ms 24 ms 24 ms 0.ae1.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [107.14.17.234]
8 30 ms 29 ms 28 ms be-202-pe03.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [5
0.248.118.169]
9 56 ms 57 ms 60 ms be-12495-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68.86
.85.193]
10 35 ms 18 ms 18 ms be-16-pe02.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68
.86.83.118]
11 45 ms 60 ms 51 ms 66.208.216.210
12 16 ms 19 ms 17 ms dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Ryval>tracert 208.94.26.5

Tracing route to dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 13 ms 13 ms 14 ms cpe-24-55-0-1.austin.res.rr.com [24.55.0.1]
3 56 ms 40 ms 35 ms tge0-0-4.ausgtxlg01h.texas.rr.com [66.68.3.233]

4 55 ms 60 ms 64 ms agg22.ausutxla01r.texas.rr.com [24.175.43.211]
5 42 ms 39 ms 44 ms agg22.dllatxl301r.texas.rr.com [24.175.41.46]
6 33 ms 27 ms 35 ms bu-ether14.dllstx976iw-bcr00.tbone.rr.com [66.10
9.6.88]
7 29 ms 23 ms 18 ms 0.ae1.pr1.dfw10.tbone.rr.com [107.14.17.234]
8 14 ms 17 ms 17 ms be-202-pe03.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [5
0.248.118.169]
9 65 ms 67 ms 76 ms be-12495-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68.86
.85.193]
10 34 ms 31 ms 32 ms be-16-pe02.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68
.86.83.118]
11 41 ms 42 ms 41 ms 66.208.216.210
12 13 ms 18 ms 17 ms dal-r09-fcp.dal.triongames.com [208.94.26.5]

Trace complete.




Trino has constantly said that they do not make game balence changes and leave it up to XLGames, yet implementing a Animation Limiter doesn't seem to cross their mind as a balence change. This disrupts the amount of damage that archers can put out in a small amount of time which is extremely important in PvP as we only have seconds to do damage before having to spend global cooldowns to create gaps between our enemies. Endless Arrows functioning correctly is extremely important for filler damage in between main shot CDs, if it is underperforming in speed, we're screwed.

Kraftsau
02-04-2017, 02:13 PM
Good as it is. Only fair. Some people have a Bad pong like 100- 200 ms. So Equal speed for all. And i am prime too with around 40 ms. So its my opinion.

Trusivraj
02-04-2017, 02:22 PM
If this is an intended change they'd have made it part of some kind of hot fix or patch notes, so it's clearly something buggy going on, as I've experienced it since last Tuesday as well. (As my class relies heavily on endless arrows dps) if it is an intended change, then we should've had some kind of notice, and my class will probably be going back to *shield needed*, if not however.. the sooner it's fixed the better. (Ping/lag are going to force you to "suck" no matter how "balanced" they make our version of EA, so that's really not the expected problem in my book, when we finally get an explanation about this.)

Rival
02-04-2017, 03:03 PM
So its my opinion.

And it will stay that way.


This is much too slow.

Higorkovic
02-04-2017, 03:33 PM
It's because of Skill Queue
You fell in the Trion fairy tale:

"Skill Queue will stabilize the performance"
"Testing Period"

Rival
02-04-2017, 04:30 PM
It's because of Skill Queue
You fell in the Trion fairy tale:

"Skill Queue will stabilize the performance"
"Testing Period"

Skill Queue was not added last week.

A different change was incorporated to limit the speed of animations, it affected EE too hard.

NefariousBIG
02-04-2017, 05:26 PM
If this is an intended change they'd have made it part of some kind of hot fix or patch notes, so it's clearly something buggy going on, as I've experienced it since last Tuesday as well. (As my class relies heavily on endless arrows dps) if it is an intended change, then we should've had some kind of notice, and my class will probably be going back to *shield needed*, if not however.. the sooner it's fixed the better. (Ping/lag are going to force you to "suck" no matter how "balanced" they make our version of EA, so that's really not the expected problem in my book, when we finally get an explanation about this.)


15000 pays defense-2600 resilience 2300 toughness and getting hit by dual weilders for 25k + in 1 Round since last Tuesday's patch..this is with a fully gemed t6 epic shield..

Bakachan
02-04-2017, 07:08 PM
yea i second this. What ever they did, they absolutely ♥♥♥♥ed endless arrows up. This change makes endless arrows far to slow to be decent in pvp now. Like before the patch, i could stack up stalkers mark to about 100 stacks before it blew up, now im lucky to get 60 stacks. So about every 15 seconds im loseing about 40 arrows worth of damage now.like whats the point of playing primeval and slowly hitting enemy's with slow as hell endless arrows when i can just swap dr and 2 tap people. makes no sense.

Edwardo
02-04-2017, 11:21 PM
How many EA are you getting per second now vs how many you were getting before, when not in a raid setting?

Bumblefooot
02-04-2017, 11:38 PM
Im experiencing this same problem. Ill fire endless arrows and every 2-3 seconds itl slow then restart firing fast. My ping to trion servers is 42ms but since last patch or so bounces wildely at times but not enough to influence my game play. which i hadnt noticed till reading this post. I feel its server instability or a change to skill Q they once again didnt mention. We never get patch notes unless its a cheesy event patch notes. Please explain for us why server is unstable/changed and what solutions/steps are being taken.

Now im stuck on a dead server with a nerfed archer. Trion make me a happy customer everytime...... Or maybe i cry every time for how bad its become here.

Laddin
02-05-2017, 04:08 AM
Is this not related to the cap on animation time they put in without saying anything in 3.0? EA, Triple slash, mana stars and rapid strikes all got capped on speed because they felt our versions were overpreforming in comparison to koreas. And yes, it blows a lot.

Trusivraj
02-05-2017, 04:17 AM
15000 pays defense-2600 resilience 2300 toughness and getting hit by dual weilders for 25k + in 1 Round since last Tuesday's patch..this is with a fully gemed t6 epic shield..

When I say shield needed, I mean my fellow oracles, that I've been guiding into this spec, will not be able to be competitive without a shield, if EA stays the way it is. I've been doing alright dual wielding still, but the difference between shield and dual are favoring shield heavily right now, for a healing, ranged dps spec.

Trusivraj
02-05-2017, 06:47 AM
Someone asked Kooncoon about the EA change, and it look's like it's here to stay, so I'd adjust your playstyle accordingly.

Twilightmagus
02-05-2017, 10:42 AM
Dang, why not just replace endless all together with fang bolt at this rate. They seem to really hate fast spammy skills so instead of making them suck, just get rid of them for something better.

Myrgatroid
02-05-2017, 10:56 AM
Archery was getting too close to being decent again. They had to do something, there was no choice.

Rival
02-05-2017, 11:51 AM
Archery was getting too close to being decent again. They had to do something, there was no choice.

So true haha

Rival
02-05-2017, 11:51 AM
Someone asked Kooncoon about the EA change, and it look's like it's here to stay, so I'd adjust your playstyle accordingly.

Hmm your post is important, so you're saying this change was in KR as well? And this is how it is perma?

Do you have any links?

Trusivraj
02-05-2017, 01:15 PM
Hmm your post is important, so you're saying this change was in KR as well? And this is how it is perma?

Do you have any links?

It was his most recent YouTube vid, as of this morning. I can link it when I get home. Watched him use EA while talking about how XL is trying to remove ping-dependency on skills and that it will be staying for the time being, and it seemed to be just as slow as ours.

Trusivraj
02-05-2017, 06:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfDzstb_Htk&t=8611s luckily its within the first 15 minutes. (around the 11 minute mark) he tells us about EA on his server.

Claims theyre changing the system to where we'll rely heavily on Atk speed stacking, instead of ping speed.

Darkshinera
02-05-2017, 07:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EHNRfqIGB4 3.5 update and endless arrow isn't slow

Trusivraj
02-05-2017, 07:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EHNRfqIGB4 3.5 update and endless arrow isn't slow

Thank Rngsus its a bug afterall, now we w8 for this poop to get fixed. I don't get why Koon seemed to shoot worse than this guy.. We just need mor einfo on whats going on.

Ubi
02-05-2017, 09:58 PM
Trion keeps saying it isn't skill que but a cap on animation in our region. So, limiting the skill firing speed and our dps. Triple slash is slower as well, but the difference is marginal, nothing compared to the nerf that has hit endless arrows. Just reroll mage, that's what I'm working on atm.

Crenahaw
02-06-2017, 05:11 AM
Your "slow" EA looks exactly like mine from AU as soon as the Skill Que was put in....

Trusivraj
02-06-2017, 05:15 AM
Your "slow" EA looks exactly like mine from AU as soon as the Skill Que was put in....

EA should be shooting at a consistent 5 arrows a second or more, with no "drought" in-between shots. If you have spacing/halts/interruption in-between shots, then its not working as intended.

Twilightmagus
02-06-2017, 06:24 AM
Anyone else get it where endless just kind of stops for no reason? Idk what causes it but it bugs the hell out of me when i'm holding or mashing the button.

Trusivraj
02-06-2017, 09:54 AM
Anyone else get it where endless just kind of stops for no reason? Idk what causes it but it bugs the hell out of me when i'm holding or mashing the button.

Yes, that's what I was explaining to Crena. It should never have downtime, unless oom, or severely lagging. G-Ping vs B-Ping just involved a difference in firing rate, but you never stopped shooting all together. A GM explanation is dearly wanted.

All in the details
02-06-2017, 11:50 AM
Your "slow" EA looks exactly like mine from AU as soon as the Skill Que was put in....

Sucks man... Play the AU version of the game.....

Tired of being hampered in NA region gameplay to make things fair for people not in NA. Your ping sucks, you knew that coming into the game, now deal with it and let me go back to firing so many manastars a second I out dps fireball spam hard.

Nodoze
02-06-2017, 02:17 PM
It really pisses me off that they are killing diversity in this game. It isn't like Archers were OP and needed an EA nerf.

Trusivraj
02-06-2017, 02:49 PM
It really pisses me off that they are killing diversity in this game. It isn't like Archers were OP and needed an EA nerf.

Right? I mean, just to flaunt my classes epeen, they could've done it to make archers less adamant to play sustain specs that could make you an unkillable tank cannon, and run faster to prime, but I doubt that's the real case, plus I hear it's indeed a bug.

Darkshinera
02-08-2017, 08:14 PM
any news ?

Trusivraj
02-09-2017, 12:27 AM
any news ?

I'm shooting quite consistently today, however, there's been a we bit of server lag, that's frustrating me, in which my skills aren't going off the very second I hit the button. 1 problem seems to have gotten better (still not shootin as fast as I used to) now I have this issue. ~.~

Ubi
02-09-2017, 03:51 AM
Been leveling my other skills to 55 to finish them, but am still geared for archer. Tried to do some library last night with the double XP and it's just painful. The absurdly slow fire rate of endless arrows needs to be addressed, even if it's just to tell us to reroll or that they are "looking into it".

Trusivraj
02-09-2017, 05:43 AM
Been leveling my other skills to 55 to finish them, but am still geared for archer. Tried to do some library last night with the double XP and it's just painful. The absurdly slow fire rate of endless arrows needs to be addressed, even if it's just to tell us to reroll or that they are "looking into it".

Last time archers started to reroll, I got a leg bow 60% off. Can I try for #2? :p

Darkshinera
02-09-2017, 07:34 AM
7400 Gs archery there witout p2w . so its realy full time playing for have this gear ... 2 week and not any reply from trion ... isn't hard to just reply , why put forum or bug one if no one reply ...

Trusivraj
02-09-2017, 09:49 AM
7400 Gs archery there witout p2w . so its realy full time playing for have this gear ... 2 week and not any reply from trion ... isn't hard to just reply , why put forum or bug one if no one reply ...

I feel your pain my man, it's one of the most upsetting parts about having a group of devs that aren't passionate about the game like we are. (unless they're all being told to hush up or be fired) then, we have the issue of each dev actually being passionate to each class to have accurate confirmation about skill issues. (An under geared dev archer, that never played archery, isn't going to know what the problem is, because their archer just sucks) at the same time, some abilities just have obvious red flags to their animations. Then there's the issue of some odd server lag going on, that causes my skills to go off nearly a second after pressing them, and this has never been an issue till recently.

Seether
02-10-2017, 09:56 AM
Im still seeing massive slowness on my EA...you guys?

Trusivraj
02-10-2017, 10:05 AM
Im still seeing massive slowness on my EA...you guys?

Its so hard to determine that, depending where u live, and if they are toying with the ping-based skill fixes or not.. My arrows feel tons better as of yesterday, but still alittle slower than normal.

Seether
02-10-2017, 10:11 AM
^ California here...got a pretty good stable connection. Was watching my recordings (i always play same time of day) to determine - though guess that's not entierly accurate but since i play on a dead server and at a dead time its usually consistent.

Ubi
02-10-2017, 11:59 AM
Endless arrows is still unbearably slow. I get that some people had trouble with it based on skill que, but I am not one of those. The speed of the arrows would lag or stutter if my wife was on Netflix, but when nothing else was streaming it was great (roughly 10 arrows per second).

Whatever they did about 2 weeks ago made it so that I couldn't play archery. 3 to 5 arrows per second, always the same slow animation (and matching combat log, only 3 to 5 attacks). And, pretty regularly, while holding the button down to auto endless arrows, it just stops. I have to completely let off my keyboard before it starts working again. This isn't my computer, as this does not happen when I auto flamebolt.

Darkshinera
02-10-2017, 12:02 PM
yep we all know there something happen but we w8 for any reply ... they cant' told to us EA is fine , cause isn't , but we w8 cause not any fu cking GM can reply there. cause not any Reel GM are in the forum :)

Darkshinera
02-11-2017, 04:53 PM
up

Darkshinera
02-13-2017, 05:08 PM
movie isn't the best i can do , but i do it fast i can


www.youtube/watch?v=ul25TDCK0TI

i put in the movie all dps we loose every second from 2.9EU/NA > 3.0EU/NA , and 3.5Kr from 3.0EU/NA , i have same ping same buff for see the probleme

Loose 10.90% dps every second +- with just 3x Thwart ( 3.0EU/NA vs 3.5KR )
Loose 18.66% dps every second +- with just 3x Thwart + Freerunner + whrilwind's blessing + bloody chantey ( 3.0EU/NA vs 3.5KR )
Loose 21.31% dps every second +- with just 3x Thwart + Freerunner + whrilwind's blessing ( 2.9EU/NA vs 3.0 EU/NA )

so with this movie you can't told anymore there is not probleme and its ping probleme cause the 21.31% loose are in the SAME serveurs !

so i think we loose like 20% average dps in full attack speed buff every SECOND

Darkshinera
02-14-2017, 12:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f-Z3XpGNJg Kr 3.5 endless arrow