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Diamante
09-15-2020, 06:14 AM
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Hello, everyone!

We would like to inform you about the feedback we received from our community survey regarding item sales in ArcheAge: Unchained. We truly appreciate the feedback you gave us as it helps to understand the demands of our community. Based on the majority's vote, we'll make a few changes to the Marketplace and ArchePass in collaboration with XLGames.

We will be testing these changes for some time – this means that nothing is set in stone and subject to change at any time. We encourage you to give us feedback regarding these changes here in the official feedback thread.

We would like to explain the term “Pay-to-Win" item because we have found out that this might lead to confusion. A “Pay-to-Win" item gives an ultimate advantage over someone who does not own this or a similar item. So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.

We will offer a fair gameplay environment for everyone regardless of their playtime, therefore improving the quality of life experience. This will also further improve the overall adventure that is ArcheAge: Unchained and make it the perfect environment for all of our players.

To convey a better impression of the changes, we will be as open and transparent with you as possible. To emphasize that point, we are providing you with the following list of categories with a few item examples that will be available for Credit purchases this week:


Bound Anywhere Warehouse
Personal Any-Post Owl
Bound Arcane XP Restoration Scroll
Synthium Soap
Saving Pendant

These items will offer more options in different item categories but will not offer a Pay-to-Win advantage. These items will increase the quality of your time spent in ArcheAge: Unchained and provide a fair chance of progression for everyone. Please note, these items will not be removed from the Diligence Store and will exist alongside its Credit counterparts.

Along with this change, exciting new updates are coming to ArcheAge: Unchained! Soon, you can experience the long awaited 'Farmhand system', explore a new great zone with exciting Raid, and not to be left out, lore junkies can hunker down and dive to new depths in the 'Chronicle Quests'.


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Valakas
09-15-2020, 10:58 AM
Yes you are right it's not p2w but agree with me that you can't compare purchase 50 items for 50 dollars with 50 items for 500k honor. To get 500k honor you need 2 months while for 50 dollars you need 2h of work? As far as you limit the amount and make it close to in game option its fair but when you sell item for 1 dollar while alternative cost 24h playtime it's not p2w but still dirty and easily can be compared to p2w

Prismateria
09-15-2020, 11:08 AM
These changes seem reasonable to me. Good job getting feedback from the community beforehand.

Applejax
09-15-2020, 11:45 AM
So when you said you took the feedback from the survey on these items then decided to charge for Garden DLC instead you meant charge for them in addition to the DLC? Most people will be fine with this stuff, but they should've been in there from the start then. Most people will (for good reason) see this as the easing in of PTW items cause nobody trusts you. Your definition of PTW is not the community's definition. Based on your definition if I can get an Erernor Scepter in game then it's not PTW if you sell it straight up too?

TehSaboteur
09-15-2020, 03:51 PM
That definition opens the door to add any item to the cash shop, as long as you can obtain the item in game. Paying for convenience is pay to win, it's just to what degree. Some items are not as big of deal but the community should have a say in what gets put in. You say that is an example of the items, why not post the whole list for the community to judge?

FriendlyEnemy
09-15-2020, 05:22 PM
It looks like we are skipping to 7.0, so will the update that adds 20% tax for trade, mail and auction house be included in our version?

It wasnt well received in Korea and wont be welcomed here aswell.

Living Steel
09-16-2020, 06:54 AM
pay to win is anything that grants an ingame advantage or save a player time to achieve. All of the above items listed require time to get for a player not lookign to pay for in game advantages. was that not the empasis on the unchained version of this game, to be fair to all players and have the same advantages to gain items. buy placing items like the above in the cash shop, people can just swipe and have what they want... if you all need more cash from the payers to fund your bussinees then lets add more cosmetic options and items, hair cuts, tatoes, etc.. more weapon and armor images. or even adjust the prices on the current items, like i got to spend 40$ on credits to get like 1 of the higher priced costumes already and some of them cant even be dyed or dont have alternate apearances. try selling items liek character slot expansions instead of just giving them away. for real though, if i wanted to buy stuff from the market that provided me with an ingame difference and not just some costmetic feature, i would of probbaly stayed on legacy. but i came to unchained becouse of the "promoted" thought of having to game for what i wanted and not just swipe for it.

tbh even having a starage chest inyour market is an unfair advantage to somone that need to earn their dillegence to get it. was the point of unchained...

Zero Kelvin
09-16-2020, 07:02 AM
RE: P2W

Look, where do you draw the line on this? i.e. If one spends $50 to get some item(s) that give near instant advantage, versus the only other way to achieve the same amount of item(s) within the game = 50 hours of game play potentially AGAINST players who are a higher gear score due to the purchase of said items?

Are you saying that in order to compete in the PvP landscape when it comes to gear score, one is simply SOL if they don't have 50 hours to play the game versus $50 to stay on par with those dumping money into the game for those items....?

Living Steel
09-16-2020, 07:16 AM
awesome aniversary events though! im guessing the food on the feasting table isnt for us? :confused:

TehSaboteur
09-16-2020, 07:21 AM
You could apply that same "P2W" definition to the legacy servers and get the same justification of adding power to the cash shop. Just because you have the means to grind and grind for an item in game it doesn't justify adding a pay for convenience option to the cash shop and call it not P2W. If you promoted the server and promised no pay to win for unchained then you have to stick to that promise. If you want to add these QoL items into the game and alter/break your original promise then it should be voted on by the community. That being said, a defined line needs to be drawn and stuck too for not adding items into the cash shop that breaks the game. Items that can add power to your character or breaks an economic portion of the game should be strictly prohibited.

Living Steel
09-16-2020, 07:38 AM
Just because you have the means to grind and grind for an item in game it doesn't justify adding a pay for convenience option to the cash shop and call it not P2W. thats exactly what pay to win is.. you have the ability to get it in game by putting in a few extra hours or what not, and poof it can just be baught with cash... =p2w :rolleyes:

TehSaboteur
09-16-2020, 07:43 AM
thats exactly what pay to win is.. you have the ability to get it in game by putting in a few extra hours or what not, and poof it can just be baught with cash... =p2w :rolleyes:

They believe that an item has to solely be only available in the cash shop and no where else to be considered P2W, which is absurd.

Esperro
09-16-2020, 09:54 AM
Ok then if you do this, take my owl-post and give me back my 400 diligence i'll buy it for crystals

btw it's p2w

Sprobe
09-16-2020, 12:41 PM
I'd like to give you back my warehouse, owl and saving pendants, give u credits and u reimburse my diligence ok?

Turambaredolas
09-16-2020, 02:00 PM
Before I start what I want to say let me give an answer to the question:
How is p2w defined in games like Archeage?

My definition is the one I hear most of the time from other players as well:

Something is considered pay to win when spending money allows you to
(1) buy endgame items (which hasn't ever been the case in AA as far as I can remember)
(2) speed up your progress directly (e.g. infusions on legacy)
(3) sell something to get gold and speed up your progress indirectly (e.g. APEX on legacy) or
(4) bypass playing certain parts of the game (e.g. you don't need to grind honor, vocation, etc)

Keeping in mind those three points there are some quite heavy p2w aspects on Unchained even though some of the may not be as obvious:

Gold selling and buying is more alive than ever and based on the amount of people who openly admit of having bought gold the numbers of players having bought gold at least once should be somewhere between 50%-90%. This is the main core of p2w on Unchained and the publisher does not even see anything of the money that is transfered there. It's not gamigo's fault for 'allowing p2w in their game' but it is their fault for not making sure that this form of player-driven p2w is not punished (or not enough - because in some cases it is enforced)
3 account rule: You are allowed to buy additional accounts to get a theoretical increase of +200% of your daily income. This is even more important when there are people buying additional accounts directly or from other players, which again breaks other rules as well. Every single additional character is able to participate in events and dailies and is also a source of sellable honor, vocation, diligence and any other currency which can be turned into gold.
You can turn certain items into images and put them onto tradable items to sell them. It was obvious from the start for armor and weapon pieces because making them only "bound" can easily be bypassed. However even the huge change about making costumes untradable is nullified by being able to craft a certain tradable costume (because even if it is expensive to craft, it still allows you to bypass this anti-p2w system).
Having paid DLCs is fine as long as they DON'T allow the buyer to progress in any way differently from someone who does not buy it. However, the Garden DLC allows the player to have a sped-up progress on hiram T4 and access awakening scrolls for T5 which cannot be gained in any other way without buying the DLC.
Premium Archepass: It is ok to have access to costumes and image items (except for the points mentioned above), but having free amounts of hereafter stones and getting experience on the title level is still p2w even if it is a very low form. However there are more concerns about the usefulness of the current premium passes as pointed out by Gamepro03 (click (http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience))
The shop has items that fall under "(4) bypass playing certain parts of the game" and is getting more as we can see with this announcement. If I have the option to buy for example a Bound Anywhere Warehouse for 300 diligence coins and I am now given the option to buy it for money, it means that I can buy something else instead like 10 Expension Scrolls and sell them for 500g (current price of my server).
In order to avoid this problem it should be that any item on the shop for credits or on the website for money should not be obtainable in any other way in the game.


PS: @Diamante
Was this thread really meant to be in the Official Discussion chat so we could actually talk about it or should it have been under News &Announcements like almost all other posts like this?

Adryss
09-16-2020, 06:42 PM
We would like to explain the term “Pay-to-Win" item because we have found out that this might lead to confusion. A “Pay-to-Win" item gives an ultimate advantage over someone who does not own this or a similar item. So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.

So in other words, you feel it is all right to put Eternal T3 Erenor gear in the cash shop because you can get it in game. That's not "pay to win" in your eyes?

Then tell me - what the hell did I pay $50 for? If I wanted this "not pay to win" system I'd play on legacy.

Struggler
09-16-2020, 11:10 PM
This is a horrible idea.

The mailbox costs 400 diligence.
That 400 diligence can be put for Srendipity stones or Decrystalization scrolls which offer a direct in-game advantage.
Your definition of p2w seems to just be biased.

What you're essentially saying is "It's okay to put an Erenor weapon on the cash shop because there is another way in-game to get it."

Instead of fixing real issues like the 30k honor price on Serendipity stones you guys are thinking of more ways to make the game more miserable than what it already is.

Get a grip.

LaughingLadyB
09-17-2020, 07:11 AM
Btw, we can not craft the mailbox and sell in game on AH to make gold as merchant price is only 10 copper. :(

Turambaredolas
09-17-2020, 11:51 AM
Since the marketplace just went live with those changes:

Where is the logic in having the same credit price for the warehouse and post owl, but have a different diligence price?

xinec
09-17-2020, 12:36 PM
Add Erenor gear & gold on credits, not p2w, you can get them ingame by crafting & farming :)

Dezmerel
09-17-2020, 08:17 PM
It would be awesome if the different pet auto-loot was added. For just the quality of life value while playing the game I'd spend $20 a month. I imagine lots of others would as well.

morfy
09-18-2020, 07:30 AM
"So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics."

There's two possible explanations for this sentence.

One, you are honest, and you are way out of touch. How could you forget that Archeage unchained has been built with the philosophy of not repeating the mistake of Archeage legacy. One of the main betrayal of Archeage legacy was the implementation of thunder tree in the shop (You can have them in the game). So you are basically saying this kind of behavior is fine.
Or, your economic model ain't working, and you try something to get more money. So you play with words and try to get more money out of the cashshop even though you do know that it's not fair.

All in all, i trusted you, after being betrayed twice by trion. Cause you said it was a new team and that we will never see this kind of behavior. If you keep pushing towards this direction, i feel like we need to think about taking legal actions as it looks like a scam. Again.

mikroman
09-18-2020, 02:04 PM
Synthium Soap = you sell "strategic resources" vs real money. Soap is expensive vendor item = you sell in game money vs real money.
If game uses limited resources and you sell extra resources vs real money that is p2w.

But AAU has other problems. You launched "New" server than you did everything to destroy the advantages of "new server". You push many contents to accelerate progression You gave us everything for free. Example: High-end "tech" items and houses vs spending labors.
You sold 3 accounts/player and 2 regions/account. You made problems worst. This is not fun, this is repetitive work in the factory in this system. This changes make game meaningless.

Edwardo
09-18-2020, 04:46 PM
We would like to explain the term “Pay-to-Win" item because we have found out that this might lead to confusion. A “Pay-to-Win" item gives an ultimate advantage over someone who does not own this or a similar item. So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.

This is a rather convenient definition of P2W given that it lets you do pretty much whatever you want.

Even if I accepted the general view of this definition, which I don't, it is entirely missing any recognition that the amount of time and effort that goes into getting the item another way needs to be equitable.

One of the biggest issues with AA is that the 'other way' has always been too much effort and takes too much time. It takes more time than can be achieved between content updates. This means that P2W is always kept ahead of everyone else. So sure you can achieve all those items through other means, but never in a way that lets you catch up and play on an even playing field as those that pay for the items. This means the entire thing is P2W and always has been, regardless of your silly definition.

Adelphi
09-19-2020, 01:13 AM
These changes are awesome thank you much appreciated, love the fact we can now buy the warehouse and post owl on any toon, not seen the soap, i know ppl already sell on the AH but why can't we buy for credits then if we want another convenience thing, to me all these things are convenience, auto loot for credit would be great also.

i'd like to see the archpass rewards for premium side rewards higher then the standard side u give to much away for free in that standard side, the price at 1,500 credits is great and extremely fair considering rewards, 1,500 credits is not a lot considering how long that archepass last but we have to make it so ppl are compelled to buy it and presently they are getting far to much for free, i hate to say it but it's pretty obvious it can't carry on like that if u want to make money, yes i want it fair cause i buy it but it's presently far to generous for free.

ppl take the meaning of p2w to far and we need to be able to buy some things especially convenience items.

i'd like to see a lot more stuff in the credit store, decor items like the mushroom pack i've been waiting months for its return.

lel i was there with the thunderstruck trees.

the age old adage you can't please all the ppl all of the time, lets just coast.... ;) :p

Feroste
09-19-2020, 10:09 PM
♥♥♥♥ you.
If someone can pay for progress, that is pay to win.
If I have to work hundreds of hours for an item and someone else can buy it for $20. That is P2W
This is what ruined regular archeage and it's sad that this game has so much potential but instead of development.
Instead of opening library back up, instead of content.
You're just going to milk the playerbase for whales.
I'm done with this game.

Feroste
09-19-2020, 10:17 PM
i feel like we need to think about taking legal actions as it looks like a scam. Again.

I'm not sure about German truth in advertising laws.
But in the US this would be grounds for a class action lawsuit. They even changed their store page on steam.

What happened to
"ArcheAge: Unchained makes the whole, diverse world of the original ArcheAge available to everybody.
Without powerful premium content, the game offers an equal playing field for every style of player.

Power and progression are limited only by your own ambitions."


At the very least I'll be changing my review to a negative one, request a refund, and report you to steam for false advertising

I did a little looking into Gamigo's parent "Media and Games Invest, plc" and boy are they sketchy. Their own majority ownership is through some no-name corp HQ'd in Malta which is basically an EU tax haven. Their Chairman's background pretty much screams "NOT A GAMER" and they're a tiny company by investment group standards. None of that leads me to believe they'd actually have the desire or resources to actually improve Gamigo and its products in any way. lol

Beeef
09-24-2020, 08:55 AM
I think I speak for the ENTIRE stena population when I say we want $1 serendipity stones. All in all this game is a business transaction. you give us 20 serendipity stones, and we give you 20 bucks. I have no idea why this deal isn't happening. Both parties get EXACTLY what they want. It just seems irrational-- so let's make it happen. Let's not leave any money on the table.

LiucK
09-24-2020, 08:55 AM
Don't put labor pot in the marketplace(that's bad), if you want an idea of what you could put for credits without making 90% of the community mad it should be stuff like : autolootpowerstone (permanent) those armor conversion scrolls (BOUND) so that if someone is not happy with his gear choice he can change, paying of course a fair price; multipurpose work bench;

ShindaNeko
09-24-2020, 09:15 AM
Im just here to say that adding labor and that vocation scroll to the marketplace is what i call p2w (even at 1 time purchase) this and the way the "definition" of p2w changed it just tells me that this is going to get worse and just kill what aau was meant to be and end becoming a worse copy of legacy.

Gamepro03
09-24-2020, 09:47 AM
The addition of labor recharging to the cash shop in AAU not even a year since the server was released shows that gamigo's management continues to lack an understanding about the base game and the playerbase. Especially with gamigo releasing their opinion about what "P2W" is is completely unacceptable, because this definition is one defined by the playerbase of any given game and it is the company’s goal to work around it, not define it.

Whether or not it is intended to continue adding progression items to the marketplace of AAU does not matter. The psychology behind what was done today is that the players are losing faith in the standards of AAU, and that faith is extremely hard to repair.

Please gamigo, work with your community directly to create a better, more positive marketplace experience. Hire staff that plays Archeage and wants both Archeage AND gamigo to succeed (and listen to your staff that already does actively play!). Hire marketing team members with an understanding of gaming psychology. Take suggestions from the community and revolutionize the MMO marketplace experience (such as mine here (http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience)). Remove the labor rechargers, stop this idea of needing to add progression items to the marketplace, and in an effort to help restore the faith of the Archeage community, please put out a formal written note to the community that this direction was a mistake.

Adelphi
09-24-2020, 12:14 PM
Its 1 labor charger it's never going to break the game, i'd like 5 really for that price but oh well it's a start, as the amount of labor i go through is insane, the 100 bound tax certs that very nice, 3 building management titles great, 1 expansion scroll and the vocation support scrolls, i believe this packs going in the diligence store too which is extremely fair as well, for me i don't mind to me none of that's p2w or not on any level that's game breaking. We have to balance cost with value at 2500 credits it's obviously priced so u cant keep buying it, for me for what it is seems quite expensive, so undecided on value for credits, the tax certs do save 3600 labor if ur famed or more if ur not so its not a bad deal, i'd love to buy decrystallization scrolls got no honor and no diligence so no labor on stena fs cause of no archpass it's going to be bleak for the next few weeks, so i welcome any help in that direction. :D :)

aawww i want the adorable hedgehog

Gamepro03
10-01-2020, 09:30 AM
Gamigo once again, you're proving that the marketing team has no clue how the game works and what P2W is.

Introducing this into the marketplace: https://i.imgur.com/tbsXyv8.png Invalidates growing crops that produce Orchard Puree, Ground Grain, Chopped Produce, Dried Flowers, Medicinal Powder, Ground Spices, and Wild Ginseng. Invaliding gameplay mechanics is worse than P2W.

Please see my previous post- if you're hurting for an income you need to spend extra effort and create a reliable source of longterm income using gameplay mechanics available to you. Brainstorm and follow through with ideas that do so, such as this: http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

Ripping apart the game for Archeage Unchained when it was originally advertised as the Credit Shop only including cosmetic and convenience items has now confirmed lost the players trust for Gamigo. I'm included in that. See previous post for additional suggestions and alternatives, but please WORK WITH US directly to make this game better and create a more positive marketplace experience for everyone, not just your company alone. We matter too.

Turambaredolas
10-01-2020, 11:01 AM
Gamigo once again, you're proving that the marketing team has no clue how the game works and what P2W is.

Introducing this into the marketplace: https://i.imgur.com/tbsXyv8.png Invalidates growing crops that produce Orchard Puree, Ground Grain, Chopped Produce, Dried Flowers, Medicinal Powder, Ground Spices, and Wild Ginseng. Invaliding gameplay mechanics is worse than P2W.

Please see my previous post- if you're hurting for an income you need to spend extra effort and create a reliable source of longterm income using gameplay mechanics available to you. Brainstorm and follow through with ideas that do so, such as this: http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

Ripping apart the game for Archeage Unchained when it was originally advertised as the Credit Shop only including cosmetic and convenience items has now confirmed lost the players trust for Gamigo. I'm included in that. See previous post for additional suggestions and alternatives, but please WORK WITH US directly to make this game better and create a more positive marketplace experience for everyone, not just your company alone. We matter too.

I agree 100%.

morfy
10-02-2020, 01:01 PM
Gamigo once again, you're proving that the marketing team has no clue how the game works and what P2W is.

Introducing this into the marketplace: https://i.imgur.com/tbsXyv8.png Invalidates growing crops that produce Orchard Puree, Ground Grain, Chopped Produce, Dried Flowers, Medicinal Powder, Ground Spices, and Wild Ginseng. Invaliding gameplay mechanics is worse than P2W.

Please see my previous post- if you're hurting for an income you need to spend extra effort and create a reliable source of longterm income using gameplay mechanics available to you. Brainstorm and follow through with ideas that do so, such as this: http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

Ripping apart the game for Archeage Unchained when it was originally advertised as the Credit Shop only including cosmetic and convenience items has now confirmed lost the players trust for Gamigo. I'm included in that. See previous post for additional suggestions and alternatives, but please WORK WITH US directly to make this game better and create a more positive marketplace experience for everyone, not just your company alone. We matter too.

I agree too. But dont expect too much from them. They willingly introduced those gameplay breaker/P2W items, they were aware (after all that happened to Archeage legacy) that the moment they would do such a thing, they admit they are scammer.

Wervdon
10-05-2020, 02:18 PM
We would like to explain the term “Pay-to-Win" item because we have found out that this might lead to confusion. A “Pay-to-Win" item gives an ultimate advantage over someone who does not own this or a similar item. So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.


I don't mean any offense, but this this is an absolutely ridicules definition of "Pay-to-Win". You basically are saying that anything that can be earned in game is fair game to sell for cash, because you can earn it without spending cash. So basically, as long as it's "possible" to "win" by not spending cash, it's completely acceptable to sell "winning" for cash. How again is that not _exactly_ paying to win?

zyzolol
10-05-2020, 07:40 PM
100% Pay 2 Win.


How many times can you re-release a game with broken promises?

How many scams and lies does it take?

Mister Love
10-13-2020, 12:15 PM
I honestly don't care about finding a way to make this a 10 dollar a month game. Just having online capabilities with xbox and playstation costs like 10 dollars a month. What I have a problem with is that this archpass looks like it will take forever to get labor or dilligence and seems incredibly unrewarding. The old archpass ended too soon and the basic archpass went on for a really long time. Labor is just too slow (and dont tell me "this is archeage" bc old archeage was buying labor pots) New players can't work towards a mount, glider, etc. There are no deco items. A new player will take a super long time to save for the mansion treehouse or car(like almost a year). If this was the norm in the beginning, that is one thing. Changing it now to THIS rewards no one but those at the very top, and that is because it doesn't negatively affect them while keeping newer players down.

Insurrection
10-13-2020, 12:19 PM
where is Khrolan @iArches When i buy AAU few month ago, I was promised a premium archepass only with cosmetics I want explanations !

Put diligence in Premium ticket is a big joke, we will ask a consumer association now , it's over to be scammed by the publishers of this game.

Beeef
10-13-2020, 12:20 PM
The problem I have with the archepass is that you're asking players to pay money for less things that we already get for free. You're asking existing players to pay money, not for convenience or cosmetic things, but for existing free content. It feels dishonest and exploitative. I really hope these changes to archepass don't make it on to live.

Nimuebr
10-13-2020, 12:40 PM
Once i came back to archeage, after some years out (cause of excessive p2w on legacy), i would love Gamigo keep the promisse/deal or whatever u guys wanna call what was announced when u said 'no progress stuffs for credits'. I feel really cheated by u guys and i only came back to the game cause of Unchained promissed no p2w. What about a premium pass with more things on premium (and a lot of progress stuffs)????? That doesnt make any sense and on my point of view its bad faith and configurate a problem with the community.

Shs
10-13-2020, 12:40 PM
First of all, the prime directive of Archeage Unchainned is that it is NOT p2w and this new archepass is TOTALLY P2W. Period.

Old archepass is just fine, everyone is doing it with no problem at all!

"We have heard a lot of concerns from the community that the ArchePass took too long to complete, thus we decided to get rid of our old system of having the 3 separate passes. Now, the seasonal pass can be completed in the shorter time frame and will rotate more often."

I completed all archepass doing just 1 quest like everyone else, I dont know where did you guys got this feedback that this takes too long, but lets be clear here

3 passes each 3 months
changed to
1 pass each 2 months

?!?!?!

That doesnt make sense at all

8 labor recharge each 2 months?!

anyway I could talk here for days about everything that is wrong about this archepass, just roll back and put the normal archepass that everyone is doing and its fine.

IF you guys wants to improve captalization with premium archepass, IF:

There is a forum here were 1 guy fixed the problem with premium archepass were everyone would like to buy even without a single p2w item on it.

He literally gave the full blueprint with all instructions to do. just search

Hyerim
10-13-2020, 12:59 PM
I don't think you guys actually understand, what you are doing. When u launched a game u had big slogans attached to it, such as we, players say it's pay to win, how it's unbalanced, how you can buy advantage etc. It's not even about promises, it's about what we paid for. You striked us with dlcs, we agreed, to keep the game we wanted to play alive, wihout p2w cash shop, without exploits etc, even tho many of us, YOUR CUSTOMERS had already red flags alert all over. You said you wanna add some items in cash shop - we were even more angry, but we took it with a grain (or a whole ounce) of salt. But what you are doing with the archpass atm, is seriously the last strike to loose leftovers of your player base. You maybe will end up with playerbase simmilar to legacy, no more no less. We do not want archpass to be shorter and less rewarding - we don't want to wait months in between archpass resets. Yes, most of us like the 3 tier archpass. Yes, majority of us would like to stay with current model. The new archpass you presented is absolute garbage - not rewarding, not worth paying for for any older player, absolutely too long to complete and the fact, that you suddenly cut the dilligence is the proof you completly do not understand your own game and customers - you know you cannot adjust prices, cause older players with hoarded 2k + dilli will buy everything out, you cut out potential new players from getting into the game without paying for micros in game THEY HAD TO PURCHASE. Sorry to say it, but this decision is a crucial one to this game and the next ones you publish, so think twice if this short termed cash grab is worth it, cuz if you gonna publish AA2 in future, it may happen that none of us is gonna trust you again just cause of this one small phuckup.

MatKaylin
10-13-2020, 01:03 PM
I say no to pay2win. I left legacy for the equal opportunity that AAU was promised to provide.

No to the new Archepass premium track.

Shs
10-13-2020, 01:05 PM
SOLUTION FOUND!

http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

Shs
10-13-2020, 01:10 PM
if you guys are really in need to increase the incomming of AAU, even tho its 4 times larger than legacy by gamigo balance report itself, that can do just fine without a single p2w item

Taelix
10-13-2020, 01:20 PM
You wanted feedback, here is mine. You broke terms of sale with Garden being paid content, you broke terms of sale adding in P2W items to the cash shop (you don't get to decide what the term pay to win means btw), and now you're breaking it again with the new archepass. I want a full refund for every account and cosmetic item that EVERY player has purchased, and I know my wife sure does love those cosmetics. Thanks.

Shs
10-13-2020, 01:26 PM
You wanted feedback, here is mine. You broke terms of sale with Garden being paid content, you broke terms of sale adding in P2W items to the cash shop (you don't get to decide what the term pay to win means btw), and now you're breaking it again with the new archepass. I want a full refund for every account and cosmetic item that EVERY player has purchased, and I know my wife sure does love those cosmetics. Thanks.

Can we charge back? is that an option?

Seni
10-13-2020, 01:41 PM
This is scammy ♥♥♥♥ and is going to cause a mass exodus from this game. It'll go the same way Legacy did. This is the kind of ♥♥♥♥ that got Trion sued.

TehSaboteur
10-13-2020, 01:42 PM
Those "Convince items" have rolled down hill into full progression items. This is how you lose your player base/income. Fix it before everyone leaves.

PrimusLegion
10-13-2020, 01:43 PM
This archepass would be fantastic on a new server, however that just isn't the case.

Any newer returning/starting out in ArcheAge right now is going to have an impossible time attempting to gain ground on existing players that were getting 100k labor per pass, provided they were using alts.

Now, attempting to join in on an existing environment where the gear gap takes months worth of labor just to infuse is relatively impossible for someone to do. There is effectively no catch-up mechanic. Also, considering getting gear to a "relevant" gearscore is a year-long backwards uphill battle, newer players will be discouraged from trying before they even try and the existing fully-geared or latter tier players end up being the only base that slowly dwindles.

So in essence the population dies because no one new can enjoy it and those who can end up getting bored of a lack of things to do besides the normal daily grind.

This is far from the P2W of legacy, far by a LONG shot, but it dives down the slippery slope of players wanting to be able to buy credits from in-game currency, and we all know where that leads.

Queez
10-13-2020, 01:47 PM
Please don't add things to the marketplace/Archepass/Events that messes up the economy, like Mysterious Planthouse, Bound Alluvion Love or Bound Eco Fuel.

There is a (very small) demand for items like Orchard Puree, but because of the Mysterious Planthouses that everyone and their alts got from the archepass, there's way more supply than the demand. Like, way more. For a very long time. This makes planting crops/processing into Orchard Puree way less profitable to the point where it's virtually (and literally) been killed as an activity. The other ones (Ground Spices, Chopped Produce, etc.) has obviously been hit too. On top of it, you add the planthouses to the cash shop. Even if it's just for a limited time, what are you guys thinking?

Also, I got 3k Bound Alluvion Love from an event on my main. I don't see myself buying those anytime soon. You basically killed Alchemy with a single event.

If I didn't know any better, I'd assume that you're actively trying to kill the game. It's thunderstruck trees all over again. I have given up hope that you'd learn from previous mistakes. Urgh..

Blargety
10-13-2020, 01:51 PM
This archepass would be fantastic on a new server, however that just isn't the case.

Any newer returning/starting out in ArcheAge right now is going to have an impossible time attempting to gain ground on existing players that were getting 100k labor per pass, provided they were using alts.

Now, attempting to join in on an existing environment where the gear gap takes months worth of labor just to infuse is relatively impossible for someone to do. There is effectively no catch-up mechanic. Also, considering getting gear to a "relevant" gearscore is a year-long backwards uphill battle, newer players will be discouraged from trying before they even try and the existing fully-geared or latter tier players end up being the only base that slowly dwindles.

So in essence the population dies because no one new can enjoy it and those who can end up getting bored of a lack of things to do besides the normal daily grind.

This is far from the P2W of legacy, far by a LONG shot, but it dives down the slippery slope of players wanting to be able to buy credits from in-game currency, and we all know where that leads.

This. 100% this.

The only way to catch up to the Top 100 players is to exhaust every diligence coin you have on labor rechargers. Gear is 100% gated by the labor cost, there is no other gate stopping you from catching up and being able to compete. The Diligence Coin is the answer to that. While those top 100 players are primarily using those to get higher-end mounts and gliders, new players can use them to chug labor rechargers which allow them to -eventually- have a chance of gaining competitive gear that will allow them to fight back.

They'll permanently be behind in the glider/mount game, but they can at least use labor rechargers to gain the ground they need to stand against those players in the field. The new Archepass smashes new players %10,000. If the new Archepass does go live, I'll be turning the game off for good, as there will be no hope for me to catch up to those players in a reasonable enough time for it to be worth it to me. I'm not waiting 8 months for them to plateau and for myself to catch up to even be able to participate in meaningful and impactful PvP. I also refuse to be another "Piece of content" for those players who can one shot me at the damn community center.

I had the unfortunate circumstance of returning to Unchained directly after an event that boosted a large number of players on Stena. I have been playing flat out for six weeks in a full on-sprint, and still can't even survive a single cool-down from those players in our server Top 100, and that's primarily a result of the labor deficit I have when compared to those players. What even is the point of trying to get to the end game?

The only way this next Archepass is even remotely okay, is if we're allowed to unlock past incomplete Archepasses to unlock the rewards inside of them. In that way, the current archepass would act as a way to slow down the progression of longer standing players, while allowing the new/returning players a shot at catching up.

ShindaNeko
10-13-2020, 01:52 PM
That... just disable that crap of archepass, its literal p2w u cant deny that. disable that and work on fixing it.

Styxx
10-13-2020, 01:53 PM
1 Year of archpass
we have probs up and downs but at the end all was happy with the free pass
only the premuim was needing some chance to make all ppl happy
i was buying all premium archpasses by no so this is not a mimimi dont want to spend money on the game
but why you remove all the dilligence now ? how we shoude get stuff done now ? shoude we wait now 4 -5 month ( with out buying a labor regarger ) to get a mount was the hole idear of the archpass not that we get acces to the stuff that was befor in the creditshop with playing the game with out paying money for it
or was this also a not true we only sell cosmetics and now look at the archpass so much stuff that shoude be free behind a pay wall

befor we was getting 1100 Dilligence in 3 month now its only with paying 350 so wtf
instead of making the premium archpass so good that all want to buy it you chance the hole game systems and give us 2 days to talk about it sorry dont know any game that is acting like that

i realy think and hope that will cost you the most of your playerbase
and not only bacouse you lie to us again
you also dont care about feedback from us again

by now i was buying all archpasses i will not buy 1 of the new one and i realy hope noone will do

Ochre
10-13-2020, 01:56 PM
Why are we having to pay to get 350 diligence over 2 months, when before we were receiving 1110 diligence over 3 months for free?

If you want to monetize archepass thats fine, but at least give us MORE diligence, dont make us pay to receive less, that just feels like a slap in the face.

A better option would be to give 800 diligence over 2 months for the basic track, and 1500 diligence for the premium track.

Tog
10-13-2020, 01:58 PM
Hope these rewards are not set in stone for next archepass - they make me sad :< Lack of dili is disheartening as well compared to previous passes Also items for premium pass that will expire after some time are not something I am interested in paying money for especially when I do not use them now. Why not throw in a house design or something different. I do not want to spend a year trying to get a car in game from dili shop :<

Jasperaus
10-13-2020, 01:59 PM
the sole purpose for the premium archepass was for cosmetic items so there was no boost over any one at all, now its for gear improvement and auto loot items? how much of a change do you expect us to just roll over and take cause "everything is subject to change" this isn't what we paid for.

if this is a way to get people to catch up surely you could have put an archepass for new players for a month or 2 and then remove it not completely change the sole basis of the archepass for people to pay their way for an easy loot bot to gain even more gold than the average player.

yandere
10-13-2020, 02:10 PM
I have a few problems with the current changes and they mostly involve the marketplace and archepass changes.
First off is the marketplace changes. Adding things to the credit shop that can be crafted (and people thereby make their profits producing such materials) is wrong in every respect. Fuel and mysterious planthouses are a prime example of this. People who farm for profit may make fuel in the early game as its needed to run packs for gold. People who sell these can make a lot of gold. People also farm materials that the planthouses produce to make gold (whether its from blue salt packs or just selling the produce/grain/etc outright). By adding these to the credit shops people lose another way to make profit. Alchemy was already ruined due to the inflation of max tier potions due to a recent event, do not do the same for other proficiencies. Pay to win for most people is defined as buying your way out of a grind in any way or form. Selling serendipities for credits (which normally would cost 30k honor each) isn't a quality of life update but rather monetizing a product in high demand due to its exclusivity and necessitivity for rolling specific stats to your class type.
Next is the archepass changes.
People who were complaining about the passes taking too long to complete weren't complaining about it in that regard. A lot of people I've spoken with said it took long as in waiting every week to complete a small amount of tiers simply felt like a trickling of very small rewards every week. The original archepass though flawed allowed you to complete as much as you wanted on a daily basis. This made the pass feel more influential over gameplay and brought a purpose for converting from legacy to unchained (aside from the blatantly obvious reasons). People were playing more and involved more everyday doing their passes sometimes even partying up to do daily raids for their archepass completions. Now its solo completion as well as weekly 15 or so tiers as well as how vague the passes are make them uninvolving and actually hurt the game for being in the state its in. Though this was the case, getting around 1000 diligence per season as well as many goodies from the 135 potential tiers to complete made it impossible to pass up on. This is especially so if you are trying to get a head start in a new server. Now that there is 1 pass in every 2 month period with 19 tiers, why exactly would you do this? From overloading us with so many goodies and such with optional cosmetics and quality of life stuff (hereafters) on the paid side it was at least better than what is currently being proposed. This pass is not what people want at all. Not only that, but now one has to pay $10 to get the full amount of diligence they can get for that season which is still less than half of what one could potentially get from any season before it? There is a clear disconnect with what the company perceives to be good monetizing and what the people understand to be predative monetizing. This form of monetizing is very blatantly the latter. Wasn't dilligence supposed to be the currency that people could get items that were p2w before in legacy? The currency that would solve archeage legacy's predative monetizing by benefitting those who invest more time/spend their coins wisely? Wasn't that the point of releasing unchained in the first place? To be unchained from the shackles known as p2w? These decisions are contradictory to what this game was meant to be.

TL;DR the archepass was okay as it was but could be improved some other way. Adding crafted products to the credit shop take away from the economy.

Krosi
10-13-2020, 02:11 PM
Gamigo once again, you're proving that the marketing team has no clue how the game works and what P2W is.

Introducing this into the marketplace: https://i.imgur.com/tbsXyv8.png Invalidates growing crops that produce Orchard Puree, Ground Grain, Chopped Produce, Dried Flowers, Medicinal Powder, Ground Spices, and Wild Ginseng. Invaliding gameplay mechanics is worse than P2W.

Please see my previous post- if you're hurting for an income you need to spend extra effort and create a reliable source of longterm income using gameplay mechanics available to you. Brainstorm and follow through with ideas that do so, such as this: http://forums.archeagegame.com/showt...ace-Experience

Ripping apart the game for Archeage Unchained when it was originally advertised as the Credit Shop only including cosmetic and convenience items has now confirmed lost the players trust for Gamigo. I'm included in that. See previous post for additional suggestions and alternatives, but please WORK WITH US directly to make this game better and create a more positive marketplace experience for everyone, not just your company alone. We matter too.

Thiccy
10-13-2020, 02:13 PM
New archepass is horrible.
The problem I have with the archepass is that you're asking players to pay money for less things that we already get for free. You're asking existing players to pay money, not for convenience or cosmetic things, but for existing free content. It feels dishonest and exploitative. I really hope these changes to archepass don't make it on to live.

themightythree
10-13-2020, 02:13 PM
Alright lets be clear about something, there's a lot of evidence you guys love to shoot first and pretend to ask questions later. I guess the unpaid intern who determines your business model didn't account that most people wouldnt want to buy more than one 40 dollar costume.


Regardless let's jump into posting near unread feedback.

You need to be clear about "more frequently"

Is it monthly? bi-monthly? It's literally damaging to withhold the estimated frequency. You say there's an upcoming one in November, do you mean it's going to be made or released in November? The PTS date shows december as the end date. you really gotta clarify.

I dunno who was given the list of items to potentially slap into the archepass but they need to remove the ♥♥♥♥ty rewards such as the handful of blue infusions granted (100? 85%< easily of the playerbase based on leaderboards can trash that at this point. every rank should be good and worthwhile.
New players shouldnt even need this with garden introduced. Even with it gone its like a few territory coins worth, that could be a few days or even just a days worth..

They need to realize that 70 kyrios badges is literally NOTHING as it's one of the most singularly needed in mass currencies. Should be 500 badges a month imo. 5000 badges in 10 months wouldnt even get you the max title, gallant horse or turtlecraft. Same with ONE serendipity, like what? weak. We're in desperate need of a decently priced permanent solution to the lack of stones.

Last but not least you've removed almost all gold from archepass in the forms of costume stones. That's a biggie, so to make up for it I believe all rewards should be tradable, including the unique one and the unique pet/mount/glider whatever should be moved to the non premium pass. The gargoyle wings being tradable was never a bad thing, it allowed people to get them after the pass was over and let people sell the rewards on alts that did not want or need them in favor for preferable gold.

bobthebuilda
10-13-2020, 02:15 PM
Gamigo once again, you're proving that the marketing team has no clue how the game works and what P2W is.

Introducing this into the marketplace: https://i.imgur.com/tbsXyv8.png Invalidates growing crops that produce Orchard Puree, Ground Grain, Chopped Produce, Dried Flowers, Medicinal Powder, Ground Spices, and Wild Ginseng. Invaliding gameplay mechanics is worse than P2W.

Please see my previous post- if you're hurting for an income you need to spend extra effort and create a reliable source of longterm income using gameplay mechanics available to you. Brainstorm and follow through with ideas that do so, such as this: http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

Ripping apart the game for Archeage Unchained when it was originally advertised as the Credit Shop only including cosmetic and convenience items has now confirmed lost the players trust for Gamigo. I'm included in that. See previous post for additional suggestions and alternatives, but please WORK WITH US directly to make this game better and create a more positive marketplace experience for everyone, not just your company alone. We matter too.

100% agree with this.

Newphonewhodis
10-13-2020, 02:16 PM
"So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics."

There's two possible explanations for this sentence.

One, you are honest, and you are way out of touch. How could you forget that Archeage unchained has been built with the philosophy of not repeating the mistake of Archeage legacy. One of the main betrayal of Archeage legacy was the implementation of thunder tree in the shop (You can have them in the game). So you are basically saying this kind of behavior is fine.
Or, your economic model ain't working, and you try something to get more money. So you play with words and try to get more money out of the cashshop even though you do know that it's not fair.

All in all, i trusted you, after being betrayed twice by trion. Cause you said it was a new team and that we will never see this kind of behavior. If you keep pushing towards this direction, i feel like we need to think about taking legal actions as it looks like a scam. Again.

Taelix
10-13-2020, 02:16 PM
I was told by iArches to post this here so here it goes.

Can I request a hold on the upcoming archepass and a survey that EVERYONE can vote on and see the result of? Can you pass that idea to the bosses based on current feedback?

But seeing as the forums are viewed and monitored by iArches and the other CM's I don't see how asking them on here is different from asking them on discord.

Zazima
10-13-2020, 02:17 PM
Exclamation You must be kidding!!!
First of all, the prime directive of Archeage Unchainned is that it is NOT p2w and this new archepass is TOTALLY P2W. Period.

Old archepass is just fine, everyone is doing it with no problem at all!

"We have heard a lot of concerns from the community that the ArchePass took too long to complete, thus we decided to get rid of our old system of having the 3 separate passes. Now, the seasonal pass can be completed in the shorter time frame and will rotate more often."

I completed all archepass doing just 1 quest like everyone else, I dont know where did you guys got this feedback that this takes too long, but lets be clear here

3 passes each 3 months
changed to
1 pass each 2 months

?!?!?!

That doesnt make sense at all

8 labor recharge each 2 months?!

anyway I could talk here for days about everything that is wrong about this archepass, just roll back and put the normal archepass that everyone is doing and its fine.

IF you guys wants to improve captalization with premium archepass, IF:

There is a forum here were 1 guy fixed the problem with premium archepass were everyone would like to buy even without a single p2w item on it.

He literally gave the full blueprint with all instructions to do. just search

Elisee
10-13-2020, 02:18 PM
Gamigo once again, you're proving that the marketing team has no clue how the game works and what P2W is.

Introducing this into the marketplace: https://i.imgur.com/tbsXyv8.png Invalidates growing crops that produce Orchard Puree, Ground Grain, Chopped Produce, Dried Flowers, Medicinal Powder, Ground Spices, and Wild Ginseng. Invaliding gameplay mechanics is worse than P2W.

Please see my previous post- if you're hurting for an income you need to spend extra effort and create a reliable source of longterm income using gameplay mechanics available to you. Brainstorm and follow through with ideas that do so, such as this: http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

Ripping apart the game for Archeage Unchained when it was originally advertised as the Credit Shop only including cosmetic and convenience items has now confirmed lost the players trust for Gamigo. I'm included in that. See previous post for additional suggestions and alternatives, but please WORK WITH US directly to make this game better and create a more positive marketplace experience for everyone, not just your company alone. We matter too.

This.. we want this!

fightmeh88
10-13-2020, 02:19 PM
Is it monthly? bi-monthly? It's literally damaging to withhold the estimated frequency. You say there's an upcoming one in November, do you mean it's going to be made or released in November? The PTS date shows december as the end date. you really gotta clarify.

I dunno who was given the list of items to potentially slap into the archepass but they need to remove the ♥♥♥♥ty rewards such as the handful of blue infusions granted (100? 85%< easily of the playerbase based on leaderboards can trash that at this point. every rank should be good and worthwhile.
New players shouldnt even need this with garden introduced. Even with it gone its like a few territory coins worth, that could be a few days or even just a days worth..

They need to realize that 70 kyrios badges is literally NOTHING as it's one of the most singularly needed in mass currencies. Should be 500 badges a month imo. 5000 badges in 10 months wouldnt even get you the max title, gallant horse or turtlecraft. Same with ONE serendipity, like what? weak. We're in desperate need of a decently priced permanent solution to the lack of stones.

Last but not least you've removed almost all gold from archepass in the forms of costume stones. That's a biggie, so to make up for it I believe all rewards should be tradable, including the unique one and the unique pet/mount/glider whatever should be moved to the non premium pass. The gargoyle wings being tradable was never a bad thing, it allowed people to get them after the pass was over and let people sell the rewards on alts that did not want or need them in favor for preferable gold.

9tails
10-13-2020, 02:21 PM
Angry Premium with progression stuffs
Once i came back to archeage, after some years out (cause of excessive p2w on legacy), i would love Gamigo keep the promisse/deal or whatever u guys wanna call what was announced when u said 'no progress stuffs for credits'. I feel really cheated by u guys and i only came back to the game cause of Unchained promissed no p2w. What about a premium pass with more things on premium (and a lot of progress stuffs)????? That doesnt make any sense and on my point of view its bad faith and configurate a problem with the community.

lolipoppy
10-13-2020, 02:21 PM
Alright lets be clear about something, there's a lot of evidence you guys love to shoot first and pretend to ask questions later. I guess the unpaid intern who determines your business model didn't account that most people wouldnt want to buy more than one 40 dollar costume.


Regardless let's jump into posting near unread feedback.

You need to be clear about "more frequently"

Is it monthly? bi-monthly? It's literally damaging to withhold the estimated frequency. You say there's an upcoming one in November, do you mean it's going to be made or released in November? The PTS date shows december as the end date. you really gotta clarify.

I dunno who was given the list of items to potentially slap into the archepass but they need to remove the ♥♥♥♥ty rewards such as the handful of blue infusions granted (100? 85%< easily of the playerbase based on leaderboards can trash that at this point. every rank should be good and worthwhile.
New players shouldnt even need this with garden introduced. Even with it gone its like a few territory coins worth, that could be a few days or even just a days worth..

They need to realize that 70 kyrios badges is literally NOTHING as it's one of the most singularly needed in mass currencies. Should be 500 badges a month imo. 5000 badges in 10 months wouldnt even get you the max title, gallant horse or turtlecraft. Same with ONE serendipity, like what? weak. We're in desperate need of a decently priced permanent solution to the lack of stones.

Last but not least you've removed almost all gold from archepass in the forms of costume stones. That's a biggie, so to make up for it I believe all rewards should be tradable, including the unique one and the unique pet/mount/glider whatever should be moved to the non premium pass. The gargoyle wings being tradable was never a bad thing, it allowed people to get them after the pass was over and let people sell the rewards on alts that did not want or need them in favor for preferable gold.

I agree with this....

Grootster
10-13-2020, 02:22 PM
Even if you ignore the entire debate on what is or isn't p2w, this is basically a scam and an insult to your playerbase's intelligence and loyalty.

ONE FREE track, a single track, of the previous archpass (aka: just one vocation, combat, OR equipment) gave more rewards than both the free and premium sides of this archepass combined.

A single track of the previous archepass also took barely over 3 weeks to complete. This archepass takes 7 weeks to complete. Last archepass we also about 14 free rewards a week. This archepass we get 3 rewards a week (4 the first week), and the rewards are worse.

If you buy the new "premium" archepass: You're still getting worse rewards than a single track of the free old archepass, AND it takes longer to complete. As a company, you're actually asking your customers to suddenly and unexpectedly pay for less of something they have gotten for free for the past year. That is terrible business practice.

If you don't buy the new "premium" archepass: You're just straight out of luck. The rewards of the free side are terrible. This isn't the archepass system you signed up for, and by no means does it apply to the non-p2w standards that were promised last year. Again, bad business practice.

Pwancy
10-13-2020, 02:23 PM
Gamigo once again, you're proving that the marketing team has no clue how the game works and what P2W is.

Introducing this into the marketplace: https://i.imgur.com/tbsXyv8.png Invalidates growing crops that produce Orchard Puree, Ground Grain, Chopped Produce, Dried Flowers, Medicinal Powder, Ground Spices, and Wild Ginseng. Invaliding gameplay mechanics is worse than P2W.

Please see my previous post- if you're hurting for an income you need to spend extra effort and create a reliable source of longterm income using gameplay mechanics available to you. Brainstorm and follow through with ideas that do so, such as this: http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360977-Suggestions-for-a-better-Premium-ArchePass-and-Marketplace-Experience

Ripping apart the game for Archeage Unchained when it was originally advertised as the Credit Shop only including cosmetic and convenience items has now confirmed lost the players trust for Gamigo. I'm included in that. See previous post for additional suggestions and alternatives, but please WORK WITH US directly to make this game better and create a more positive marketplace experience for everyone, not just your company alone. We matter too.

Archepass problem solved.. easy

notmynameplate
10-13-2020, 02:24 PM
This archepass would be fantastic on a new server, however that just isn't the case.

Any newer returning/starting out in ArcheAge right now is going to have an impossible time attempting to gain ground on existing players that were getting 100k labor per pass, provided they were using alts.

Now, attempting to join in on an existing environment where the gear gap takes months worth of labor just to infuse is relatively impossible for someone to do. There is effectively no catch-up mechanic. Also, considering getting gear to a "relevant" gearscore is a year-long backwards uphill battle, newer players will be discouraged from trying before they even try and the existing fully-geared or latter tier players end up being the only base that slowly dwindles.

So in essence the population dies because no one new can enjoy it and those who can end up getting bored of a lack of things to do besides the normal daily grind.

This is far from the P2W of legacy, far by a LONG shot, but it dives down the slippery slope of players wanting to be able to buy credits from in-game currency, and we all know where that leads.

Loggedin
10-13-2020, 02:25 PM
100% Pay 2 Win.


How many times can you re-release a game with broken promises?

How many scams and lies does it take?

This... ♥♥♥♥ed by gamigo again.

Andrewage
10-13-2020, 02:25 PM
Even if you ignore the entire debate on what is or isn't p2w, this is basically a scam and an insult to your playerbase's intelligence and loyalty.

ONE FREE track, a single track, of the previous archpass (aka: just one vocation, combat, OR equipment) gave more rewards than both the free and premium sides of this archepass combined.

A single track of the previous archepass also took barely over 3 weeks to complete. This archepass takes 7 weeks to complete. Last archepass we also about 14 free rewards a week. This archepass we get 3 rewards a week (4 the first week), and the rewards are worse.

If you buy the new "premium" archepass: You're still getting worse rewards than a single track of the free old archepass, AND it takes longer to complete. As a company, you're actually asking your customers to suddenly and unexpectedly pay for less of something they have gotten for free for the past year. That is terrible business practice.

If you don't buy the new "premium" archepass: You're just straight out of luck. The rewards of the free side are terrible. This isn't the archepass system you signed up for, and by no means does it apply to the non-p2w standards that were promised last year. Again, bad business practice.

Blargety
10-13-2020, 02:26 PM
They're completely destroying the game with the new Archepass.

I shoulda known better. Fool me three times I suppose.

Merkedd
10-13-2020, 02:27 PM
Again, Gamigo give there playerbase 2 fingers and moves on. They are wanting this game to die.

16hippyhoppos
10-13-2020, 02:28 PM
I was told to complain here instead of Discord. Here is my complaint. I am now returning to Discord.

Wafflebunneh
10-13-2020, 02:50 PM
If something gives a person time advantage its P2W, like dude what the ♥♥♥♥ did you expect?

Theres literally SO many others things you could put into cash shop to get more revenue that doesn't effect Unchaineds motto of being not P2W.

You could add custom emotes, idle stances, or weapon effects that do nothing but look cool??

MehIdk
10-13-2020, 03:00 PM
The new Archepass contains nothing of what the community wants or needs, and I am losing more faith in the company yet again.

Taelix
10-13-2020, 03:02 PM
Everything in the credits shop and archepass should be either craftable or obtainable by an in games mean besides diligence. Famed masons should be able to make serendipity stones, gliders should be craftable using recipes, mounts should be purchasable or crafted with the soul system. If you would make it so we can feasibly obtain ALL items via in game means no one would be as upset with the changes or things being on the marketplace.

Insurrection
10-13-2020, 03:12 PM
if gamigo want my money just give me New costume Skin, New weapon Skin, New Skill Skin, New mount Skin in cash shop and maybe a box to reroll a class completely . But i don't pay anything for my archepass, this due to me !

Rien
10-13-2020, 03:16 PM
Putting aside the P2W aspects of the new archepass, you're planning on fundamentally changing the game by gutting access to labor and diligence. If this isn't addressed immediately, I'll be moving on. You can't just change core aspects of a game with no warning and expect people to stay. This is pretty insane.

Kote
10-13-2020, 04:03 PM
It's not funny at all. Remove diligence coins, kyrios badges, labor rechargers and powerston pet from premium rewards.

Intress
10-13-2020, 04:09 PM
> from what im hearing, the rewards of diligence are much less overall even tho the amounts are greater but also need multiple quests per level like the basic now.

oh i dont like that at all 1 quest thing per level of archepass please.

please dont reduce the amount of diligence we receive overall too, i dont like that.

yeah... 150 dili on reward 7.... only takes 3 weeks to get there.....???????????????????? what pls no

Intress
10-13-2020, 04:11 PM
Yes!! this is exactly the issue right here. the labor rechargers and diligence are greatly restricted with this new setup!

PrimusLegion
10-13-2020, 04:31 PM
What about a catch up mechanic that introduces infusions that are only good on gear t3 and below?

Since I'm supposing they'll read this, I'm just throwing it out there.

TheWireLord
10-13-2020, 04:52 PM
All I want to say is that if that is your definition of "Pay to Win" then I guess we mine as well add GOLD to the cash shop. I mean...you can just get it in game if you want right?

Please. PLEASE fix this game...please just stop making it more and more pay to win. I that stuff doesn't directly affect me because I do not focus on the end game or getting the best loot the fastest. However, you are going to kill this game and no one is going to play anymore. And NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY AN MMO THAT HAS NO PLAYERBASE.

Trenjeska
10-13-2020, 04:55 PM
This basically returns AA to a sub game.
The price for that is a bit steep at 1500 credits per month to get roughly the same amount of diligence from the monthly ArchePass (Yes I ASSUME you are making the archepasses monthly now)
then either drop the price to 500 credits for an upgrade token or bring back APEX (am I really saying this....)

darknetwork
10-13-2020, 05:34 PM
i love how they claim archepass took too long, and they decide to make it 4 missions to complete a level and diminish the reward. they clearly said that none of us complained about the reward, but they decide to diminish the reward. and they said that our opinion will shape our archepass in november?
they're just testing whether people will stay or not after this and then decide what to do next.

Stillwaters01
10-13-2020, 06:22 PM
This archepass is ridiculous,just 20 quests until december,only 150 diligence and 8 rechargers unless we buy premium? This is a complete turn off and will keep me from spending and not entice me to spend

Islyn
10-13-2020, 06:25 PM
This. 100% this.

The only way to catch up to the Top 100 players is to exhaust every diligence coin you have on labor rechargers. Gear is 100% gated by the labor cost, there is no other gate stopping you from catching up and being able to compete. The Diligence Coin is the answer to that. While those top 100 players are primarily using those to get higher-end mounts and gliders, new players can use them to chug labor rechargers which allow them to -eventually- have a chance of gaining competitive gear that will allow them to fight back.

They'll permanently be behind in the glider/mount game, but they can at least use labor rechargers to gain the ground they need to stand against those players in the field. The new Archepass smashes new players %10,000. If the new Archepass does go live, I'll be turning the game off for good, as there will be no hope for me to catch up to those players in a reasonable enough time for it to be worth it to me. I'm not waiting 8 months for them to plateau and for myself to catch up to even be able to participate in meaningful and impactful PvP. I also refuse to be another "Piece of content" for those players who can one shot me at the damn community center.

I had the unfortunate circumstance of returning to Unchained directly after an event that boosted a large number of players on Stena. I have been playing flat out for six weeks in a full on-sprint, and still can't even survive a single cool-down from those players in our server Top 100, and that's primarily a result of the labor deficit I have when compared to those players. What even is the point of trying to get to the end game?

The only way this next Archepass is even remotely okay, is if we're allowed to unlock past incomplete Archepasses to unlock the rewards inside of them. In that way, the current archepass would act as a way to slow down the progression of longer standing players, while allowing the new/returning players a shot at catching up.

Also: Nevermind if you should ever decide you want to play another class. Sure you CAN - but you will be absolutely shredded for a year + whilst you do (Unless you really have no life outside game and swipe to buy t3 gems or buy someone else's acct; all against tos)

jeff7360
10-13-2020, 06:36 PM
You guys are placing progression items, diligence which can be traded directly for progression items, and other items that give a huge advantage to those who PAY for the premium. You are trying to make it so people will be required to buy premium to get the same benefits from the AP.

This is absolutely pay to win.

Remove all diligence, serendipity stones, and Kyrios currency from the premium. Else this might as well be Legacy with free Patron. I was buying the premium passes before for AP.... I will not any more.

Genshin Impact can have all my money. At least that game is actually fun still and no PVP.

TiggyTwiggly
10-13-2020, 07:21 PM
I have an inquiry about the statement made on the article http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?360971-Upcoming-Changes which states: "If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics."

In regards to an item being pay to win in this regard, this depends on how much time is used to compensate for the bought item. If it is a ridiculous amount of time that it is almost impossible for someone to catch up then it is still considered pay to win. For example, lets say a new mount comes out that has a game changing skill that can be bought with or acquired in game over time. If it takes that player so much time that a new mount comes out that is also game changing that replaces the previous mount then the player can never catch up.

Smurfylicious
10-13-2020, 08:13 PM
There was nothing wrong with the old AP system, it was nice having 3 branches and the excitement of looking forward to deciding which to complete first. If you insist on keeping the pass the way it is at least consider removing dilligence, rechargers and Kyrios badges and putting them back in the basic pass, these don't need to be paywalled. You can manipulate the term pay to win all you like and say that what you're doing isn't but you're not fooling anyone. The fact that people have to use IRL money to gain these extra advantages makes it pay to win, sure you get some in the basic pass but if you really want to keep up with everyone else you gotta spend that real money. Change the AP back to how it was before because this one is just stupid, I will consider it a miracle if you actually listen to any of the feedback regarding this.

Kasthil
10-13-2020, 10:49 PM
Why do we have to fight with you about what is p2w every two months? We've told you what pay to win is. You gave us a survey. Use it.

We're tired of being outraged with every decision you make that breaks your promises to us.

Rukuvi
10-13-2020, 11:00 PM
just want to throw my two cents in to this debate, if you really cared about money that much you should not have made unchained, because decisions like this going live WILL KILL THE GAME, going back on promises is one thing and you have been sneaking things into the cash shop saying that the cosmetics arent cutting it for your funds and that is fine n all but those of us from legacy know exactly how much stuff has not even been implemented into unchained yet that you easily could be making bank off. the point is you ruined legacy even though it was p2w by making unchained and saying it wont be p2w. the difference to legacy and unchained is one was promised no p2w and the other always had it and accepted it. you go against what you promised you WILL lose peoples support AND MONEY burning whatever your trying to do here. dont be a panini.

LyithionaRavenwood
10-13-2020, 11:46 PM
So, first we are lied to about the one time purchase. Now we are expected to pay for items we used to be able to get in Archepass without premium....But that's not P2W? Nice way to treat your fans....

Schaapjeblaat
10-14-2020, 02:09 AM
This archepass is clear pay to win. Please dont do this it gonna cause mass quitting while population already isnt so great.

A loot power stone or a Travelers Blessing is fine, thats convenience. I would pay for that. Put in some more items that are non p2w like a scroll that maxes artistry for a limited time so you can play music (add some songs too), a funny dance, furniture, a language book. Would be enough for me to buy that without feeling cheated like it is now (I will probably just not get it because it feels like a broken promise)

Tempering charms, labor pots and serendipity stones are bad, thats pay 2 win

Dilligence is the worst. The people who now have like 12 bought accounts will get it on all their alts, proceeding to sell it to other players or just handing their main weapon around to all their alts to temper it to max

And then theres the slippery slope of more and more pay 2 win. It began with only cosmetic, then convenience, now this. Whats next?

linah84
10-14-2020, 02:32 AM
Que de changement, comme un retour dans le passé ! On nous avait annoncé un jeu buy-to-play, puis on nous a vendu un dlc... on a ralé mais on a cédé car il était assuré qu'il n'y aurait pas de p2w, aujourd'hui on annonce un p2f pour dissimulé un p2w à venir ! On nous ment en nous disant que c'est pour simplifier notre temps de jeu alors que ça va clairement nuire au confort en jeu ! combien de temps vous faudra-t-il pour nous ressortir les apex et autre moyens d'abonnement avec les inconvénients qu'ils imposent ? :furieux::furieux::furieux:

Phinkis
10-14-2020, 03:17 AM
Dropping in to say I agree this is pay to win and it doesn't really surprise me. Between this and the declining numbers it may no long be worth my time to play this game.

Azores
10-14-2020, 03:44 AM
I already told them once to push to XL the idea of making skins for mounts/houses/cars/haulers/ships overall more decor(ACTUAL SKINS) and charge this things. But I guess the only thing they are good at is to ask for p2w stuff or rng loot boxes.
There are so many games like League of legends and DOTA that have "X" amount of skins for each hero why can't we have a skin for a galleon or have the possibility to paint the galleon ? Noooo... we can only put a crest, that 80% of time don't load at all lool. Imagine having a skin for a mansion of actual Halloween theme, hell even a game that is not even released is making this things already lol.

You could have those skins on the premium Archepass but overall doesn't really matter what we player base say, we already know the p2w is coming and you guys saying that everyone can get the same items by playing the game damn I feel sorry for your way of thinking so just let it all out already and put erenor/gold on cash shop already as on your own words everyone can get these items by playing the game so *shrug*

Keep up with the good logic here you will end up with a barren wasteland in no time :thumbup:

amazin
10-14-2020, 03:57 AM
its a joke that a team behind a game with so much potential cannot come up with a single idea to boost revenues without p2w

just because ur buisness model is lacking in preformance (it is undoubtly a terrible model) doesnt mean you should make up for it in the form of p2w that we all know is just going to kill the game faster.

there are so many things that are wrong in archeage that prevent it from generating any income and ruin some of the game experience, yet players still play it in some miraculous way and instead of fixing those things and make a great game that will generate much higher revenues you choose to just milk it for the last few months and let it die?

with or without this archepass the game is still p2w, the only difference now is that you are no longer selling the win, its the gold sellers who are making the money from this game because of its terribly designed labor and gearing system (hardcore pvp mmo where u have to forever farm gold in ways that cant even be called pve, the gold generating in this game is not progressing at the same pace that the gold required for gear is progressing) and that is the reason why its already dying for months now. if u start selling the win as well then its just going to die alot faster. instead you should just work on fixing the game design to not keep players slaves to the gearing system to save it from taking its last breath (this is true even regardless of this new archepass) and listen to like a million ideas that the community has brought up to boost sales. it is a joke that everytime the players need to explain to u what they would want to buy so u stop making the same mistakes you keep making - the dlc, constantly making small step of p2w in the market place and now this new archepass.

Podushka
10-14-2020, 04:03 AM
My english is very bad but i will give my opinion.
You promised us there won't be P2W. You have introduced a paid DLC that affects player progress. You have decided to change your store.
Now you make archepass meaningless without a donation.

If you really want to encourage people to donate, you need to change the payment system and make it more accessible. as well as to make the prices of goods more accessible and to update the store more often. some people earn less than 500 euros per month and cannot afford such prices at all. However, they are still willing to donate their money to you.

nymph
10-14-2020, 04:33 AM
Diligence = Labor = Gear Infusions THAT IS 100% P2W

Not only that, new players are scrued. I never encountered a company in my life to hate new players so much. I have over 2000 dliligence stored on my alt from previous archepass missions by just actively playing the game every single day. New players have NO CHANCE of ever competing with the reduced diligence you give now. I also have over 2500 Health and Mana potions from a AFK event. I made all my gear Mythical by receiving hundreds of free Brilliant Hiram Awakening Scrolls from a "stay 5 minutes online event" (EHM dailies being the biggest bottleneck in gearing).

What chance does a new player has to ever catching up? You now give half the diligence we used to get for free and turned it into basically a monthly archepass subcription on a B2P model with paid DLC's. No new player will ever want to touch that!

You kept rewarding old players to STAY while doing NOTHING to attract and motivate new players to play.

Now we barely have enought players on the most populated servers to do a 3/4 Garden Boss Raid. With this new B2P ARCHEPAS SCAM lots of old players will quit and the rest even if they do pay for the Archepass (to get half of what they did so far for free), they will be too discouraged to continue playing if there won't be enough people for a Garden Boss Raid.

Are you destroying the game on purpose?

Lagree
10-14-2020, 04:38 AM
I wonder who do you get any but any ever "POSITIVE FEEDBACK" "MAJORITY" But even on this topic people are running you over and actually telling you to stop.
But i guess you won't care about any feedback and simply lose so many people because of this. Simply get a grip and start paying attention to almost %100 negative feedback you get on this topic here.

deadhearted
10-14-2020, 05:14 AM
Seriously, that new ArchePass you are planning is just ridiculous. The playerbase got used to get the fix amount of dilis/rechagers that we got over the last year and the people actually spend them in the idea that they can make them back with no problems because you never announced that you will lower the amound AND put it behind a paywall.

You say people "complained about the archepass takeing too long to finish" but noone can find those complains of the people. Also to force the people to give you feedback over the forum instead of a discord vote is just a joke, because many people still cant write in the forum because they dont have a legacy char.

Give us our archepasses we are used to : 45 levels, 1 level finished pro quest, dilis and rechargers in the free pass AND WORK ON MAKEING THE PREMIUM VERSION ACTUALLY INTERESTING TO BUY !!! thats the fix you need !!! just make the premium track worth buying without screwing the peope who cant affort to buy the premium track on a regular basis (dont forget you promised a game with just 1 time purchase and items that can be gained through playing and not paying).

Finally listen to your playerbase !!!!

Schyzotrop
10-14-2020, 05:38 AM
"The only way to acquire combat and power items in ArcheAge: Unchained, is through gameplay" - Jake Song, creator of ArcheAge
https://youtu.be/TkbvoiyKhGc?t=2433

stick to your promises Jake Song, else you are liar. Instead of making Unchained -> Chained with this terrible p2w implementation hire better marketing team who can do better than putting planthouses for 300 credits on marketplace and are unable to release any new costume for almost half year.

IAMISOBE
10-14-2020, 05:39 AM
Not only is the new pass literal garbage, but you prevent people from achieving the old passes as well. I just started new on Stena and I was literally not able to complete even one pass due to the time remaining. I can not achieve the cumulus mount which then forces me to spend 5000 gilda if i want one, but I also an not get undergarments which make me spend 500 gilda. These 2 things alone give players big advantages and leave us new players screwed over. Every pass for ALL seasons should be able to be completed at ANY point of the server life. By not allowing us to do so, youre creating an almost insurmountable gap in the player base. There are way too many rewards that were given out that would require new players to spend WAY too much to get on a level playing field. Not sure if your goals are to just drive every new server into the ground so you can "re re re re release Archeage" again or what but when does it end? At what point do you stop making decisions that screw over players? Players should NOT have to play since day 1 to be able to get the pass rewards. if a new player comes into to game, EVERY TIER of EVERY pass should be achievable if we chose to put in the work. Stop gating players with poor game design. I hope you reconsider this pass and the ability to complete old ones because at this point everyone is about to leave the new server

Elo
10-14-2020, 05:40 AM
The new ArchePass is how this should have been in the beginning. IMO it is a good change and gives new players something to work for instead of having everything handed to them in a few months and then they get bored and quit.

I think it could use some tweaking and like the suggestion of moving Diligence to a daily login like Legacy.

Larkei
10-14-2020, 06:46 AM
That archepass update is such a terrible idea, it's like the company is saying "Let's take this Unchained game that was created and advertised as to be pay-to-win free.. and make it pay-to-win EXACTLY like legacy" :mad:

j4j48inx
10-14-2020, 07:01 AM
This my first post at forum cos this is very important and you need feedback. dont make p2w and just read what ppl wrote here or we have to leave this "beautiful not p2w" game again. play it yourself

LiucK
10-14-2020, 08:46 AM
Hello, i've been very active recently on discord about these new archepass and i got told to write here instead so here i am.
The 3 system archepass was one of the good things we had in Archeage:Unchained, it gave great rewards for the time used to complete them, it takes about 10-30 minutes to complete all 12 quest within a week;

This terrible change on PTS means only that you guys want to push pay to win into the game and have no idea on how to do it properly;
The archepass it'self is TERRILE cause even by paying 10 euros for it you still get less than one of the pass we currently have which takes roughly a month to complete;

You could've literally take the same 3 archepass and change the final reward and everything would've been fine.
Also i want to leave a feedback about the marketing team at Gamigo: consider changing job cause you got no clue on how to sell stuff;
you guys could literally put mounts in both diligence and credit shop and most of the people would've been fine.
On top of that the game has to offer achivments that will give you a special glider/mount/pet and those achievement are only obtainable with great amount of diligence coins, the new archepass will make youi complete 1 of those achievement within 3 years which is completly stupid but that i guess is something most of the Gamigo employee don't know since YOU GUYS DONT PLAY THE GAME.

You could put an autoloot powerstone for 20 dollars as i said multiple times on discord and you would've made BANK.

My blind guess is that if you guys dont revert archepass to what it was you will lose majority of the community then get bad publicity cause the "one time purchase" has gone down the hole already and be left with yet another dead game.
Archeage, one of the best MMOs despite the years always ruined by either the developers or in this case vastly by the publisher.

Have a nice day.

Mitrelen
10-14-2020, 09:26 AM
Hi everyone!
Its my first post here on forum but i realy disappointed with this new ArchePass. I loved the old ones.
There was alot of conversation about labor, diligence, badges and gear infusions in this new premium ArchePass and i agree with them. There must not be such thing behind a paywall.
But why noone talks about this new final reward for premium ArchePass? A pet with a skill which makes its owner UNTARGETABLE for 3 seconds! And gamigo wants us to buy it for real money.
If it is not Pay-2-Win, i really don't know what Pay-2-Win, is.

What will be next premium rewar? Ravenspine Wings?

Ruby Lace
10-14-2020, 10:17 AM
The archepass is fine how it is.

Aerocytes
10-14-2020, 12:09 PM
stop trying to milk us for as much cash as you can you greedy pieces of ♥♥♥♥ing ♥♥♥♥, if you want more money give us a reason to give you more money don't just start charging more for the ♥♥♥♥ we already have. seriously ♥♥♥♥ you guys, terrible business ethic and no morals, I bet even a ♥♥♥♥ would look at you and be like "ze ♥♥♥♥ ez wrong wif zese ♥♥♥♥s"

leave the archepass alone you simple minded sacks of ♥♥♥♥, it's fine the way it was without you trying to squeeze another 15 bucks out of us.... ♥♥♥♥ing sheisters

this type of ♥♥♥♥ is why I stopped buying credits for costumes n ♥♥♥♥ btw, you want to try and force me to buy some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ "DLC" which is just a gear paywall, well ♥♥♥♥ it fine I'll give you your 15 bucks and now you miss out on at least 100 bucks that I would have spent on costumes and decorations, ♥♥♥♥in done giving you any money at this point


seriously though Gardens "DLC" is basically how in SWTOR you can't use epic rank gear unless you pay 2 bucks per gear slot, the only difference is at least in SWTOR they have the decency of not making you grind extra for it, or try to claim it's ♥♥♥♥ing content

NightProwler
10-14-2020, 12:10 PM
am i rigth, that THIS is what we gonna get? https://image.prntscr.com/image/gqrVRolkS6OUNbEVsMUPAQ.png
its f@cking terrible idea guys..
This archepass is completley useless, if compare to last seasons. Less dilig, and MUCH MUCH less labor chargers
if u wanna force p2w ur players - just take old archepasses and get some strong last rewards in permium, like glider/pets etc. It would be much more better,then ur current plan

Aerocytes
10-14-2020, 12:14 PM
Oh and you guys have a ♥♥♥♥filled brain when it comes to what your definition of pay to win and pay for convenience are, I'm not even going to go there because there's no hope for you. You are terrible and greedy people who deserve nothing .

romonster
10-14-2020, 12:29 PM
The old ArchePass was the one part of Unchained that I absolutely hated. This one will still have some of the same problems due to the linear, tier-based nature of it, but I think it's a significant improvement for several reasons.

I like the single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards a lot better than the three separate ones. It will feel less tedious.
Decor and costumes should never have been included in ArchePasses. They should always have been cash shop purchases.
Previously, premium tracks gave a lot of redundant items, as well items that just weren't interesting. I almost never bought them. This new one is actually worth spending money on.


I would make two changes to new ArchePass.

Move diligence from the paid track to the free track, as it was always designed to be earned rather than bought. Even the name, diligence coins, says that.
Add some means to delay starting the timer on timed items until you're ready to use them, since you can't really control when you receive them.

tiddlywinkseyyyyy
10-14-2020, 12:32 PM
serendipity stones and diligence for money is p2w, don't kid yourself. Absolute ♥♥♥♥ show you got running over at gamigo, thanks for burning the player base down even more

Beeef
10-14-2020, 12:51 PM
I see that gamigo likes to make changes based on feedback from forums. A lot of the changes that have been made are not supported by the community at all.Truth is-- the forums is just not an accurate representation of the playerbase. You need a new way to gauge interest from the community. I'm in one of the biggest guilds on stena and have never heard of anyone using the forums.

DestinationLove
10-14-2020, 12:58 PM
The archepass on the PTS is a mistake. You propose "fixing it" by making it worse and then adding p2w.
If it goes live tomorrow, I'm done with you and your products.

Captainkiss
10-14-2020, 01:05 PM
Please postpone this horrible p2w archeagepass and dont make it live tommorow. What a horrible idea. We listened to feedback of comunity? Oh you mean those people breaking rule of 3 accounts per person that run 10 accounts and complain it takes too long? I can do on mine archeage pass under 2h at Monday. Check your facts....

Yamamoto
10-14-2020, 01:10 PM
Archepass where you slow down progression (labor vise, x4 less then before) for newcommers who will never catch us when we desperatly need new active blood to actualy play content is nonesence. DLC was a disaster that cost us almost half of playerbase and we never recoverred. This archepass will cut another 50% of players of AAU and servers will die in stagnation.

Remove diligence and labor from payed archepass before you ruin everything we were working on for more then year together!!! Dont slow progression for catch up players, c'mon!

kaukaa
10-14-2020, 01:22 PM
You should exclude at least labor and diligence from the premium! This is a terrible pass, I liked the old one! Without manastorm, it's hard to build collections, and now I have to pay for diligence! We can see that you want more money and don't care what the players think....

KvakVaka
10-14-2020, 01:24 PM
Archepass closes quickly. I don't understand those who write otherwise. At the very beginning, we wrote that a paid pass will only give cosmetic items. But now it's just PTW. I went to play AAU solely because of the B2p system. And there will be no ptw items in the shop. Personally, I was satisfied with everything before( the only thing that could put more decor in the same paid pass, etc.). What can save Archepass this season is entering a Pass for both credits and gold.

Mynthiao
10-14-2020, 01:33 PM
This new archepass is completely P2W. You are asking us to PAY for the premium pass to get more DILIGENCE. This in game currency give us access to items that permit to get our gear better. To mounts. To pets. To gliders. Someone that pays for the premium is gonna get stronger that someone that cannot. Please remember that irl some people cant just afford to put money in a game to be able to keep up with the gear score.
Also now you added a POWRSTONE PET in the PREMIUM pass that we have to PAY for. If i don't pay, I will never get this pet, right ? And this pet is gonna have abilities that others dont, right ? This is p2w also, exactly as you explained in the first post of this thread. Furthermore, we used to have a powerstone pet in each previous archepass, from the BASIC way. SO EVERYONE could have access to it.
Please reconsider this new archepass. This cannot be existing in Unchained. This is going to widen the gap between strong and weak players, and also the new ones will never be able to keep up at this rate, unless they pay. A new player basically wont be able to acquire a kirin for a while if they cant afford to pay for premium. If you still put this new archepass tomorrow, please think about giving away the missing diligence and pets to the players that didnt pay later on, when you finally bring back the old one (or another new one, without the p2w this time).

XyRo
10-14-2020, 01:55 PM
I was really hoping all I was seeing from PTS wouldn't be going live and now I see a pet with what seems to be a very good ability in premium pass. Saw the ad on launcher when I was about to login and after reading it I had to ask myself what's the point.

This new archepass is terrible, I have no idea where you got feedback that the archepass was too long, i've been done for weeks and just waiting for the new 1.

delay it, don't do it, just NO!, please no...

worvand
10-14-2020, 02:01 PM
p2w archepass on the premium side. hope the next one isnt p2w. They are breaking the promise on no p2w for unchained.

Grootster
10-14-2020, 02:03 PM
To continue my thoughts on what I said yesterday:

A single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards could work. HOWEVER:
The current incoming archepass has fewer tiers AND significantly LESS rewards. AND it takes twice as long as an old single track. That is even if you buy premium.
The pumpkin pass has higher exp requirements per level for a total over 109k exp to complete, but our weekly quests still give 1.5k per quest. It took a bit over 3 weeks to complete a previous archepass track (equipment/vocation/combat). It takes 7 weeks to complete the pumpkin pass. You can only go up 3 levels per week on the pumpkin pass (4 levels on the first week because it starts at level 1).

When you are considering the pumpkin pass vs the old archepasses, it's important you remember that it takes twice as long. That means not only does the pumpkin pass have less rewards than the old archepass tracks, but you also could have completed two of the old archepass tracks during the same amount of time. Essentially, you are losing another track's worth of rewards in addition to what is already reduced in the pumpkin pass.

Old Archepass Rewards:

408~ Diligence (single track)
30 Labor Hammers (single track)
25,000 Honor/Vocation (single track)
Costume/Undergarments (Equipment)
Costume/Undergarments Lunafrost (Equipment)
Costume Synthesis Materials (Equipment) (480 Clear, 560 Vivid, 240 Lucid, 200 Radiant depending on what you took)
25 Heroic Auroran Synthesis Stone (Equipment) (heroic cloak synth)
30 Blue Salt Bonds (Equipment)
2.5 Serendipity Stones (Equipment)
160 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (Combat)
15 Luna Charm Rank 1 (Combat)
8 Resplendent Tempers (Combat)
140 Kyrios Badges (Combat)
2 Weapon Temper Anchoring Charms or 8 Armor Temper Anchoring Charms (Combat)
An awakening scroll ticket that gave a ton of awakening scrolls for catchup (Combat)
15 Fortune Boxes no matter what track you took
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider
Bunches of other things like Plant Houses, Expansion Scrolls, building management titles, various loot/honor pots, etc


Pumpkin Patch Rewards (EVEN WITH PREMIUM):
423 Diligence (350 base + 73 from weekly quests until completion. This is more diligence but ONLY BECAUSE THIS PASS TAKES TWICE AS LONG. If you consider you could do TWO previous tracks within the same amount of time it takes to do the single pumpkin pass, you're losing out on over 400 additional diligence compared to old passes)
23 Labor Hammers (This is 7 less from a single previous archepass. Again 37 if you're thinking in terms of "hey I could have done two previous archepasses already".)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
80 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (80/240 less)
80 Kyrios Badges (60/200 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
1 Serendipity Stone (1.5/4 less)
5 Luna Charm Rank 2 (you get 5 of these but no rank 1's. Since you need rank 1's not 2's to make higher tier luna charms, this is actually less helpful toward most players than rank 1's.)
4 Resplendent Weapon Tempering Charms OR 16 Resplendent Armor Tempering Charms (you get these, but they are just resplendent, not anchoring, so they are much less useful toward people pushing high tempers)
Loot/Auto Loot Powerstone/Saddle (these are nice but nearly make up for everything you lose)
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider (you could have gotten 2 in the time it takes to complete the pumpkin pass)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.

Pumpkin Patch Rewards (WITHOUT PREMIUM):
223 Diligence (185/593 less)
8 Labor Hammers (22/52 less)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
30 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (130/290 less)
50 Kyrios Badges (90/230 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
0 Serendipity Stones (2.5/5 less)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.
You get no pet/mount/glider in the free track. (Also supposedly the pumpkin has a good ability to make the caster untargetable for 3s.)


The proposed structure of the pumpkin pass would be ok - longer, single archepass track that rotates more frequently - but in order for it to work, rewards would need to be boosted so that they at least equal what we would have gotten for previous archepasses even for the free track. At the moment, it's just a straight reduction compared to the old free archepasses, even if you buy premium. And if you don't buy premium, you're just straight screwed. It is audacious to be asked to pay for an archepass that gives us much less than what we were getting previously.


(I know this post is really long, and I apologize. I'm hoping breaking it down more will fully explain why this pass is so ♥♥♥♥ing bad.)

vexyvixen
10-14-2020, 02:06 PM
My guild has been anxiously anticipating the new Archepass, but seeing the changes on PTS our hearts are broken. This new Archepass is terrible. It was much better previously. I hope you will change it back.

confido
10-14-2020, 02:13 PM
You guys need to rethink this Archepass its lack luster the Basic Pass just last quarter is better than this paid pass. Id be happy if you recycled an old arche pass than this mostrosity.
I only speak for myself when I say this is taking alot of motivation out of me and playing much less paying for anything. The labor I need to make a steam bike I want will be spent on the one or 2 good things you are offering ...nah ...turn back while you can Gamigo thats my two cents on this. you want to make money then make cool new things and more traditional armor skins if you come out with cool shiny stuff or things we will buy. Giving us less then making us pay for it is not the way!

confido
10-14-2020, 02:15 PM
Agreed...fells kinda yucky paying for less stuseful stuff than we got for a basic pass

confido
10-14-2020, 02:17 PM
To continue my thoughts on what I said yesterday:

A single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards could work. HOWEVER:
The current incoming archepass has fewer tiers AND significantly LESS rewards. AND it takes twice as long as an old single track. That is even if you buy premium.
The pumpkin pass has higher exp requirements per level for a total over 109k exp to complete, but our weekly quests still give 1.5k per quest. It took a bit over 3 weeks to complete a previous archepass track (equipment/vocation/combat). It takes 7 weeks to complete the pumpkin pass. You can only go up 3 levels per week on the pumpkin pass (4 levels on the first week because it starts at level 1).

When you are considering the pumpkin pass vs the old archepasses, it's important you remember that it takes twice as long. That means not only does the pumpkin pass have less rewards than the old archepass tracks, but you also could have completed two of the old archepass tracks during the same amount of time. Essentially, you are losing another track's worth of rewards in addition to what is already reduced in the pumpkin pass.

Old Archepass Rewards:

408~ Diligence (single track)
30 Labor Hammers (single track)
25,000 Honor/Vocation (single track)
Costume/Undergarments (Equipment)
Costume/Undergarments Lunafrost (Equipment)
Costume Synthesis Materials (Equipment) (480 Clear, 560 Vivid, 240 Lucid, 200 Radiant depending on what you took)
25 Heroic Auroran Synthesis Stone (Equipment) (heroic cloak synth)
30 Blue Salt Bonds (Equipment)
2.5 Serendipity Stones (Equipment)
160 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (Combat)
15 Luna Charm Rank 1 (Combat)
8 Resplendent Tempers (Combat)
140 Kyrios Badges (Combat)
2 Weapon Temper Anchoring Charms or 8 Armor Temper Anchoring Charms (Combat)
An awakening scroll ticket that gave a ton of awakening scrolls for catchup (Combat)
15 Fortune Boxes no matter what track you took
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider
Bunches of other things like Plant Houses, Expansion Scrolls, building management titles, various loot/honor pots, etc


Pumpkin Patch Rewards (EVEN WITH PREMIUM):
423 Diligence (350 base + 73 from weekly quests until completion. This is more diligence but ONLY BECAUSE THIS PASS TAKES TWICE AS LONG. If you consider you could do TWO previous tracks within the same amount of time it takes to do the single pumpkin pass, you're losing out on over 400 additional diligence compared to old passes)
23 Labor Hammers (This is 7 less from a single previous archepass. Again 37 if you're thinking in terms of "hey I could have done two previous archepasses already".)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
80 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (80/240 less)
80 Kyrios Badges (60/200 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
1 Serendipity Stone (1.5/4 less)
5 Luna Charm Rank 2 (you get 5 of these but no rank 1's. Since you need rank 1's not 2's to make higher tier luna charms, this is actually less helpful toward most players than rank 1's.)
4 Resplendent Weapon Tempering Charms OR 16 Resplendent Armor Tempering Charms (you get these, but they are just resplendent, not anchoring, so they are much less useful toward people pushing high tempers)
Loot/Auto Loot Powerstone/Saddle (these are nice but nearly make up for everything you lose)
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider (you could have gotten 2 in the time it takes to complete the pumpkin pass)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.

Pumpkin Patch Rewards (WITHOUT PREMIUM):
223 Diligence (185/593 less)
8 Labor Hammers (22/52 less)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
30 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (130/290 less)
50 Kyrios Badges (90/230 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
0 Serendipity Stones (2.5/5 less)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.
You get no pet/mount/glider in the free track. (Also supposedly the pumpkin has a good ability to make the caster untargetable for 3s.)


The proposed structure of the pumpkin pass would be ok - longer, single archepass track that rotates more frequently - but in order for it to work, rewards would need to be boosted so that they at least equal what we would have gotten for previous archepasses even for the free track. At the moment, it's just a straight reduction compared to the old free archepasses, even if you buy premium. And if you don't buy premium, you're just straight screwed. It is audacious to be asked to pay for an archepass that gives us much less than what we were getting previously.


(I know this post is really long, and I apologize. I'm hoping breaking it down more will fully explain why this pass is so ♥♥♥♥ing bad.)


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making me already not want to play Im just staring at my toon now ugh

Pipsqueak
10-14-2020, 02:29 PM
I do not normally talk in forum but I feel this warrant's some conversation. Please do not change the archepass why fix what was not broken. It is one of my fav things to do in this game and looking at the new one you have in the PTS makes me very sad!!!!! Now I understand you need to make money for the game but taking away from one side to do this is going to make you loose more potential future money . Instead or changing it why not just add stuff to the pay pass side don't remove stuff and completely screw the regular side up just add things to the premium instead win win . there is alot of money opportunities that you do not utilize like crest cubes new outfits new decorations heck old decorations make them completely account bound and poof you have a viable income that doesn't go to P2W but you dole out stuff like crumbs to birds instead of letting us shop and have alot of choices. NEW Costumes would be nice too !!!!

Redsponge
10-14-2020, 03:09 PM
This sums up everything that is wrong with the new ArchPass... A pet that makes it so that you can't be targeted behind $$$ and a really crappy ArchePass that is slightly less crappy if you pay $$$... how is that not pay to win? really??


To continue my thoughts on what I said yesterday:

A single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards could work. HOWEVER:
The current incoming archepass has fewer tiers AND significantly LESS rewards. AND it takes twice as long as an old single track. That is even if you buy premium.
The pumpkin pass has higher exp requirements per level for a total over 109k exp to complete, but our weekly quests still give 1.5k per quest. It took a bit over 3 weeks to complete a previous archepass track (equipment/vocation/combat). It takes 7 weeks to complete the pumpkin pass. You can only go up 3 levels per week on the pumpkin pass (4 levels on the first week because it starts at level 1).

When you are considering the pumpkin pass vs the old archepasses, it's important you remember that it takes twice as long. That means not only does the pumpkin pass have less rewards than the old archepass tracks, but you also could have completed two of the old archepass tracks during the same amount of time. Essentially, you are losing another track's worth of rewards in addition to what is already reduced in the pumpkin pass.

Old Archepass Rewards:

408~ Diligence (single track)
30 Labor Hammers (single track)
25,000 Honor/Vocation (single track)
Costume/Undergarments (Equipment)
Costume/Undergarments Lunafrost (Equipment)
Costume Synthesis Materials (Equipment) (480 Clear, 560 Vivid, 240 Lucid, 200 Radiant depending on what you took)
25 Heroic Auroran Synthesis Stone (Equipment) (heroic cloak synth)
30 Blue Salt Bonds (Equipment)
2.5 Serendipity Stones (Equipment)
160 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (Combat)
15 Luna Charm Rank 1 (Combat)
8 Resplendent Tempers (Combat)
140 Kyrios Badges (Combat)
2 Weapon Temper Anchoring Charms or 8 Armor Temper Anchoring Charms (Combat)
An awakening scroll ticket that gave a ton of awakening scrolls for catchup (Combat)
15 Fortune Boxes no matter what track you took
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider
Bunches of other things like Plant Houses, Expansion Scrolls, building management titles, various loot/honor pots, etc


Pumpkin Patch Rewards (EVEN WITH PREMIUM):
423 Diligence (350 base + 73 from weekly quests until completion. This is more diligence but ONLY BECAUSE THIS PASS TAKES TWICE AS LONG. If you consider you could do TWO previous tracks within the same amount of time it takes to do the single pumpkin pass, you're losing out on over 400 additional diligence compared to old passes)
23 Labor Hammers (This is 7 less from a single previous archepass. Again 37 if you're thinking in terms of "hey I could have done two previous archepasses already".)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
80 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (80/240 less)
80 Kyrios Badges (60/200 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
1 Serendipity Stone (1.5/4 less)
5 Luna Charm Rank 2 (you get 5 of these but no rank 1's. Since you need rank 1's not 2's to make higher tier luna charms, this is actually less helpful toward most players than rank 1's.)
4 Resplendent Weapon Tempering Charms OR 16 Resplendent Armor Tempering Charms (you get these, but they are just resplendent, not anchoring, so they are much less useful toward people pushing high tempers)
Loot/Auto Loot Powerstone/Saddle (these are nice but nearly make up for everything you lose)
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider (you could have gotten 2 in the time it takes to complete the pumpkin pass)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.

Pumpkin Patch Rewards (WITHOUT PREMIUM):
223 Diligence (185/593 less)
8 Labor Hammers (22/52 less)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
30 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (130/290 less)
50 Kyrios Badges (90/230 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
0 Serendipity Stones (2.5/5 less)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.
You get no pet/mount/glider in the free track. (Also supposedly the pumpkin has a good ability to make the caster untargetable for 3s.)


The proposed structure of the pumpkin pass would be ok - longer, single archepass track that rotates more frequently - but in order for it to work, rewards would need to be boosted so that they at least equal what we would have gotten for previous archepasses even for the free track. At the moment, it's just a straight reduction compared to the old free archepasses, even if you buy premium. And if you don't buy premium, you're just straight screwed. It is audacious to be asked to pay for an archepass that gives us much less than what we were getting previously.


(I know this post is really long, and I apologize. I'm hoping breaking it down more will fully explain why this pass is so ♥♥♥♥ing bad.)

magei310
10-14-2020, 04:21 PM
who the f complained about taking too long to complete a archepass? I spent half the season waiting for the next season, all I did was burn labor, infuse, and voc the archepasses too, usually did it all in 1-2 days each week, A hour at most per week is all it takes, I fear I will miss a week or 2 in this 1 month pass and not be able to complete it, 3 month is a season, they should be kept at 3 months expiry.... giving ample time to complete it, or yet just don't let it expire, just keep adding new ones monthly or something!

Kujo
10-14-2020, 04:29 PM
What is odd to me people will buy gold to upgrade gear without a second though. But when the company who needs to make money tries different revenue ideas so they can pay the employees all hell breaks loose with the same gold buying players. Lets face it the game is going to be filled with a few dozen high GS players. All the casuals farmer type and people who just don't wanna be pirated 24/7 have already left. The labor system is an absolute joke upgrade a piece of gear and log out until you regen enough to do it again.

Caelestis
10-14-2020, 04:50 PM
After the sneaky way Garden was slipped in as "DLC" with a seperate fee....I thought ok maybe they need to make money...I can handle paying for some DLC even though we were very clearly promised a one pay deal. I let it slide....

This is absolute *&%*% PAY TO WIN. I don't care how to try to rationalize it with that completely twisted excuse. We were promised no P2W and you did it anyway.

I came back and bought new accounts to give this wonderful game another shot....truly is the best MMO I've ever played. Until Trion screwed it.

If this isn't righted...I do hope someone sues the ♥♥♥♥ out of you for false advertisement and bait and switch....

Sierro
10-14-2020, 05:29 PM
I just have 2 complaints here.

1.) I do not like the fact that you changed it from 3 paths to 1. I very much enjoyed the multiple paths and reward options for each one. It was also kind of fun seeing different people with different final rewards at different times throughout the ArchePass Season.

2.) Where it is nice to have the season ended quicker for most. I feel with the amount of rewards that were in the multiple path option and how long it took to complete them that this may lead to less rewards overall.

P.S.) I may amend these complaints when the pass is available and I see for myself what it all entails. Though I already have 3 ArchePass Upgrade Tickets so that's where my main reason for sharing my thoughts and opinions on this new update.



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Hello, everyone!

We would like to inform you about the feedback we received from our community survey regarding item sales in ArcheAge: Unchained. We truly appreciate the feedback you gave us as it helps to understand the demands of our community. Based on the majority's vote, we'll make a few changes to the Marketplace and ArchePass in collaboration with XLGames.

We will be testing these changes for some time – this means that nothing is set in stone and subject to change at any time. We encourage you to give us feedback regarding these changes here in the official feedback thread.

We would like to explain the term “Pay-to-Win" item because we have found out that this might lead to confusion. A “Pay-to-Win" item gives an ultimate advantage over someone who does not own this or a similar item. So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.

We will offer a fair gameplay environment for everyone regardless of their playtime, therefore improving the quality of life experience. This will also further improve the overall adventure that is ArcheAge: Unchained and make it the perfect environment for all of our players.

To convey a better impression of the changes, we will be as open and transparent with you as possible. To emphasize that point, we are providing you with the following list of categories with a few item examples that will be available for Credit purchases this week:


Bound Anywhere Warehouse
Personal Any-Post Owl
Bound Arcane XP Restoration Scroll
Synthium Soap
Saving Pendant

These items will offer more options in different item categories but will not offer a Pay-to-Win advantage. These items will increase the quality of your time spent in ArcheAge: Unchained and provide a fair chance of progression for everyone. Please note, these items will not be removed from the Diligence Store and will exist alongside its Credit counterparts.

Along with this change, exciting new updates are coming to ArcheAge: Unchained! Soon, you can experience the long awaited 'Farmhand system', explore a new great zone with exciting Raid, and not to be left out, lore junkies can hunker down and dive to new depths in the 'Chronicle Quests'.


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Sierro
10-14-2020, 05:38 PM
This pretty much encapsulates everything my precious reply stated but in full detail by someone who has already seen the pass and rewards.

I am not looking forward to this season anymore. Also why a Pumpkin instead of the Ghost that already gives the same buff?


To continue my thoughts on what I said yesterday:

A single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards could work. HOWEVER:
The current incoming archepass has fewer tiers AND significantly LESS rewards. AND it takes twice as long as an old single track. That is even if you buy premium.
The pumpkin pass has higher exp requirements per level for a total over 109k exp to complete, but our weekly quests still give 1.5k per quest. It took a bit over 3 weeks to complete a previous archepass track (equipment/vocation/combat). It takes 7 weeks to complete the pumpkin pass. You can only go up 3 levels per week on the pumpkin pass (4 levels on the first week because it starts at level 1).

When you are considering the pumpkin pass vs the old archepasses, it's important you remember that it takes twice as long. That means not only does the pumpkin pass have less rewards than the old archepass tracks, but you also could have completed two of the old archepass tracks during the same amount of time. Essentially, you are losing another track's worth of rewards in addition to what is already reduced in the pumpkin pass.

Old Archepass Rewards:

408~ Diligence (single track)
30 Labor Hammers (single track)
25,000 Honor/Vocation (single track)
Costume/Undergarments (Equipment)
Costume/Undergarments Lunafrost (Equipment)
Costume Synthesis Materials (Equipment) (480 Clear, 560 Vivid, 240 Lucid, 200 Radiant depending on what you took)
25 Heroic Auroran Synthesis Stone (Equipment) (heroic cloak synth)
30 Blue Salt Bonds (Equipment)
2.5 Serendipity Stones (Equipment)
160 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (Combat)
15 Luna Charm Rank 1 (Combat)
8 Resplendent Tempers (Combat)
140 Kyrios Badges (Combat)
2 Weapon Temper Anchoring Charms or 8 Armor Temper Anchoring Charms (Combat)
An awakening scroll ticket that gave a ton of awakening scrolls for catchup (Combat)
15 Fortune Boxes no matter what track you took
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider
Bunches of other things like Plant Houses, Expansion Scrolls, building management titles, various loot/honor pots, etc


Pumpkin Patch Rewards (EVEN WITH PREMIUM):
423 Diligence (350 base + 73 from weekly quests until completion. This is more diligence but ONLY BECAUSE THIS PASS TAKES TWICE AS LONG. If you consider you could do TWO previous tracks within the same amount of time it takes to do the single pumpkin pass, you're losing out on over 400 additional diligence compared to old passes)
23 Labor Hammers (This is 7 less from a single previous archepass. Again 37 if you're thinking in terms of "hey I could have done two previous archepasses already".)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
80 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (80/240 less)
80 Kyrios Badges (60/200 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
1 Serendipity Stone (1.5/4 less)
5 Luna Charm Rank 2 (you get 5 of these but no rank 1's. Since you need rank 1's not 2's to make higher tier luna charms, this is actually less helpful toward most players than rank 1's.)
4 Resplendent Weapon Tempering Charms OR 16 Resplendent Armor Tempering Charms (you get these, but they are just resplendent, not anchoring, so they are much less useful toward people pushing high tempers)
Loot/Auto Loot Powerstone/Saddle (these are nice but nearly make up for everything you lose)
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider (you could have gotten 2 in the time it takes to complete the pumpkin pass)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.

Pumpkin Patch Rewards (WITHOUT PREMIUM):
223 Diligence (185/593 less)
8 Labor Hammers (22/52 less)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
30 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (130/290 less)
50 Kyrios Badges (90/230 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
0 Serendipity Stones (2.5/5 less)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.
You get no pet/mount/glider in the free track. (Also supposedly the pumpkin has a good ability to make the caster untargetable for 3s.)


The proposed structure of the pumpkin pass would be ok - longer, single archepass track that rotates more frequently - but in order for it to work, rewards would need to be boosted so that they at least equal what we would have gotten for previous archepasses even for the free track. At the moment, it's just a straight reduction compared to the old free archepasses, even if you buy premium. And if you don't buy premium, you're just straight screwed. It is audacious to be asked to pay for an archepass that gives us much less than what we were getting previously.

This pretty much encapsulates what I mentioned in my previous reply. I am not looking forward to this one. Also why a pumpkin instead of the Ghost which already gives the same buff?


(I know this post is really long, and I apologize. I'm hoping breaking it down more will fully explain why this pass is so ♥♥♥♥ing bad.)

Partiesplayin
10-14-2020, 06:02 PM
There needs to be absolutely no progression items in the premium version of the Archepass or it will be pay to win and i wont be playing this game anymore . Also the lower amount of diligence coins is not a good thing so i don't like that .

Phinkis
10-14-2020, 06:03 PM
I'm actually not upset about more frequent but shorter/less archepass. That's a balance thing and as long as every player is receiving the same amount then it's not my concern. I also don't mind them adding paid content like Garden to the game. What I am 100% against is them adding things that give a player an advantage that can only be acquired by spending money. Adding all these things to the premium pass is exactly that. It's worse than legacy even, since you can't buy apex from other players...

Mortis321
10-14-2020, 06:19 PM
ich persönlich finde es eine frechheit soviel premium stuff reinzuhauen das gute am premium pass war bisher immer das er rein auf kosmetische artikel begrenzt war, der neue plan geht viel zu heftig in richtung p2w! und mal im ernst ein beschissener titel als belohnung? realy noch nutzloser gehts wohl nicht oder?

Wervdon
10-14-2020, 06:22 PM
I already replied once before this archepass stuff was known, but just to make my opinion known in full.

I do not consider a reasonable subscription (or this archepass equivalent) pay to win, it's pay to play which is not the game you sold us. I myself bought AAU in September after the recent free trial (after avoiding it for a year due to how badly burned I felt by Trion), and even then it was being clearly marketed as buy to play, only cosmetics for credits. This change, especially in this stealth manner, is a very unethical move and speaks volumes about the kind of people in charge at Gamigo.

You have a "AAA" quality MMO that is unique on the market, but you insist of running it like it's some app store scam. If the business practices matched the game quality, this game would of been HUGE and it's a crying shame.

Getting past that though, because clearly this is going to happen. I do not personally care if this becomes a subscription (or sub-lite) game. The archepass change is fine with me...but if it becomes this plus unlimited micro-transactions (labor pots, dilligence, awakening scrolls, etc. directly for credits) then I'm hard out. For fairness (and to save what little of your reputation that you can), you do need to massively BUFF the free pass so it's equivalent rewards to earlier seasons (and i mean equivalent rewards per week, not per nerfed level).

People will absolutely not be ok with both being lied to and having something they are used to having being taken away to be given partially back as a purchase....you need to be perceived as adding value for that purchase, not taking it away.

darknetwork
10-14-2020, 06:25 PM
no one like this archepass even during the 1st day of its release on PTS. This is clearly pay 2 win. Gamigo know it and that's why gamigo only leak it to us on PTS, 2 days before its release.

confido
10-14-2020, 06:41 PM
Why dont you just take plate out of the game. Taxxing mana another 5% for a total of 10% on top of reducing int points to mana ratio by 2. How about just have Leather and cloth in the game and save alot of headaches even shields are gimped against everything. Cloth can be just as tanky as plate in the right spec and plate might as well be cloth against all casters. please give us an option to get out of plate and turn plate into leather this is nonsense.

JuliusNovachrono
10-14-2020, 07:28 PM
Make the Archepass's premium buyable with DILIGENCE or GOLDS NOT WITH 1250 CREDITS!
Like I said if you gonna give this rewards with credits then I'm out of this game. It became P2W! You(gamigo, glyph) broke your promises! And I do not forgive those promise brokers!
I WANT MY 2304 HOURS BACK! It literally makes 84.75 days of NON-STOP PLAYING!! FFS!

JuliusNovachrono
10-14-2020, 07:56 PM
Your feedback over the years encouraged us to provide a different game experience for you, our community. ArcheAge: Unchained is a new way to play the game with a different business model. We've changed entirely its monetization which was simply not possible to this great extent with the already existing ArcheAge F2P version.

In ArcheAge: Unchained there is no longer a subscription model. With a one-time purchase, you can enjoy the content as often as you want. You will be able to purchase vanity items via Credits and we will implement seasonal ArchePasses. We are focusing on fairer gameplay which is why we decided to change a few monetization features for ArcheAge: Unchained. There’ll be more information in the next couple of weeks so stay tuned!

What is going to be in the marketplace for Credits?
Credits will be the currency you can acquire with your real money. With this currency, you will be able to acquire the premium tracks of the ArchePasses or cosmetic-related items. Some of the items you can acquire via Credits are cosmetic furniture for your houses, Salon Certificates, Glider or Costume images, and UCC (User Created Content) items.

Broken promises and so many lies. This is what you wrote when you guys started this game.
Don't broke your promises and make the archepass buyable with DILIGENCE or GOLDS NOT WITH CREDITS before it arrives to Unchained.
THIS IS LITERALLY P2W!!! WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND 1500 CREDITS FOR THIS!!!
IF THE OTHER PASSES WILL BE LIKE THIS THEN YOU GUYS DEFINITELY NEED TO CHANGE TO THE BUY PREMIUM WITH DILIGENCE or GOLDS!
https://i.imgur.com/SYGBbB9.png

Avadon1
10-14-2020, 09:01 PM
No one complained about the archepass, to be honest it was the only thing that was working properly. Implementing the above showed pass you completely destroy the current economy and you make the game pay to play because with 1 labor recharge per day the game is completely unplayable!!!! As many people stated already waiting for the new season of archepass was a huge motivation to play and everyone was hyped what rewards we will be getting. This pass is an utter disappointment and does NOT belong in Archeage Unchained but in Legacy...

Mauldin
10-14-2020, 09:07 PM
Back to Legacy?

Aislinna
10-14-2020, 09:28 PM
There appears to be confusion/lack of clarity as to how long the new 20 tier Archepass will take to complete. The announcement (https://www.trionworlds.com/archeage/en/2020/10/14/archepass-season-5-is-arriving-soon/) makes it sound like it takes 4 weeks to complete, but feedback from PTS shows it takes 7 weeks to complete based on 12 missions a week. Seems the new 20 tier Archepass takes more XP to complete a tier, but the missions still give the old XP amount. Requiring seven weeks to complete a monthly pass is a negative issue that should be addressed sooner then later.

If this new Archepass is meant to be monthly and supposed to be a replacement to one of the old 45 tier Vocation, Equipment or Combat Archepasses, then the new Archepass should take 4 weeks to complete, which is how long doing one of the three old 45 tier (Vocation/Equipment/Combat) Archepasses took to complete (45/12=3.75).

Hoping to provide constructive criticism, here are my thoughts based on a the assumption of an Archepass that takes 4 weeks to complete.

One of the old 45 tier Archepasses provided 370 diligence and an average of 33 labor rechargers, this should be maintained as basic rewards and not premium rewards. I'd also propose increasing the diligence to 100 per week/400 per pass, which is what many pets/mounts/gliders cost, allowing people to obtain one per pass if they choose. Make the labor rechargers be 8 per week/32 per pass; this is a labor recharger per day.

I also feel cosmetic items that are offered for credits should not be added to the Archepass. A cosmetic item should only be sold for credits after it has been in the Archepass, if at all. An example which made me personally question spending any more credits, was the addition of 3 new emotes, which I spent credits on, and then they were added a week later to the premium rewards of the following Archepass. This made me not want to spend credits on cosmetics and not buy the premium pass because I felt scammed. With the goal of reworking the marketplace and Archepass, customers feeling scammed is not a good tactic. Many also felt scammed having spent diligence for quality of life items that are now offered for credits with this rework. The idea floating around that every item in the Archepass should be offered for diligence or credits, makes the concept of a premium Achepass obsolete in my opinion. If I can buy single items at any time from the marketplace, I have zero incentive to buy the premium Archepass. The premium Archepass should offer unique/exclusive rewards or valued consumables.

As for premium rewards, I do feel quality of life items should be offered as enticement to buy the premium Archepass. I think any pets, mounts, or gliders offered should be premium rewards, but should only be non-achievement collection items, i.e., no glider that is required to complete the Sky Emperor collection achievements. I feel unique/exclusive decor/cosmetic items that can only be obtained by the premium Archepass should be offered, like the Immovable Hammock that was in one Archepass.

I also like the Potion Crates, which let you choose honor or vocation, better then the specified honor or vocation potions.

I'm sure I haven't thought of everything, but here is a sample Archepass. I feel 20 premium rewards is too many, as they would soon start to be redundant; in my opinion, offer less premium rewards, but make them good items.

Tier...Basic Reward.......................................Premi um Reward
01.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
02.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
03.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
04.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
05.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
06.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
07.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
08.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
09.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
10.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
11.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
12.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
13.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
14.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
15.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
16.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
17.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
18.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
19.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
20.....Title...................................... .............Non-collection pet, mount or glider


*Basic Reward Item Examples:
Gilda Star, Potion Crate, Bound Hereafter Stone, Bound Solar/Lunar Temper, Infusion Supply Kit, Fortune Box, Kyrios Badge, Elixirs, Luna Charm, Expansion Scroll, Shatigon's Gift, Gone Fishing Pack, Rampage Chroma Pack, Seaskimmer Speedboat Bundle, Consumable Supplies Pack, Bound Crest Brainstorm, Specialization Snowflake, Multi-Wagon Upgrade Ticket, Tax Certificate, Building Mamangement Title, Synthium Shard Ticket, Auroran Sythesis Box

*Premium Reward Item Examples:
30-Day Traveler's Blessing, 30-Day Auto-Loot Powerstone, 30-Day Loot Drop Powerstone, 30-Day auto-Loot Saddle, Synthium Soap, Unique/Exclusive Weapon/Armor Skins, Wrapped Decor Limit Increase, Bound Crest Trade Pack, Dye Ticket, Salon Certificate, Gender Swap Certificate, Fast Travel Pack, Language Proficiency Spellbook

Thank you.

JuliusNovachrono
10-14-2020, 09:42 PM
There appears to be confusion/lack of clarity as to how long the new 20 tier Archepass will take to complete. The announcement (https://www.trionworlds.com/archeage/en/2020/10/14/archepass-season-5-is-arriving-soon/) makes it sound like it takes 4 weeks to complete, but feedback from PTS shows it takes 7 weeks to complete based on 12 missions a week. Seems the new 20 tier Archepass takes more XP to complete a tier, but the missions still give the old XP amount. Requiring seven weeks to complete a monthly pass is a negative issue that should be addressed sooner then later.

If this new Archepass is meant to be monthly and supposed to be a replacement to one of the old 45 tier Vocation, Equipment or Combat Archepasses, then the new Archepass should take 4 weeks to complete, which is how long doing one of the three old 45 tier (Vocation/Equipment/Combat) Archepasses took to complete (45/12=3.75).

Hoping to provide constructive criticism, here are my thoughts based on a the assumption of an Archepass that takes 4 weeks to complete.

One of the old 45 tier Archepasses provided 370 diligence and an average of 33 labor rechargers, this should be maintained as basic rewards and not premium rewards. I'd also propose increasing the diligence to 100 per week/400 per pass, which is what many pets/mounts/gliders cost, allowing people to obtain one per pass if they choose. Make the labor rechargers be 8 per week/32 per pass; this is a labor recharger per day.

I also feel cosmetic items that are offered for credits should not be added to the Archepass. A cosmetic item should only be sold for credits after it has been in the Archepass, if at all. An example which made me personally question spending any more credits, was the addition of 3 new emotes, which I spent credits on, and then they were added a week later to the premium rewards of the following Archepass. This made me not want to spend credits on cosmetics and not buy the premium pass because I felt scammed. With the goal of reworking the marketplace and Archepass, customers feeling scammed is not a good tactic. Many also felt scammed having spent diligence for quality of life items that are now offered for credits with this rework. The idea floating around that every item in the Archepass should be offered for diligence or credits, makes the concept of a premium Achepass obsolete in my opinion. If I can buy single items at any time from the marketplace, I have zero incentive to buy the premium Archepass. The premium Archepass should offer unique/exclusive rewards or valued consumables.

As for premium rewards, I do feel quality of life items should be offered as enticement to buy the premium Archepass. I think any pets, mounts, or gliders offered should be premium rewards, but should only be non-achievement collection items, i.e., no glider that is required to complete the Sky Emperor collection achievements. I feel unique/exclusive decor/cosmetic items that can only be obtained by the premium Archepass should be offered, like the Immovable Hammock that was in one Archepass.

I also like the Potion Crates, which let you choose honor or vocation, better then the specified honor or vocation potions.

I'm sure I haven't thought of everything, but here is a sample Archepass. I feel 20 premium rewards is too many, as they would soon start to be redundant; in my opinion, offer less premium rewards, but make them good items.

Tier...Basic Reward.......................................Premi um Reward
01.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
02.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
03.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
04.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
05.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
06.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
07.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
08.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
09.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
10.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
11.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
12.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
13.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
14.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
15.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
16.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
17.....*Basic Reward Item that rotates
18.....Labor Recharger x8.............................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
19.....Diligence x100....................................*Premium Reward Item that rotates
20.....Title...................................... .............Non-collection pet, mount or glider


*Basic Reward Item Examples:
Gilda Star, Potion Crate, Bound Hereafter Stone, Bound Solar/Lunar Temper, Infusion Supply Kit, Fortune Box, Kyrios Badge, Elixirs, Luna Charm, Expansion Scroll, Shatigon's Gift, Gone Fishing Pack, Rampage Chroma Pack, Seaskimmer Speedboat Bundle, Consumable Supplies Pack, Bound Crest Brainstorm, Specialization Snowflake, Multi-Wagon Upgrade Ticket, Tax Certificate, Building Mamangement Title, Synthium Shard Ticket, Auroran Sythesis Box

*Premium Reward Item Examples:
30-Day Traveler's Blessing, 30-Day Auto-Loot Powerstone, 30-Day Loot Drop Powerstone, 30-Day auto-Loot Saddle, Synthium Soap, Unique/Exclusive Weapon/Armor Skins, Wrapped Decor Limit Increase, Bound Crest Trade Pack, Dye Ticket, Salon Certificate, Gender Swap Certificate, Fast Travel Pack, Language Proficiency Spellbook

Thank you.

What you saying is not changing the p2w things.
These rewards have a difference like a mountain. The things you can buy with diligence is so much high and please read my quote, the one I wrote before this, that i wrote properly. We are not complaining about the time. We're complaining the thing they giving with money. Which can change the game forever.

SLrd
10-14-2020, 09:54 PM
The old archipass worked for everyone !!! But you lied and said that he doesn't equal us ... With these changes, you leaked the gamers to other projects. Please leave the old archipass!

Anduins
10-14-2020, 10:00 PM
Many in the Russian/Euro community are also in favor of preserving the old ArchPass. :mad:The new ArchPass is terrible, not thought out and does not match what we agreed to when buying access. Do not make this new ArchPass, otherwise many players will go to other projects, and this one will have to be closed.

Blargety
10-14-2020, 10:05 PM
Seriously making a mistake not back-peddling and addressing this CURRENT Archepass guys. Servers were damn near empty today. This isn't our feedback. This is us protesting. You won't be making "Changes" to the November Archepass, you'll be closing shop on several servers and preparing to merge them instead. You're 100% going to lose players over this. You're 100% making a mistake, and you need to swallow it, apologize to us, and make it right.

Absolutely disgusting maneuver on your part. Not only are you giving us less, you're asking us to pay more. Do you think we're a bunch of simpletons and there isn't any competition for your title out there that could possibly whisk us away? Look at your Discord. For three days, non-stop players talking about how bad of a move this is. This thread alone has more replies than pretty much any other that's been put up here in a while, and it's all negative feedback, which should tell you something.

SMH. No Tricks. No Traps. This is the very same move the other company pulled before the lawyers started to pop out of the woodwork.

Shaksa
10-14-2020, 11:47 PM
What is the point of asking people's opinion if you do everything your own way? Since the news about archpass appeared, there have been a huge number of negative reviews and what is the result ?! the players' opinion was not taken into account. Congratulations, you killed the project. p2p-> DLS-> p2w ... what's next?

Vertyo
10-15-2020, 12:17 AM
So I agree that all you have added aren't P2W! But how about so called Premium Archepass you already had? Those are the most P2W in this game as you can buy titles and have boosted bufs and now you can buy Diligents ... for real ?

JuliusNovachrono
10-15-2020, 12:56 AM
Your feedback over the years encouraged us to provide a different game experience for you, our community. ArcheAge: Unchained is a new way to play the game with a different business model. We've changed entirely its monetization which was simply not possible to this great extent with the already existing ArcheAge F2P version.

In ArcheAge: Unchained there is no longer a subscription model. With a one-time purchase, you can enjoy the content as often as you want. You will be able to purchase vanity items via Credits and we will implement seasonal ArchePasses. We are focusing on fairer gameplay which is why we decided to change a few monetization features for ArcheAge: Unchained. There’ll be more information in the next couple of weeks so stay tuned!

What is going to be in the marketplace for Credits?
Credits will be the currency you can acquire with your real money. With this currency, you will be able to acquire the premium tracks of the ArchePasses or cosmetic-related items. Some of the items you can acquire via Credits are cosmetic furniture for your houses, Salon Certificates, Glider or Costume images, and UCC (User Created Content) items.

Broken promises and so many lies. This is what you wrote when you guys started this game.
Don't broke your promises and make the archepass buyable with DILIGENCE or GOLDS NOT WITH CREDITS before it arrives to Unchained.
THIS IS LITERALLY P2W!!! WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND 1500 CREDITS FOR THIS!!!
IF THE OTHER PASSES WILL BE LIKE THIS THEN YOU GUYS DEFINITELY NEED TO CHANGE TO THE BUY PREMIUM WITH DILIGENCE or GOLDS!
https://i.imgur.com/SYGBbB9.png
THIS IS IT THEY ARE NOT LISTENING US ME AND MY 50 MEMBERS ARE LEAVING THE GAME! HAVE A GOOD DAY WITH YOUR P2W GAME!

Craffity
10-15-2020, 01:13 AM
Regarding the new ArchePass. It is a very bad idea to add Diligence and labor restorations to the premium track. Especially if you need to buy Credits to unlock the premium one.
The pet would be fine if it would be a purely cosmetic one. But "it makes the owner invulnerable for a short period of time". Thats really strong and locked behind a paywall? Not like this pls :(
You either have to put in more PURELY cosmetic things in the premium archepass to make it more attractive to players so they might buy credits to unlock the premium track or if the rewards will stay this way, you have to make it unlockable with diligence, gilda or gold. otherwise this is the definition of PAY TO WIN. The very thing you wanted to combat with AAU.
I really hope you will listen to the playerbase because I don't want this game to die tbh.

Aislinna
10-15-2020, 02:08 AM
What you saying is not changing the p2w things.
These rewards have a difference like a mountain. The things you can buy with diligence is so much high and please read my quote, the one I wrote before this, that i wrote properly. We are not complaining about the time. We're complaining the thing they giving with money. Which can change the game forever.

"What you saying is not changing the p2w things." So, which of the items I proposed as premium rewards do you consider "pw2" and why?

KvakVaka
10-15-2020, 02:36 AM
As a matter of principle, I won't buy a paid pass. Before that, I repeatedly took it for the sake of costumes. not now! this is p2w!!!

zoolie
10-15-2020, 02:55 AM
The premium pass gives over twice the amount of diligence which makes it P2W as it translates into more labor potions and therefore the amount of gold you can make.

ManiacTM
10-15-2020, 03:18 AM
I think the definition of P2W they state is correct. But what theyre doing is pretty 2faced, considering that pay to progress isnt any better than P2W and i consider that as pay to progress, which has killed many F2P games. So for a buy to play game that made nothing but empty promises so far, this outcome is really disappointing and its a pity that so many players will quit due to this.
If you really wanna fix this, first of all you should NEVER even consider such methods again.
second, you should be FAR MORE transparent with the community, because you have lost all trust already.
third, if you want people to forgive you for this huge mistake, just hand out free archepass premium once per account.
if at least these things are dealt with, i think a lot of players will forgive this big mess you have caused.

Tlalocan
10-15-2020, 03:38 AM
definition of Pay to win - "a situation where the player can buy in-game content or in-game changes, with real money, that give the player a gameplay advantage, advance the player gameplaywise or can achieve more results in less gametime."

think about that ArcheAge. reconsider and talk to the community about what should be in the shop for real money.

Your statment about the upcomming changes: " So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics. "

Objection: If an item is an timesaver to obtain items, gear etc. quicker for REAL MONEY..... wake up..... that is considered PAY-2-WIN. Do you think we are blind-struck-dumb? if you wanna make a bug. bring some interesting costumes, weapon skins etc. for less Credits and more people will buy.

Derpmore
10-15-2020, 04:01 AM
Don't put dili and rechargers in premium pass, it's supposed to only have convenience items. Dili is not convenience it's important for everyone, so are rechargers and kyrios badges.

Beastx
10-15-2020, 04:47 AM
I cannot compete with someone who plays the same amount of time and has the premium pass.
Like many many others in the game, if this stays then we leave.

Shintara
10-15-2020, 05:02 AM
definition of Pay to win - "a situation where the player can buy in-game content or in-game changes, with real money, that give the player a gameplay advantage, advance the player gameplaywise or can achieve more results in less gametime."

think about that ArcheAge. reconsider and talk to the community about what should be in the shop for real money.

Your statment about the upcomming changes: " So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics. "

Objection: If an item is an timesaver to obtain items, gear etc. quicker for REAL MONEY..... wake up..... that is considered PAY-2-WIN. Do you think we are blind-struck-dumb? if you wanna make a bug. bring some interesting costumes, weapon skins etc. for less Credits and more people will buy.

Je te rejoins dans ce que tu dis, mettez plus de skins pour moins cher et vous aurez plus de clients, donc plus de revenus. La boutique doit rester neutre côté évolution et avantages en jeu.

Struggler
10-15-2020, 05:33 AM
Just in case the CM-s didn't get our feedback and want more of it.
Take out the pet from the Archepass and the diligence and the labor.

The only thing that should be left in the premium archepass to make it appealing to everyone should be:

1.Temporary Autoloot stones.
2. Temporary Anywhere Warehouse and Mailbox.
3. Temporary Vehicles like the rampage chroma
4.BOUND Good furnitures for the house buidlers.
5.BOUND Building management tiles,BOUND Wagon upgrade tickets and BOUND Speedboat upgrade tickets.
6.Inventory Expansions crolls. (Make these unbound since it's not a big deal.)

And remove those items from the dili shop so people will have to buy the archepass if they want these convinience items.

It's the best thing you can do giving people incentive to buy your Premium Archepass with Minimal Community Outrage.

Devinel
10-15-2020, 05:45 AM
this archepass is rubbish, get back to old style 3 archepass, with 3 premium, this is just pointless and will reduce the fun in this game even more

XSola
10-15-2020, 06:15 AM
Hello Gamigo, I am your paying customer. Previously I bought Archeum edition of Garden DLC just to support the game (I don't use costumes, I don't care much about icon near my name, so I could've just bought the cheapest one, but I decided to show some support). I have 3 accounts, for which I occasionally bought costumes or dye ticket here or there.

New archepass? What do we have here?

200 diligence in premium, 150 in base? 23 total labor rechargers in a pass with premium? Serendipity stone in premium track? Tempers there too? Progression-related items behind a paywall (no matter the amount) in Unchained? Really?

Bye.

Sidi
10-15-2020, 06:25 AM
So I have to say I really dislike the new ArchePass.
I felt like previously we already fell short with diligence, especially player that started later. 400 Diligence for a mount or a glider that ypi basically need several of if you want to stay competitive is ALOT, that doesnt even count for labor rechargers you may buy for diligence to try and catch up with gear.
I dont mind paying for cosmetical or convenience items, but 200 diligence and a bunch of labor rechargers is just a no go. Additionally with the new Pass system there are no much less rewards for it and it is basically trying to force people into buying the Premium Ticket.

If you want to support your newer players, you need to implement better ways to obtain Glider and Mounts.

Widukind
10-15-2020, 06:44 AM
The new ArchePass is the end of the game for a lot of players. I and other players I know still playing cause of the ArchePass. Now you cut it off from 135 quests to 20 !!!!!!!.
Back to P2W.

Vorobey
10-15-2020, 06:46 AM
what do you turn the game into? another pay-to-win project? who needs the marche pas you introduced today? 1 archepass of the 20 levels till the month of December? are you kidding me?

NiiS
10-15-2020, 06:50 AM
As probably you're well aware, this pass rewards are really unwanted and p2w style. More so, you didn't reset progression so anyone who did the pass on monday didn't unlock it now. Also this forces you to buy premium or you setback yourself in terms of game progression. Either reset the peoples progression and drawback or release it on next monday and remove the premiumside's all char progression enchancers.

Caleara
10-15-2020, 07:11 AM
Hallo, der Pass ist ja nicht schlecht, nur das man jeden Monat 9,99 € ausgeben muss damit man den vollständigen Pass nutzen kann ist in meinen Augen doch P4W. Besser wäre es wenn die 3 Päss geblieben wären.

SilverHalo
10-15-2020, 07:19 AM
The amount of labour and dilligence given out with the new archepass is far too low.
Even if they do buy the premium, it's still unacceptably low and makes the game slow.

Aside from this... the bugs with archepass are still present.

Re-rolling the same quest over and over and over is very irritating; not fun at all. On this note, if I roll away '1 bond quest' then I do NOT want to see '2 bond quest' as the replacement. I don't know why there is a 1 bond quest and a 2 bond quest that both give the same reward. Similarly for labour, vocation and everything else. There should only be ONE quest of each type, and when you REROLL it you should NOT get the same quest again.

Secondly, this new pumpkin pass relocks itself and random meaning people are having to pay to unlock the missions more than once. Mine locked 3 times in a row for what appears to be no reason.

Risuyame
10-15-2020, 07:47 AM
Okay, the new ArchePass is disaster. Please come back to previous one before you completly destroy the rest of the game, currently thinking about leaving the game because of changes you done today.

par66
10-15-2020, 08:13 AM
Welldone on the new Archepass, I've been playing Unchained for 2 months now. This new Archepass is bad, the previous Archepass was one of the reasons I started to play. But this new pass has changed my mind now, after 2 months I wonder why I should continue to play the game. You need to return to the old Archepass and leave it alone, because at the moment I think I will be leaving you and Archeage alone.

Wafflebunneh
10-15-2020, 08:27 AM
Archeage you could make so much profit off of merchandise, give us translated versions of the book, give us high quality posters and plushies, we'd buy them in an instant
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?281481-Look-at-all-the-Archeage-Merchandise

You could also give us animation packs, custom idle animations, more emotes that arent just dancing (let me hold SOMEONES HAND) or more weapon effects with glowing and have a scepter shoot butterflies or a sword that has fire around it or something...

Give us more character customization, more scars and tattoos! People will buy accessory packs for that
Let our character accessories show up on our ears, neck and fingers!
Let us dye our armor, put crests on capes, more mount skills and armor variety, let me have a custom war flag I can ride into battle with
More pet idle animations, can they just please roam around my house D:
Custom emotes arent too difficult either
Release a book with concept art and lore?? Make posters of archeage backgrounds and concept art I will put it on my wall
In game lore books that can be sold as ACTUAL books when??

You need more game publicity, have a youtuber or streamer pick the game up, give away a few free codes and draw in a playerbase
Race change option when?
Add a scarring effect on players (they can fade and come and go, but you can disable it if you dont like it)
Let us skin weapons of diff types on top of each other (sword on top of scepter)
Can mages actually have their weapons show when they attack?? lmao
Different idle poses like sitting, waving, etc. basic stuff people will pay for! Animation crates and sets that arent dancing

Can we have more NPC interactions, fleets of ships just with NPCs, cities with bustling NPCs that do more than just stand there
Put things in other main cities that make them populated, not Austera just being populated, I wanna see City of Towers with more people
Boat variety, I see boats that sit idle in Lutesong harbor that Id kill for to have
More instruments and ♥♥♥♥ for the RPers? You can milk the RPers, we all know this
I wanna see caravans of NPCs that have special goods you can only get in certain regions and stuff
More decor.. please.. just an archepass premium with decent decor and not singular pieces. I want book shelves that are empty and I can fill, I want more posters, paintings, shelves, SINGULAR flower pots. Also, crest standup portraits please, I want a little portrait of my friends in it...
Also why is this event so ♥♥♥♥ty ITS HALLOWEEN DUDE
What if the website looked cleaner and nicer, like the KR website? Can we also get more lore story translations? KR has a series on Empress Pavitra that I'd kill for

YOU DONT HAVE TO FORCE PLAYERS TO BUY PREMIUM PASS STUFF FOR YOU TO MAKE REVENUE. YOU CAN ADD OTHER OPTIONS THAT WONT AFFECT PEOPLES PROGRESS AND HOW FAST THEY ADVANCE, SELL THINGS THAT WONT AFFECT GAMEPLAY AND SPEED

Nameonuar
10-15-2020, 09:42 AM
Make the ArchePass Great Again! Now that is only P2W WTF!!!!!!!!??????

Satansoul
10-15-2020, 09:44 AM
To be honest, new archepass system is awful. To close one branch of previous archepass, I needed slightly more than 3 weeks, now I need 7 weeks for worst reward. And come on, you're FORCING people to pay for premium pass, FORCING. You said that diligance coins will be obtainable only through free pass on Start. And now, we have MORE diligance from premium pass, than from basic. You turn game into P2W, and don't hide behind your definition of P2W, you know what people means under P2W. And the funniest thing, even then, most of rewards in premium pass is useless, and you're FORCING people to pay 10 euros for 200 dili coins.

Are you feel OK after that? People leaving game after this changes

Barcodes
10-15-2020, 09:52 AM
New archepass should be changed. Not only upcoming November one, October one (Pumpkinpass) too. They are shorter, slower (5745 exp=4missions. 7weeks needed for only 19 tiers), and less valuable (in terms of dil). You stated that the archepass is changed since there were several comments that the order version is too slow, but the new one you made is much more slow, and disappointing things.
And for the definition you take for the "P2W", is meaningless if the definition cannot be agreed among the customers. Actually, you can hold your new definition about "p2w", but you will be sued, and the ppl will leave the game. Please don't do any amatuer things.

Pau
10-15-2020, 09:52 AM
i mean where u listen to community if 99% of ur community dont like new ap?

SLrd
10-15-2020, 09:53 AM
remove this paid archipass that affects the gameplay! Why did you lie to the gamers ?! You said except that the purchase of the game no longer needs to pay for the game! but you have already deceived us twice and violated the user agreement !!!

Phinkis
10-15-2020, 09:58 AM
The powerstone pet autolooter and loot enhancer aren't even wrapped so they count down as soon as you claim them. Sorry new players that might not have a powerstone pet yet... They will be gone before you can even get the pumpkin.

princess
10-15-2020, 10:10 AM
You have a "AAA" quality MMO that is unique on the market, but you insist of running it like it's some app store scam. If the business practices matched the game quality, this game would of been HUGE and it's a crying shame.



That. The changes I'm hearing about sound awful. Paying money to get LESS dilligence and labor pots??? Very disappointing, particularly since I only recently decided to start routinely buying the premium version for my main character. Don't think I will bother upgrading now since it feels like you're exploiting your fans, and it's inappropriate to reward Gamingo/whoever for that.

Server populations are dwindling so you want more money from each of the remaining players -- I get it, it makes sense, but this isn't the way to go about it. If you want more money, then simply put more decorations, costumes and emotes in the credit shop. I actually don't mind having the owl and warehouse etc in the credit shop, that type of thing seems okay to me as long as people can get it another way. But please give people more time to decide to purchase, a week or whatever is not long enough for those of us who agonize over every dollar spent on a game. By the time I've finally decided to part with my limited disposable income, the items have been removed or the sale is over.

I'm asking gently here. Does the person in charge of pricing, have they ever studied the marketing theories which drive purchasing decisions? It takes A LOT for me to part with $20 dollars for one item in a game! When the beer set came out, it was only five dollars, I didn't even hesitate, immediately grabbed my credit card. Because it was FIVE dollars, not twenty!! There's a lot of research which has been done into "micro transactions" which apparently generates more revenue for games of this type.

One last thing. Even though I've been playing since the beginning, I've noticed how difficult it is for new players to feel relevant, and to gear up. This game just doesn't consider the power imbalance at all, it assumes everyone has been playing the same length of time and is on a somewhat equal footing. To remove that "barrier to entry" for new players, give special things which only apply to lower gear score players. You did it recently with the plushie in hero hall which gave a bigger discount to lower gs players when installing infusions -- that was a great start but a lot more of that please. Make that discount the norm, all the time. Perhaps give them an extra bonus infusion or two at Halcy (and other daily events) regardless how well their team scored And put a handicap on the higher gs players when they kill a much lower gs player when they are out and about in the world (NOT during daily events). For instance, take some honor and leadership away (perhaps even some vocation), and have the game give it to the player they killed.

Thank you for reading. I hope you're listening!

Daymio
10-15-2020, 10:15 AM
Another one "broken promises", now about "only cosmetics in premium part of archepass". New archepass with only one line almost in 2 times longer then past, and worser by basic rewards in same 2 times.
Publisher's reputation on my eyes goes down, but who cares, money don't smell! But... sniff-sniff... It smell disgusting...

Phinkis
10-15-2020, 10:19 AM
Also wasn't this change supposed to be because "people" said the old Archepasses took too long? Also, there is only one but they will be more frequent? So, the new pass takes 6 weeks to complete, opposed to less than 4 weeks for 1 of the 3 before. So now if we have even 2 archepasses in the same time we used to get 3 it will take LONGER to complete them. I swear, is there any real communication that goes on over there? Who the heck hobbled this thing together and did they every even ask anyone if they thought it was a good idea? If this is the way the company is going to run then they may as well scrap AA2 right now cause if things don't change no one will trust you enough to even try it.

princess
10-15-2020, 10:29 AM
whoa. The great and awesome Wafflebunneh has some seriously GREAT ideas, I'd gladly give you money for different emotes besides dancing and the ability to customize more things!!


Archeage you could make so much profit off of merchandise, give us translated versions of the book, give us high quality posters and plushies, we'd buy them in an instant
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?281481-Look-at-all-the-Archeage-Merchandise

You could also give us animation packs, custom idle animations, more emotes that arent just dancing (let me hold SOMEONES HAND) or more weapon effects with glowing and have a scepter shoot butterflies or something...

Give us more character customization, more scars and tattoos! People will buy accessory packs for that
Let our character accessories show up on our ears, neck and fingers!
Let us dye our armor, put crests on capes, more mount skills and armor variety, let me have a custom war flag I can ride into battle with
More pet idle animations, can they just please roam around my house D:
Custom emotes arent too difficult either
Release a book with concept art and lore?? Make posters of archeage backgrounds and concept art I will put it on my wall
In game lore books that can be sold as ACTUAL books when??

You need more game publicity, have a youtuber or streamer pick the game up, give away a few free codes and draw in a playerbase
Race change option when?
Add a scarring effect on players (they can fade and come and go, but you can disable it if you dont like it)
Let us skin weapons of diff types on top of each other (sword on top of scepter)
Can mages actually have their weapons show when they attack?? lmao
Different idle poses like sitting, waving, etc. basic stuff people will pay for! Animation crates and sets that arent dancing

YOU DONT HAVE TO FORCE PLAYERS TO BUY PREMIUM PASS STUFF FOR YOU TO MAKE REVENUE. YOU CAN ADD OTHER OPTIONS THAT WONT AFFECT PEOPLES PROGRESS AND HOW FAST THEY ADVANCE, SELL THINGS THAT WONT AFFECT GAMEPLAY AND SPEED

zoomzale
10-15-2020, 10:47 AM
When you can pay real money to get extra labor potions, tempering charms, and infusions (all things that allow your character to progress faster), you have crossed the line that you PROMISED us you wouldn't cross (even the additional 3X diligence allows extra labor potions, and other items).
"Disappointing", was having to pay for DLC. This is grossly beyond that.
Whatever loyal base you still had will erode away - many guild members have already left, and we're only a couple of hours after the update).
The game still had so much potential. So very sad.

orashionsheis
10-15-2020, 11:04 AM
The new archepass is not helping neither the new or the old players. The 3 categories from the old archepass' were giving more stuff that made our daily gameplay a lot easier. With the new one, we get the first diligence at level 7, and by buying the premium, it gives us 100 more. I think it's unfair because it gives no labor rechargers nor diligence (like it used to), and it's affecting the new and the old players. It seems unfair to get 50 diligence with the basic and 100 with premium. For me it's disturbing, not to be able to craft/upgrade. I am playing Unchained for 8 months, i bought the game and the DLC, i don't intend to pay more with every new archepass so I can get the premium. Well, that was all, have fun!

Rukie
10-15-2020, 11:05 AM
What a mess this new archepass is, you had a great working system with the previous archepasses (apart from the down time between the last pass), then go and screw it all up with this move that both gives less dil and is seriously p2w. Not Impressed.

Enixi
10-15-2020, 11:07 AM
New archepass rewards for basic are extremely low
New rewards for premium + basic seem worse than old
Archepass premium is very expensive under this system and seems to be $20 USD a month (2 pass upgrades). That's a steep subscription price.

If the model will be kept, suggest reducing the cost of the premium price to make it more palatable. In my region its $30 for 2 pass upgrades and it fluctuates on currency. 10-15 an account seems far more reasonable.

PILSHAAS
10-15-2020, 11:08 AM
Hi,

Please rollback the recent Archepass changes. I'd normally not take the slightest effort to post anything at a forum, but this time it has to be done. OLD ARCHEPASS PLEASE.

Greetings

PS. At discord the staff keeps referring to this forum, I'd like to refer you to Discord, for whats left of the (deleted) messages it's 100% clear the recent Archepass change is NOT OK.

BloodredDragon
10-15-2020, 11:11 AM
So old Archepass was 3 passes, that took roughly a month each to complete... how is releasing a pass that take a month to complete, to release another that following month any different? All you did was take away our ability to choose where we wanted to invest our time, plus 45 rewards a month vs 20 rewards a month isn't a shorter archepass, it's a big ol' screw you to all the players, because now we get less for the time invested.... so why does your post make it sound like we'd get more?

Olijah
10-15-2020, 11:25 AM
Even with premium pass, there's not enough labor rechargers or Dilli coins to buy some...there's no way i'll buy premium to get less reward than before or do u plan to put labor recharger with credits ?

Time to stop the game if u keep going with this pass !

OLD PASS BACK PLEASE

Phinkis
10-15-2020, 11:26 AM
Oh, more feedback! Since the rewards are compressed, we must wait weeks between labor rechargers and diligence, which is not fun. Some of the reward levels seem super weak too.

WitchyWoman
10-15-2020, 11:36 AM
When the game opened Gamigo said pay once never pay again for access to any of the AA world. p2w was restricted to cosmetic items only. Then the DLC comes out. The company walked back what they said about not paying again, but promised that as long as we paid for DLC it would keep the game non p2w. Before a new DLC even launches we start getting p2w items. Official stance. We decided to go with a medium level of p2w. Do you even see why the player base is upset? You have broken every promise made. None of us know if we let this go like we did with the DLC how long before you break your promise again.

The problems is not that the game is getting some p2w elements. The problems is the company lies. Even when the company said that the p2w items were obtainable in game they release stuff not obtainable behind a paywall which the community was 100% against. If that was not bad enough you reduce what you give players, make them work longer for it for the same price. Seriously with the reductions how long before a new player can get a glider? What about people who spend their dill for powerstones or language books. You broke the community's trust and broke the best part of the game. What can we now buy dill on marketplace because you decided to remove most of it from archpass?

We gave you player supported ways to make money. We told you what we would pay for that was not against p2w. We told you most of us are unwilling to spend $50 for a costume (remember there is still a large part of your playerbase unemployed or underemployed by corona), but instead of changing the price point of items so more people spend money your solution is to simply gate more things behind a paywall. Seriously if people are not spending money now like you want do you seriously think we will spend more as you take free things away from us and put it behind a pay wall?

I played legacy from launch for 3 years. I quit. I only decided to come back because AAU was not p2w. When I started AAU I met lots of people who did the same. There was gold buying/selling and harassment that the company did not control. Most of the people were griefed out of game. Then the DLC pushed more people off game. Now you want to kill the rest? I quit legacy for p2w and players are quitting AAU for the same reason at a time the game can hardly spare the people. Visit your servers. On my server East can not even get 50 people for siege, but sure making Jola stronger etc will solve the issues. FIX WHAT IS BROKEN before making changes to kill your remaining playerbase.

DestinationLove
10-15-2020, 11:37 AM
I've been playing AAU since May of this year and I've spent over $100 on this game since then. It's the equivalent of a $20/month subscription and it shows I'm not against spending money on the game, but the new premium archepass is P2W. If I wanted P2W, I would have gone back to legacy Archeage that I quit a few years ago due to P2W.

I'm done with Gamigo and Trion. You won't get another dollar from me and I will spread the word amongst my friends and online communities about the bad faith of Archeage, Trion, and Gamigo.

WitchyWoman
10-15-2020, 11:44 AM
Wait..... It takes 7 week to complete the new archpass and you are releasing a new one every month. So we have to chose to do every other pass or abandon a pass to complete a new one that has better rewards? Your milking $10 a month from people and giving us crap. This sounds a lot like paid patron, but with fewer rewards. At least legacy didn't have to pay for the DLC. And on legacy you can buy Apex off marketplace to pay for your monthly sub.

Tubruk
10-15-2020, 11:49 AM
You deserve to get profit for the awesome work done. I would be very happy knowing you are very well rewarded for your hard working. But it doesn't matters what you think P2W is. It matters what YOUR COSTUMER think P2W is. It matters what U SAID it was going to happen (and mainly, what WAS NOT GOING to happen) if we buy the game, back there in the beginning. You will, again, be sucessfull on ruinning the best game in the market cause you don't listen to your costumer and don't answer to their needs. Leaving the game. Again. I hope u understand that, if u are not answering your costumer properly, they will leave, and no matter what u do, profit will be reduced. I hope u understand or some other game developer shows up willing to make huge profit with crowded server selling cosmetic itens and offering us an awesome game like this one.

Adelphi
10-15-2020, 12:02 PM
Oh, more feedback! Since the rewards are compressed, we must wait weeks between labor rechargers and diligence, which is not fun. Some of the reward levels seem super weak too.

its really really awful this archpass i finished 1 on stena premium does it make me want to buy premium nope, 12 missions and tier 4 the rewards are appalling we won't see diligence till next week or labor chargers that we have waited weeks already for, doesn't feel rewarding either feels painfully more expensive as in xp used is massive to reach each tier now and so slow, we went from an archpass that gave 43 to 45 tiers (maybe 15 rewards as in tiers to that 12 missions) to this shambles, so ur actually giving a lot less rewards and even with premium doesnt make up for it at all, this is RIP

Cortexia
10-15-2020, 12:13 PM
Utter Garbage.

No labor, no Dilligence.... Why fix what wasn't actually broken :mad:

TmzOS
10-15-2020, 12:37 PM
So.. I decided to check the new pass after "reading a bit of frustration" of many players out there... and... well... what are you doing with this game Gamigo?

You just want people away from it, right?

Majiuki
10-15-2020, 01:01 PM
English:
Hello,

first to me, up to now I have mostly gotten Premium for my main character for the 3 passes if the costume was halfway interesting. I also bought several costumes directly.

So I'm not afraid to spend a few Euros here and there in the game.

But honestly, the new Archepass is a slap in the face.
Less diligenz coins, less work points and then all that behind a payment barrier.

Then the bad joke that the time limited items start to expire when you pick them up, instead of having to unpack them in your inventory. Who came up with this nonsense.

Then you have to do 4 tasks for one level? This feels like a punishment and not like before a reward.

Hope that the old Archepass will come back and since the premium area will be a little more interesting, the looter saddle would be a good choice. But in the now introduced version the pass is totally off and uninteresting.

I for my part will wait this month and see how the next pass looks like, if it stays like this I will have to think about if and what consequences I will have for me.

To make the pass with Twinks without premium has become almost senseless. And I don't see the point of getting more than one char premium, because it's expensive enough anyway.

With kind regards
Majiuki


German:
Hallo,

erstmal zu mir, bisher habe ich mir meistens für mein Hauptchar für die 3 Pässe wenn das Kostüm halbwegs interessant gewesen ist Premium geholt. Auch habe ich mir diverse Kostüme direkt gekauft.

Ich scheue mich also nicht hier und da mal ein Paar Euro im Spiel auszugeben.

Aber ganz ehrlich, der neue Archepass ist ein schlag ins Gesicht.
Weniger diligenz coins, weniger Arbeitspunkte und dann das ganze noch hinter einer Bezahlschranke.

Dann der Schlechte Witz das die Zeitlich Begrenzten Items beim abholen direkt anfangen abzulaufen, anstatt das man sie im Inventar erst auspacken muss. Wer hat sich den Blödsinn ausgedacht.

Dann muss man 4 Aufgaben machen für eine Stufe? Das kommt sich wie eine bestrafung vor und nicht wie vorher eine Belohnung.

Hoffe ehrlich das der alte Archepass wieder kommt und da der Premium Bereich ein wenig interesanter wird, da würden sich der Plünder Sattel anbieten. Aber in der nun eingeführten Version ist der Pass total daneben und Uninteressant.

Ich für meinen Teil werde diesen Monat noch abwarten und dann sehen wie der nächste Pass ausschaut, sollte das so bleiben werde ich mir überlegen müssen ob und welche Konsequenzen ich für mich ziehen werde.

Mit Twinks den pass zu machen ohne Premium ist fast Sinnfrei geworden. Und ich sehe nicht ein für mehr als einen Char Premium zu holen, da der eh teuer genug ist im endeffekt.

Mit Freundlichen Grüßen
Majiuki

MegaMire
10-15-2020, 01:39 PM
If the problem with the old system was that for some people the ArchePass took too long to complete, why not sell an ArchePass Boost item in the credit shop near the end of a season that increases the active Archepass tier to maximum? An item like this has already been implemented in the game as compensation for players who were unable to complete the first season of the Archepass back in December 2019. I think this way we can have the old non pay-to-win Archepass back and the players who couldn't complete it in time can spend a small amount of credits at the end of the season to catch up to everyone else.

Anayaa
10-15-2020, 01:48 PM
Bring back the old archepass. The new one is straight P2W and horribly made. We get like 60% less diligence, would take ages to buy something.

Sayumi21
10-15-2020, 01:48 PM
Salutation,
Je viens de lire les commentaires et je pense ne pas avoir besoin dans rajouter une couche mais si j'ai un conseil a vous donner @Gamigo, c'est d'être réactif! Une dernière chose, en ce qui concerne les nouveaux joueurs, laissez les avoir accès aux anciens archepass qu'ils bénéficient des mêmes avantages que les autres joueurs plus anciens.
Cordialement
Sayumi

Hallo
Ich habe gerade die Kommentare gelesen und denke nicht, dass ich eine Schicht hinzufügen muss, aber wenn ich Ihnen einen @Gamigo-Rat geben soll, dann muss ich reagieren! Was die neuen Spieler betrifft, so haben sie Zugang zu den alten Bogenschützen, die ihnen die gleichen Vorteile wie den älteren Spielern bringen.
Herzlich
Sayumi

PS: google traduction

Poga
10-15-2020, 02:23 PM
and with this archepass, unchained went full on pay 2 win, you can ♥♥♥♥ing buy labor now!!!

The4Given
10-15-2020, 02:44 PM
They say on the tooltip that the 30 days starts when unwrapped, yet when you claim them from the premium, they are automatically unwrapped. Not a bright idea if either A) the player is new and it will take greater than 30 days to get the powerstone pet on the premium, or B) the experienced player already has a powerstone running on their pet. please wrap the timed items on the archepass or do not mislead with the tooltip stating once unwrapped...

InnerDrive
10-15-2020, 03:17 PM
Straight up, this new archepass is pay to win all over, the "premium" rewards are like 20x better than the basic rewards and they are not just cosmetic like before. And the only way to get the premium rewards is getting out our credit card. Its not going to happen. Lets just all quit , game is going pay to win , that should teach gamigo.

You are not even trying to hide how pay to win this new archepass is!

And than i am not even going to talk about how crap the archepass is compared to the previous season ones, how we going to get diligence coins now? Pay more money? What else do you have planned? We been through this before , you start adding very small pay to win elements , now medium/large impact pay to win elements. And once you started you just keep going. We don't trust you. You already went way too far.

If you do not remove all pay to win from the game immediately we will quit, you promised unchained would not have pay to win, keep your promise or see us leave.

echoless
10-15-2020, 03:21 PM
I'm losing all will to continue playing this game. I was looking forward to the Gem Carvers feature to finally fix my gear but now you want me to pay real money for this? You promised no P2W, yet you directly introduce Gem Carvers as a paid item that directly saves you several thousand gold and gives you power.

Funnily enough Gem Carvers were available for free (not credits) in ArcheAge Legacy. Yes, the official P2W version of ArcheAge is less P2W than Unchained. Amazing.

Kashira
10-15-2020, 03:23 PM
The new Archepass is bordering the line of p2w imo (unlike straight up lunagems in the cashshop....yeah..totally not p2w. 7k honor or 350 credits....hmmmmm). I had no problem spending credits to upgrade the old version just to get the costume but now its just "hey pay us money and we'll give you actually helpful items." trash
Random gripes: taking 4 missions just to upgrade 1 level of archepass is pure ♥♥♥. Having multiple passes that each had unique items that went by faster was much more fun and satisfying. Also quite unhappy about (but slightly understanding of) no longer being able to use teir 1 quest infusions on anything but t1 quest gear.

Laresq
10-15-2020, 03:27 PM
To continue my thoughts on what I said yesterday:

A single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards could work. HOWEVER:
The current incoming archepass has fewer tiers AND significantly LESS rewards. AND it takes twice as long as an old single track. That is even if you buy premium.
The pumpkin pass has higher exp requirements per level for a total over 109k exp to complete, but our weekly quests still give 1.5k per quest. It took a bit over 3 weeks to complete a previous archepass track (equipment/vocation/combat). It takes 7 weeks to complete the pumpkin pass. You can only go up 3 levels per week on the pumpkin pass (4 levels on the first week because it starts at level 1).

When you are considering the pumpkin pass vs the old archepasses, it's important you remember that it takes twice as long. That means not only does the pumpkin pass have less rewards than the old archepass tracks, but you also could have completed two of the old archepass tracks during the same amount of time. Essentially, you are losing another track's worth of rewards in addition to what is already reduced in the pumpkin pass.

Old Archepass Rewards:

408~ Diligence (single track)
30 Labor Hammers (single track)
25,000 Honor/Vocation (single track)
Costume/Undergarments (Equipment)
Costume/Undergarments Lunafrost (Equipment)
Costume Synthesis Materials (Equipment) (480 Clear, 560 Vivid, 240 Lucid, 200 Radiant depending on what you took)
25 Heroic Auroran Synthesis Stone (Equipment) (heroic cloak synth)
30 Blue Salt Bonds (Equipment)
2.5 Serendipity Stones (Equipment)
160 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (Combat)
15 Luna Charm Rank 1 (Combat)
8 Resplendent Tempers (Combat)
140 Kyrios Badges (Combat)
2 Weapon Temper Anchoring Charms or 8 Armor Temper Anchoring Charms (Combat)
An awakening scroll ticket that gave a ton of awakening scrolls for catchup (Combat)
15 Fortune Boxes no matter what track you took
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider
Bunches of other things like Plant Houses, Expansion Scrolls, building management titles, various loot/honor pots, etc


Pumpkin Patch Rewards (EVEN WITH PREMIUM):
423 Diligence (350 base + 73 from weekly quests until completion. This is more diligence but ONLY BECAUSE THIS PASS TAKES TWICE AS LONG. If you consider you could do TWO previous tracks within the same amount of time it takes to do the single pumpkin pass, you're losing out on over 400 additional diligence compared to old passes)
23 Labor Hammers (This is 7 less from a single previous archepass. Again 37 if you're thinking in terms of "hey I could have done two previous archepasses already".)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
80 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (80/240 less)
80 Kyrios Badges (60/200 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
1 Serendipity Stone (1.5/4 less)
5 Luna Charm Rank 2 (you get 5 of these but no rank 1's. Since you need rank 1's not 2's to make higher tier luna charms, this is actually less helpful toward most players than rank 1's.)
4 Resplendent Weapon Tempering Charms OR 16 Resplendent Armor Tempering Charms (you get these, but they are just resplendent, not anchoring, so they are much less useful toward people pushing high tempers)
Loot/Auto Loot Powerstone/Saddle (these are nice but nearly make up for everything you lose)
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider (you could have gotten 2 in the time it takes to complete the pumpkin pass)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.

Pumpkin Patch Rewards (WITHOUT PREMIUM):
223 Diligence (185/593 less)
8 Labor Hammers (22/52 less)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
30 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (130/290 less)
50 Kyrios Badges (90/230 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
0 Serendipity Stones (2.5/5 less)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.
You get no pet/mount/glider in the free track. (Also supposedly the pumpkin has a good ability to make the caster untargetable for 3s.)


The proposed structure of the pumpkin pass would be ok - longer, single archepass track that rotates more frequently - but in order for it to work, rewards would need to be boosted so that they at least equal what we would have gotten for previous archepasses even for the free track. At the moment, it's just a straight reduction compared to the old free archepasses, even if you buy premium. And if you don't buy premium, you're just straight screwed. It is audacious to be asked to pay for an archepass that gives us much less than what we were getting previously.


(I know this post is really long, and I apologize. I'm hoping breaking it down more will fully explain why this pass is so ♥♥♥♥ing bad.)

Totally agree, the most argumentative comment here.
This pass is 'pay to loose money' as even with money you'll get much less then previously.
And what about LP - the most drastic loss, it slows down beginners but it almost stops avg GS ppl as they need much more LP to catch up with top players. So now this gap between low GS and highs GS players almost frozen....

youbroo
10-15-2020, 03:50 PM
my guild is leaving the game as a whole!

Sloth0272
10-15-2020, 04:01 PM
We would like to explain the term “Pay-to-Win" item because we have found out that this might lead to confusion. A “Pay-to-Win" item gives an ultimate advantage over someone who does not own this or a similar item. So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.

Labor regenerates overtime and you can fill it up by using labor rechargers. So playing more or having a different tactic will not change this. In this game most activities revolve around labor. from making money to upgrading gear. If player A has a free archepass, and player B has the premium archepass. Player B will have gotten 15k more labor than player A. You are saying that does not give player B an advantage? Paying to get a leg up on other players is generally refereed to as a pay to win feature. How will player A get 15k more labor to compensate for not having the upgraded archepass by playing more? If there is a way I would love to know.

If getting more labor and diligence than other players by paying isnt pay to win in your eyes, then why not just add them to the credit store?

Sloth0272
10-15-2020, 04:08 PM
To continue my thoughts on what I said yesterday:

A single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards could work. HOWEVER:
The current incoming archepass has fewer tiers AND significantly LESS rewards. AND it takes twice as long as an old single track. That is even if you buy premium.
The pumpkin pass has higher exp requirements per level for a total over 109k exp to complete, but our weekly quests still give 1.5k per quest. It took a bit over 3 weeks to complete a previous archepass track (equipment/vocation/combat). It takes 7 weeks to complete the pumpkin pass. You can only go up 3 levels per week on the pumpkin pass (4 levels on the first week because it starts at level 1).

When you are considering the pumpkin pass vs the old archepasses, it's important you remember that it takes twice as long. That means not only does the pumpkin pass have less rewards than the old archepass tracks, but you also could have completed two of the old archepass tracks during the same amount of time. Essentially, you are losing another track's worth of rewards in addition to what is already reduced in the pumpkin pass.

Old Archepass Rewards:

408~ Diligence (single track)
30 Labor Hammers (single track)
25,000 Honor/Vocation (single track)
Costume/Undergarments (Equipment)
Costume/Undergarments Lunafrost (Equipment)
Costume Synthesis Materials (Equipment) (480 Clear, 560 Vivid, 240 Lucid, 200 Radiant depending on what you took)
25 Heroic Auroran Synthesis Stone (Equipment) (heroic cloak synth)
30 Blue Salt Bonds (Equipment)
2.5 Serendipity Stones (Equipment)
160 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (Combat)
15 Luna Charm Rank 1 (Combat)
8 Resplendent Tempers (Combat)
140 Kyrios Badges (Combat)
2 Weapon Temper Anchoring Charms or 8 Armor Temper Anchoring Charms (Combat)
An awakening scroll ticket that gave a ton of awakening scrolls for catchup (Combat)
15 Fortune Boxes no matter what track you took
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider
Bunches of other things like Plant Houses, Expansion Scrolls, building management titles, various loot/honor pots, etc


Pumpkin Patch Rewards (EVEN WITH PREMIUM):
423 Diligence (350 base + 73 from weekly quests until completion. This is more diligence but ONLY BECAUSE THIS PASS TAKES TWICE AS LONG. If you consider you could do TWO previous tracks within the same amount of time it takes to do the single pumpkin pass, you're losing out on over 400 additional diligence compared to old passes)
23 Labor Hammers (This is 7 less from a single previous archepass. Again 37 if you're thinking in terms of "hey I could have done two previous archepasses already".)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
80 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (80/240 less)
80 Kyrios Badges (60/200 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
1 Serendipity Stone (1.5/4 less)
5 Luna Charm Rank 2 (you get 5 of these but no rank 1's. Since you need rank 1's not 2's to make higher tier luna charms, this is actually less helpful toward most players than rank 1's.)
4 Resplendent Weapon Tempering Charms OR 16 Resplendent Armor Tempering Charms (you get these, but they are just resplendent, not anchoring, so they are much less useful toward people pushing high tempers)
Loot/Auto Loot Powerstone/Saddle (these are nice but nearly make up for everything you lose)
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider (you could have gotten 2 in the time it takes to complete the pumpkin pass)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.

Pumpkin Patch Rewards (WITHOUT PREMIUM):
223 Diligence (185/593 less)
8 Labor Hammers (22/52 less)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
30 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (130/290 less)
50 Kyrios Badges (90/230 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
0 Serendipity Stones (2.5/5 less)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.
You get no pet/mount/glider in the free track. (Also supposedly the pumpkin has a good ability to make the caster untargetable for 3s.)


The proposed structure of the pumpkin pass would be ok - longer, single archepass track that rotates more frequently - but in order for it to work, rewards would need to be boosted so that they at least equal what we would have gotten for previous archepasses even for the free track. At the moment, it's just a straight reduction compared to the old free archepasses, even if you buy premium. And if you don't buy premium, you're just straight screwed. It is audacious to be asked to pay for an archepass that gives us much less than what we were getting previously.


(I know this post is really long, and I apologize. I'm hoping breaking it down more will fully explain why this pass is so ♥♥♥♥ing bad.)

Personally i am fine with having better/ pay to win rewards for the upgraded archepass, as long as it doesnt subtract from the rewards we would normally be getting from the archepass.
I would Prefer if the archepass was changed back to how they were BUT have the premium rewards similar to how this new pass is. That way people dont get anything less than they would normally and the people who opt to buy the pass upgrade still get their moneys worth.

Caelestis
10-15-2020, 05:19 PM
Add another to the list of people leaving the game. I'm cleaning up my properties and preparing them for tax repo. It is a shame because I do love Archeage but I'm not playing this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bait and switch with you. Fix your ♥♥♥♥ and make good on your promises and I'll be one of the first ones back.

Xiuh
10-15-2020, 06:33 PM
You say its not P2W.. but... really? How does you have the nerve to say that!!!! think please.. with that "new archepass" I lose 50% of labor recharges in my account (to get more diligences and make more recharges i need TO PAY!!!!!!) and labor its ALL in THIS GAME! labor its GS.. labor its GOLD... labor its TAXES... labor its ALLLLL!!!!! so u say "nah, its not P2W, Np man"..... and... some people who dont know how to really use diligences and rechargers.. say like "meh, its the same for me".... but i use all diligence in rechargers... trying to use the way more "efficence"... and you literally cut my legs off, because im from argentina 10 usd for me its 2 days food... i spend to buy the game.. i really love the game.. PLEASE dont make it P2W! I WANNA PLAYY!!!!!

Conclusion: NEW ARCHEPASS ITS P2W!

Afkalt
10-15-2020, 06:45 PM
Lets not buy the pass. lets see if they make the change. is they dont they have a population willing to paid so good for them move on nothing to see.

Afkalt
10-15-2020, 07:04 PM
what rewards should included? if u add anything that is not cosmetic you missing out period.

prism2525
10-15-2020, 07:11 PM
No need to rant or get vulgar though I really wish I was.

I joined my guild in AAU cos it was different than legacy and not p2w.

AAU is now P2W, so I'm out.

Way to mess up a good game.

Zotahdr
10-15-2020, 08:13 PM
I quit.

Land3r
10-15-2020, 11:02 PM
doing archpass was still keeping me at the game for a while :) not anymore
free land spots

Widukind
10-16-2020, 02:17 AM
I also assume that Gamigo did so with full awareness of the rejection of the new ArchePass. They just want to merge servers and there are still too many players for that. So they piss off the players with Pay2Win. They need the money to develop ArcheAge 2.
It's such an arrogance that unites many game makers. Always pay attention to the investors and not to the player. Shame on you Gamigo.

Taelix
10-16-2020, 02:53 AM
I also assume that Gamigo did so with full awareness of the rejection of the new ArchePass. They just want to merge servers and there are still too many players for that. So they piss off the players with Pay2Win. They need the money to develop ArcheAge 2.
It's such an arrogance that unites many game makers. Always pay attention to the investors and not to the player. Shame on you Gamigo.

Either they did it knowing we hated the idea and would leave over it, or the Community Managers decided not to tell them, which is almost as bad. Considering I've been muted for over a day on the discord for voicing my opinion on it, and the fact that they let legacy players continue to troll the remaining unchained players in the discord I'm guessing it's a little of both.

We're being told to post here and they will gather the feedback to send in to their superiors, the feedback should have been CRYSTAL CLEAR and sent in BEFORE the update went live. People say don't blame the CMs but they are negligent in making our voices heard, people say don't blame the CAs but they continue to silence us instead of taking a stand as the players they are.

Wudu
10-16-2020, 03:21 AM
Im done with this game.All good look and be save!

Sunev
10-16-2020, 03:28 AM
"The only way to acquire combat and power items in ArcheAge: Unchained, is through gameplay" - Jake Song, creator of ArcheAge

going against what was previously said to the media is apparently getting trendy.
reverse the changes made to archepass.
The only thing you're achieving is killing the game

VeryWell
10-16-2020, 03:49 AM
Many of us waiting new AP to get more labour, coz we spend all, coz we play this game.
Aaaaaand now we get this new AP and we need wait another 3 !!! week to collect 50 coin ! 50 !!!
Even if use premium its 150 coin. Its toooo smal amount for gamplay.
Without labour we cant play. CANT ! Do you understand ?
Looks like man who created this new AP hate archage and want see this game dead. I cant see another point to create this AP.
So, how WE must play with 2500 lp per day ? Tell us !!!

sterea16
10-16-2020, 04:17 AM
The definition of Unchained is now simply wiped out. Forget about that freedom. Now you can pay real money for better gear and more delligence coins.

GG! That was the last breath for archeage, if you don't change this nonsense pass.

Sheogorad
10-16-2020, 04:40 AM
Dafür das ich Unchained spiele, ist es ein Hohn, das auf einmal die Leute mit Echtgeld-Einsatz im Spiel solche Vorteile bekommen. Somit ist Arche Age Unchained nun ebenfalls "Pay to Win", was ich sehr schade finde.

Adryss
10-16-2020, 04:48 AM
I don't think I saw a single post in this thread approving of the new archepass. Anyone who mentions it on discord gets pointed to the thread, and then banned if they keep complaining about it.

Yet the archepass still went live.

Maybe a community manager can tell me what the purpose of this thread is when 100% of the people say "Don't do it" and you do it anyways. Are you really collecting feedback to implement? Or are you trying to put all the canned rage into a single thread so you don't have to deal with it?

herq
10-16-2020, 05:40 AM
return the old system Archepass !

Valakas
10-16-2020, 05:57 AM
i am super exiting to know how did you compare 5 free gem swaps with unlimited purchasing in the marketplace.

This is not unbalanced? Instead of doing the same as KR official servers which gave gem switchers free 2twice you decided to sell them ..

And this you don't call p2w? Is 1 time free sell can be compared to unlimited sell ? You just lol and company of liars. You're ignoring all the ♥♥♥♥ that you have broken in the game. killed economy, killed alchemy with you events, killed interest and the most important killed our trust.

Valakas
10-16-2020, 06:08 AM
Now if to say positive. is fine to bring consumables for premium aapas like tax bottles, labor or other things which can just help but not stuff that require tons of time to have. Not deligens or pets. .

Regarding labor is ok to reduce its amount but could be better to remove it from dell store at all. Bring rechargers only in aapas.. th economy killed because players have unlimited amount of labor.


all the time you are selling stuff for del and for cry together is fine since players can decide what to send real money or in game currency but its cant be limited items for del and unlimited items for cry. Or , cry item which costs 10 dollars while the dell version costs 1k. (basically players have option or spent 3 months of playing or spend 10$. is simply not fair )

Addex
10-16-2020, 07:25 AM
Doing the Archepass was the only thing that kept me coming ... if I wanted a P2W game I would go to Black Desert.

Awful change and nice bait and switch.

The Wanderer
10-16-2020, 07:27 AM
This was really poorly conceived.

Trenjeska
10-16-2020, 07:32 AM
At first I thought we would get a pass done every 3 weeks now with a time of at least 4 weeks (one week to spare for missed time due to holiday etc...) Then this pass would have at least a little more rewards WITH premium (still ♥♥♥♥, but understandable) but it seems the new pass is 8 weeks long, so stuff is halved EVEN IF WE PAY and even worse if we don't.
And yeah, Grootster elaborates it clearly. Trino gets a phat thumbs down (Magigo? need new rito plz....)


To continue my thoughts on what I said yesterday:

A single track with fewer tiers and bigger rewards could work. HOWEVER:
The current incoming archepass has fewer tiers AND significantly LESS rewards. AND it takes twice as long as an old single track. That is even if you buy premium.
The pumpkin pass has higher exp requirements per level for a total over 109k exp to complete, but our weekly quests still give 1.5k per quest. It took a bit over 3 weeks to complete a previous archepass track (equipment/vocation/combat). It takes 7 weeks to complete the pumpkin pass. You can only go up 3 levels per week on the pumpkin pass (4 levels on the first week because it starts at level 1).

When you are considering the pumpkin pass vs the old archepasses, it's important you remember that it takes twice as long. That means not only does the pumpkin pass have less rewards than the old archepass tracks, but you also could have completed two of the old archepass tracks during the same amount of time. Essentially, you are losing another track's worth of rewards in addition to what is already reduced in the pumpkin pass.

Old Archepass Rewards:

408~ Diligence (single track)
30 Labor Hammers (single track)
25,000 Honor/Vocation (single track)
Costume/Undergarments (Equipment)
Costume/Undergarments Lunafrost (Equipment)
Costume Synthesis Materials (Equipment) (480 Clear, 560 Vivid, 240 Lucid, 200 Radiant depending on what you took)
25 Heroic Auroran Synthesis Stone (Equipment) (heroic cloak synth)
30 Blue Salt Bonds (Equipment)
2.5 Serendipity Stones (Equipment)
160 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (Combat)
15 Luna Charm Rank 1 (Combat)
8 Resplendent Tempers (Combat)
140 Kyrios Badges (Combat)
2 Weapon Temper Anchoring Charms or 8 Armor Temper Anchoring Charms (Combat)
An awakening scroll ticket that gave a ton of awakening scrolls for catchup (Combat)
15 Fortune Boxes no matter what track you took
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider
Bunches of other things like Plant Houses, Expansion Scrolls, building management titles, various loot/honor pots, etc


Pumpkin Patch Rewards (EVEN WITH PREMIUM):
423 Diligence (350 base + 73 from weekly quests until completion. This is more diligence but ONLY BECAUSE THIS PASS TAKES TWICE AS LONG. If you consider you could do TWO previous tracks within the same amount of time it takes to do the single pumpkin pass, you're losing out on over 400 additional diligence compared to old passes)
23 Labor Hammers (This is 7 less from a single previous archepass. Again 37 if you're thinking in terms of "hey I could have done two previous archepasses already".)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
80 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (80/240 less)
80 Kyrios Badges (60/200 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
1 Serendipity Stone (1.5/4 less)
5 Luna Charm Rank 2 (you get 5 of these but no rank 1's. Since you need rank 1's not 2's to make higher tier luna charms, this is actually less helpful toward most players than rank 1's.)
4 Resplendent Weapon Tempering Charms OR 16 Resplendent Armor Tempering Charms (you get these, but they are just resplendent, not anchoring, so they are much less useful toward people pushing high tempers)
Loot/Auto Loot Powerstone/Saddle (these are nice but nearly make up for everything you lose)
Unique Pet/Mount/Glider (you could have gotten 2 in the time it takes to complete the pumpkin pass)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.

Pumpkin Patch Rewards (WITHOUT PREMIUM):
223 Diligence (185/593 less)
8 Labor Hammers (22/52 less)
17,500 Honor/Vocation (7500/32500 less)
30 Radiant Infusion Supply Kits (130/290 less)
50 Kyrios Badges (90/230 less)
10 Solar Tempers (regular, not resplendent)
10 Lunar Tempers (regular)
0 Serendipity Stones (2.5/5 less)
You get no costume, costume synth, awakening scrolls, etc that were incredibly helpful and looked forward to in previous passes.
You get no pet/mount/glider in the free track. (Also supposedly the pumpkin has a good ability to make the caster untargetable for 3s.)


The proposed structure of the pumpkin pass would be ok - longer, single archepass track that rotates more frequently - but in order for it to work, rewards would need to be boosted so that they at least equal what we would have gotten for previous archepasses even for the free track. At the moment, it's just a straight reduction compared to the old free archepasses, even if you buy premium. And if you don't buy premium, you're just straight screwed. It is audacious to be asked to pay for an archepass that gives us much less than what we were getting previously.


(I know this post is really long, and I apologize. I'm hoping breaking it down more will fully explain why this pass is so ♥♥♥♥ing bad.)

Trenjeska
10-16-2020, 07:56 AM
They say on the tooltip that the 30 days starts when unwrapped, yet when you claim them from the premium, they are automatically unwrapped. Not a bright idea if either A) the player is new and it will take greater than 30 days to get the powerstone pet on the premium, or B) the experienced player already has a powerstone running on their pet. please wrap the timed items on the archepass or do not mislead with the tooltip stating once unwrapped...
The only thing they will change is the tooltip. They will never change some mistake in the players favour.

Sloth0272
10-16-2020, 12:27 PM
If the basic pass had diligence i would just completely skip these seasonal passes. THe leveling for the basic pass is normal instead of requiring a ton of exp per level. you get a way more labor rechargers for leveling it, for 10g you get a bunch of gilda stars along with honor and vocational

Kasgho
10-16-2020, 05:14 PM
Old archepass please.

Siddalee
10-16-2020, 08:07 PM
Here's what I like about the new passes: they are appropriately seasonal. However, it's still late...it's a 6 weeks to complete the pass, so even if we had saved missions up for this week, we're not going to get the Spoopy Title until Thanksgiving. So it could use better timing. But being a month late is better than being months late like the Christmas ones were. So if you take no further critique from me: please make it so the ArchePass rewards line up with when the player completes it, not when it's released.

You said:

So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.

It's one month later, and you've already lied to us.

There is NO way to get the Powerstone Pumpkin except through the Premium ArchePass. It's NOT available in the Diligence Shop, so how is this not a direct contradiction of what you just said?

Look, I think there are a lot of good ways to ensure people buy the Premium ArchePass without affecting Diligence income. I personally don't think a 100 Diligence item (the Serendipity Stone) is that big of a deal. But you've already broken a lot of trust be redefining what you meant by "pay to win" versus why a lot of people are playing this game, and now you've gone and lied again within a month.

But anyway, here's my suggestion:
1) Add this pet to the Diligence Shop. I'm going to assume at this point that this is an oversight and not deliberate.

2) Remove Diligence from the Premium ArchePass and add it back into the free ArchePass.

3) Boost the labor rechargers in the free ArchePass, unless you plan to add another pass in November that runs concurrent to the Pumpkin Pass, which is what I think you are saying? Otherwise, why describe this as a month-long pass when it takes 6 weeks to complete and runs two months in-game?

4) Add the ArchePass Upgrade Ticket to the Gilda shop. This will make your quoted statement actually true regardless of what you actually add to the ArchePass. If you plan to release a new Pass every month, then I think 500 Gilda is a very reasonable price for it. Anyone can get ~17 Gilda a day whether they solo or do WB raids.

5) The 30-day items...could you at least WRAP them? If I am going to be spending money on this, I would rather choose when to use something. Especially considering if this were to be my first Powerstone Pet, the associated items will be expired by the time I get the Pet I can use them on.

Raogrimm
10-17-2020, 12:36 PM
Just posting to add myself to the list of people leaving the game due to the lies and broken promises. I think the only "feedback" that matters to Gamigo is how much money they make off these new changes so I choose to vote with my wallet.

reddevil
10-17-2020, 02:56 PM
Gamigo this new AP is pay to win or what ever you want to call it. Labor and dc are progress items which you cant compensate with playing more hours per day. Even the (auto) loot drop stones are 120 dc worth each.
You're backing down on your promisses when you started with AAU not even a year ago. First with paying for DLC and now this AP. I got a feeling that this will be not the last change you will make to turn it even more to P2w/p.
Now it starts to be more like Legacy or even worse then legacy in a way.
Is this why you divided the community into 2 versions ? At the moment i only see plots open up everywhere on AAU, ppl are really leaving the game. Ending up with 2 badly running versions of AA. It's just a shame.

Edit: as many already said. Only one pass "per month" with way less rewards will also slow down everything a lot in general but especially for those who dont buy the premium.
But also the pass will according to the date end 17 December? So new pass will start after that? Xp needed for the pass will take longer then 1 month. By all of the these changes you try to push ppl to buy the premium pass to get more labor and dc which are very important for progress.
Putting those Gem carvers into cashshop for only credits is also a nono. They are bound and no other means to get them.

These changes has nothing to do with what you said its even the opposite :

"We will offer a fair gameplay environment for everyone regardless of their playtime, therefore improving the quality of life experience. This will also further improve the overall adventure that is ArcheAge: Unchained and make it the perfect environment for all of our players."


Beside this i see a change in legacy too. Labor rechargers you mostly only could get by loyalty (35) now you can buy it in cashshop for only 80 credit. Sounds a good price only compared to the amount of loyalty needed (around 240 loyalty per month you can get if you login everyday which sounds like the base reward for DC in AAU), 35 loyalty is way to much.
Also overtime several items for credits (costumes/mounts etc) you couldnt get with loyatlyt anymore like before.
This is also pushing ppl to pay for it instead of using loyalty. Only different on Legacy is that you got the option to buy costumes, mounts and other stuff on AH for gold which we cant on AAU.

All of these changes feels more like a mind game for pushing ppl towards using credits and not a improvement of quality of life experience and making the perfect environment for all players. Be honest about it and dont try to fool ppl by telling them its for a fair play.

Musical Eggs
10-17-2020, 03:30 PM
This new Archepass is terrible; it lacks content seen in previous Archepasses by a mile and a half. With or without the pay to win bull that has been implemented you STILL get less than any of the previous ones. Why the sudden change? Is it XL pushing you for more profits? Is the game not doing well? Why not discuss with XL more ways to bring non-p2w content to the game like mount skins/pet skins (and not just empty shells of that have been stripped of their abilities, actual skins.) I don't believe I can continue to play a game of broken promises unless it's reverted for the better. The desperation is clear though I guess, with the lunagems in the cash shop screaming pure pay to win.

frostyfeet
10-17-2020, 11:41 PM
regarding the new archepass ..... it is horrible just plain horrible , before you at least got a reward each time you did something but now 4 k labour just to get 50 bound hereafter stone ??????????? wheres the vocation pass and all the lovely rewards why remove them ? i usually dont complain but this is truly a horrible change it was great before only thing that took too long in my opinion was the time from when you finished it and a new came out , everything else was perfect... why ruin something that works so great and start doing crap like this :/ im sad this used to be my main thing i looked forward too now theres nothing left in this game for me to be quite honest , sad but i hope you guys change it back to what it was and not having 1 pass that dosent yield anything decent or great for us who focus on the roleplay and like our houses gardens etc , even if i wanted to pay for the big archepass theres nothing literally nothing that makes it worth spending tons of materials or labour just for getting the reward its as far from economical as it gets sadly ill have to let this game go now , maybe ill be back in future but this it the worst imo you have done to date

AKsidia
10-18-2020, 11:22 AM
What you are doing right now and with this update is killing the game for a lot of people. Personally, I feed ArcheAge Unchained is a scam, if you are struggling with income why the hell make the game Buy-To-Play in the first place? Make it a monthly subscription base.

People in the US and EU should file a lawsuit for this kind of scam as you guys promised people that AAU will not be Pay-To-Win.

Sorianumera
10-18-2020, 12:20 PM
The new Archepass is a bad joke! And the Pay2Win content (and the explanation) is not ok.
My whole guild left the game. Great! I so hoped for the new Archepass and new content but no... I guess I have to leave. too :(

Turambaredolas
10-18-2020, 12:23 PM
Let's face it:
The main issue here is not about breaking a promise or knowing too little about their own game (which already are huge problems). It's about the idea that they think they can give a promise and re-define a term used in that promise according to their own benefits to create the delusional idea that this promise wasn't broken on their end.


We would like to explain the term “Pay-to-Win" item because we have found out that this might lead to confusion. A “Pay-to-Win" item gives an ultimate advantage over someone who does not own this or a similar item. So long as we ensure there are other ways to get a specific item, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win". If it saves you time, it is not considered as “Pay-to-Win" because you can compensate by playing more or having different tactics.

And here is the deal: By this definition of pay-to-win even legacy is NOT pay-to-win because you cannot directly buy an eternal erenor t3 item or a fully equipped enoan from the publisher.

The funny part is, however, that according to this definition the DLC should be considered pay-to-win even in their own eyes because there are no other ways to get certain items if you haven't bought the DLC.