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SD-
03-29-2014, 12:48 PM
Thinking of going with a Fighter Build similar to this (tweaks pending of course.)
Basically I want something that can take and dish damage, so I can play the role of a dual wielding defender/bodyguard type. I've never been a fan of ranged classes, and wanted to go pure melee, so I figured there's enough anti snare/root in this to keep me competitive.

www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=011101110010110102010110010110001171100000 001011000

Thoughts?

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:03 PM
you forgot link

SD-
03-29-2014, 01:06 PM
you forgot link

D'oh! so I did!

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:07 PM
Do you really think that I will search for such build?

SD-
03-29-2014, 01:08 PM
Do you really think that I will search for such build?

apologies added

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:08 PM
K I will give you best build for fighter!

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:11 PM
Wrong link
take this one

SD-
03-29-2014, 01:21 PM
Wrong link
take this one


Well that's all well and good except it's a Secret Knight Build, and uses a shield. I'm pretty sure I said I wanted to be a dual wielding fighter. Thanks for build option though! :)

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:22 PM
It is not Secret Knight build!
I just went trough secret Knight link!

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:35 PM
Please read message I set to you !
http://www.archeage-impact.de/index....00000001011000
Wrath of the Boar useless
Why do you have triple blow and Instantaneous Impact, they both are no cooldown skills, you need only one of them, will edit more after you read my message and do what I askt!

rodde
03-29-2014, 01:41 PM
you put 8 points into protection, so you HAVE to use a shield with such a build or at the very least switch between 1h/shield and dual wielding.

also you say you want don't pick phantom blow and piercing even tough it's your main tree and claim that you won't be using a shield.

in conclusion, as far as PVE goes, you can use that build, but it will fail hard in PVP.

i advise you to test politician (combat/finesse/will) which seems to fit more in the playstyle you are looking for.

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:49 PM
Yes your skills set is bad, there are allot of flaws!
I will add changes in a moment

SD-
03-29-2014, 01:59 PM
Well keep in mind I've never played the game I'm going by reading the tool tips, evern though I have 2 no CD abilities they have 2 completely different functions to them, one is a damage increase and possible reset of a charge CD, and the other has a debuff on it. I have them for their toll tipped functions not CDs.

Also while I have 8 points into protection, I have zero abilities that require a shield, so not sure why it's mandatory I have a shield, when I clearly have nothing that requires it. Like I appreciate constructive critism, but You guys aren't giving me much to work with. Reasons why so I understand as to why these abilities I haven't been able to test aren't good. remember I'm working fully on tool tips.

Thanks for understanding.

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 01:59 PM
www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=711010100111010100000010111101001120101101 001100000
Allot of skills but if you get used to it then you might be able work this out
Do not know about protection it does not say if you need shield for every skill in this tree!

You only need one no cd skill keep that in mind!
You can change Wisper of Life to something else if it is more fit!

SD-
03-29-2014, 02:16 PM
Okay So I swapped a few things around from you're suggested build (I do not want to be rogue-ish at all so stealth, and shadow step are gone,) I also removed that block ability, the only reason I have anything in finesse is for the evade passive to be honest. I also took back rush, it's a gap closer on a much shorter CD than Plunge, but kept Plunge as well for it's stun, and as an alternate gap closer. Also I gave myself some AoE I'm trying to make a Dual Weilding in your face fighter not a guile and sneaky assassin.
www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=711110000110010000011110111101001120101100 001100000

I may nix this and go with Soldier instead. Like I said I'm more going for a dual wielding meat shield.

rodde
03-29-2014, 02:36 PM
the build pure rogue posted is already better but it is still lacking.

this should be more fitting for pvp.

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 02:52 PM
the build pure rogue posted is already better but it is still lacking.

this should be more fitting for pvp.
did you want to add link?

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 03:00 PM
Okay So I swapped a few things around from you're suggested build (I do not want to be rogue-ish at all so stealth, and shadow step are gone,) I also removed that block ability, the only reason I have anything in finesse is for the evade passive to be honest. I also took back rush, it's a gap closer on a much shorter CD than Plunge, but kept Plunge as well for it's stun, and as an alternate gap closer. Also I gave myself some AoE I'm trying to make a Dual Weilding in your face fighter not a guile and sneaky assassin.
www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=711110000110010000011110111101001120101100 001100000

I may nix this and go with Soldier instead. Like I said I'm more going for a dual wielding meat shield.
Well about stealth it is up to you, but there are allot of + for having such skill!From escape to attack and getting to certain places!And shadow step is a a good thing too as your 2 main skills focus on hiting enemy from behind and you can use it to get to enemy istantly!
About block , well you have enough skills to use in combat more would make it impossible to focus on fight, besides you can not only think about attack and do not think about defense as well!
I took Plunge because it has stun not root which is way better! and cooldowns are still hight so you will probably use it only once anyway!
No point of aoe if you will be killed in instant without defense!
My build is almost optimal of what you can get from thous 3 skill trees!

Nekrage
03-29-2014, 04:34 PM
Please read message I set to you !
http://www.archeage-impact.de/index....00000001011000
Wrath of the Boar useless
Why do you have triple blow and Instantaneous Impact, they both are no cooldown skills, you need only one of them, will edit more after you read my message and do what I askt!

WRONG! Triple is ONLY used for the knockdown while Instantaneous Impact is your standard spam skill.

www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=011001011101000012010111000110001171100010 111000010 Superior build in all aspects, if you want to discuss this further just message me or join my TS server.

Archeage Vet here, I don't theorycraft without ever touching the game like most people seem to do.

SD-
03-29-2014, 04:56 PM
WRONG! Triple is ONLY used for the knockdown while Instantaneous Impact is your standard spam skill.

www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=011001011101000012010111000110001171100010 111000010 Superior build in all aspects, if you want to discuss this further just message me or join my TS server.

Archeage Vet here, I don't theorycraft without ever touching the game like most people seem to do.


I like this build a lot. the only thing I'm not fond of is the stealth, is that a mandatory thing or can i swap that out for say the avoidance passive?
You are right of course about not theory crafting without testing or playing the game, and I should get the RU client to do so.

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 05:19 PM
WRONG! Triple is ONLY used for the knockdown while Instantaneous Impact is your standard spam skill.

www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=011001011101000012010111000110001171100010 111000010 Superior build in all aspects, if you want to discuss this further just message me or join my TS server.

Archeage Vet here, I don't theorycraft without ever touching the game like most people seem to do.

:d I have always had laughed at term veteran player, most of you guys think that you are good because you have played game longer but you are still noobs who just have spent more time in a game! This build is not superior in any way :D

But it is always up to you as veteran players are badass peoples

Nekrage
03-29-2014, 05:40 PM
:d I have always had laughed at term veteran player, most of you guys think that you are good because you have played game longer but you are still noobs who just have spent more time in a game! This build is not superior in any way :D

But it is always up to you as veteran players are badass peoples

Just looked at your build and lol'd VERY hard. www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=711010100111010100000010111101001120101101 001100000

So you are using a shield? NO CHARGE, NO KNOCKDOWN. No self heal, yet sees the need for the regen buff, uses multistrike over hardcut, no bolt of heaven. Your build is garbage.

How long have you played Archeage for? Let me guess, you haven't.

Nekrage
03-29-2014, 05:44 PM
I like this build a lot. the only thing I'm not fond of is the stealth, is that a mandatory thing or can i swap that out for say the avoidance passive?
You are right of course about not theory crafting without testing or playing the game, and I should get the RU client to do so.

The main PROBLEM with the russian version of the game in its current state is that fact the battles are about 6-10 seconds long...yes I am not kidding.

Stealth gives you such a MAJOR advantage when it comes to initiation in pvp, that half the battle is over before the opponent gets a chance to react.

In patch 1.0 the length of the pvp fights is greatly increased and steal isnt nearly as viable, its still great...but just not as viable as it is pre 1.0

I would highly recommend getting it, plus if you plan to run trade packages you can stealth run them...although I don't think that should be allowed but...if others are doing it, you should as well.

In addition the evasion passive will only work against other melee, stealth on the other hand, will work against all opponents.

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 05:51 PM
Just looked at your build and lol'd VERY hard. www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=711010100111010100000010111101001120101101 001100000

So you are using a shield? NO CHARGE, NO KNOCKDOWN. No self heal, yet sees the need for the regen buff, uses multistrike over hardcut, no bolt of heaven. Your build is garbage.

How long have you played Archeage for? Let me guess, you haven't.

Yes I have played and I was able to kill level 50 noobs like you with level 30
And it seems that you have given wrong link

Nekrage
03-29-2014, 05:53 PM
www.archeage-impact.de/index.php?site=talentplaner_eng&action=jumpIn&talents=711010100111010100000010111101001120101101 001100000
Allot of skills but if you get used to it then you might be able work this out
Do not know about protection it does not say if you need shield for every skill in this tree!

You only need one no cd skill keep that in mind!
You can change Wisper of Life to something else if it is more fit!

Lol your pro yet dont know about protection, "does not say you need a shield"...wow.

You only need one no cd skill....more fail advice.

Just dont give advice if you dont know what you are talking about, its clear that you are new to Archeage, please take a back seat to threads like this ok? Thanks.


P.S. What server, and whats your character name?

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 06:02 PM
does it matter I quit game because of cheaters!
What about protection, pay attention to may comments and then maybe you will understand why I did put that, I never said that it will work without shield because I have never tried it!
1 no cd and that is it!
And my build would own you 10 times of a 10 even with shield!

Nekrage
03-29-2014, 06:06 PM
does it matter I quit game because of cheaters!
What about protection, pay attention to may comments and then maybe you will understand why I did put that, I never said that it will work without shield because I have never tried it!
1 no cd and that is it!
And my build would own you 10 times of a 10 even with shield!

10 times of a 10 huh?

Would you mind logging on so I could see your level 50 please? Or are you throwing out some major lies here?

Yaaaa...didnt think so.

"I quit game cause of cheaters!" There are no cheaters other than bots, which indirectly affect you, but sure w.e you say buddy.

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 06:14 PM
did I state somewhere that I have level 50, I said that I owned noobs like you with level 30+ and there where just few exception who where not 50 and could kill me, really few!
I see that it bites you that you are noob and can not believe that some peoples can actually use there brains and will be better then vets even if they do play game as long as you!
It does not matter if you are Vet or not, you know more about game but that is it, it is basic information nothing more!

Nekrage
03-29-2014, 06:57 PM
did I state somewhere that I have level 50, I said that I owned noobs like you with level 30+ and there where just few exception who where not 50 and could kill me, really few!
I see that it bites you that you are noob and can not believe that some peoples can actually use there brains and will be better then vets even if they do play game as long as you!
It does not matter if you are Vet or not, you know more about game but that is it, it is basic information nothing more!

I would call you out on never playing the game some more, but I am going to leave this thread now, I offered the best advice in this entire thread and I will leave it as that, I dont want to derail this thread any longer.

I apologize to the op, if you need some actual advice from people....not like....this one. Let me know.

PureRogue
03-29-2014, 07:20 PM
I would call you out on never playing the game some more, but I am going to leave this thread now, I offered the best advice in this entire thread and I will leave it as that, I dont want to derail this thread any longer.

I apologize to the op, if you need some actual advice from people....not like....this one. Let me know.
Good, because your advices where useless anyway!