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    people just say it's pay to win b/c they aren't very good at the game... With how many safe zones are currently in game and how easy they have made it for everyone you could farm billions of gold effortlessly without any risk. So there is no excuse other than being too lazy or not trying at this point.

    If you just paid for subscription you would be +3000g every month. Most people spend all they make putting it back into patron and for some reason are begging for a sub model that they don't want to pay for anyway...

    The more skilled players win in the end anyway.... so p2w or not (during progression) when you run into the good players you end up losing b/c you didn't learn to play. Most of the big "p2w" players don't end up winning anything anyway.
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    LOL Thread. Buy more apex ---> fix

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrgna View Post
    people just say it's pay to win b/c they aren't very good at the game... With how many safe zones are currently in game and how easy they have made it for everyone you could farm billions of gold effortlessly without any risk. So there is no excuse other than being too lazy or not trying at this point.

    If you just paid for subscription you would be +3000g every month. Most people spend all they make putting it back into patron and for some reason are begging for a sub model that they don't want to pay for anyway...

    The more skilled players win in the end anyway.... so p2w or not (during progression) when you run into the good players you end up losing b/c you didn't learn to play. Most of the big "p2w" players don't end up winning anything anyway.

    You should rethink what you wrote. You mean Players are not good at this Game, cause they have a damn REAL. I know it's hard to understand if Mom & Dad pays for everything. But normal Players have a real, work, family and so on and not 6-12 Hours a Day for this Game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snerdles View Post
    So lets just do some quick math. Lets say for an account you need 2900g in 30 days to buy your two apex. That gives you 300 loyalty, which you can sell for about about 900g, so you need to make 2000g with your labor and other resources. You get 172800 labor, without any extras, per month for that 2900g, which means you only need to earn 1.16 silver per labor over the course of the month. All of this doesn't include honor, prestige, daily gold, gilda, events (if we could get something again) . . .

    If you can't pay for your account with APEX you are doing something seriously wrong. If anything, APEX is too cheap.
    Your maths suck. You get 86400 labor from patron monthly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTRek View Post
    Your maths suck. You get 86400 labor from patron monthly.
    He's counting both NA and EU-86,400 x 2.

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    How to win at patron: Get 3 basic houses in 3 different zones to get access to all 6 resident tokens(the dust dealer one is probs too expensive though) and put them into solis/solzreed or two crowns depending on cargo traffic. That's about 600-800g per character(4 characters) per month. Tax cert income should be about 600-800(two regions) per month too. 3600-4800 gold per month income for na-eu patron accounts for doing close to nothing but using hereafter stones and dumping community packs on the ground. Fresh start is different though, because it's isolated.

    Apex on legacy is over 1400 now, so idk why you're complaining about 600.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTRek View Post
    Your maths suck. You get 86400 labor from patron monthly.
    You get that per region and your apex gets you patron status in both. So if people aren't using half of their labor it's no wonder they say apex is too expensive.
    Epic Erenor Scepter - 856 Magic Att, 733 gimped DPS.
    Epic Erenor Katana - 815.3 DPS.
    Epic Erenor Bow - 693 DPS... worse than the gimped weapon even though it's a primary weapon.
    "Balance" . . . This doesn't even take in to account the 978.4 epic erenor nodachi, or 978 mAtt staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blycee View Post
    If apex gets cheaper, nobody buy them for $/€. A high apex price means that gold loose in value (gold inflation) and people do less p2w (buy less apex).

    For people who don't know, patron can be purchased for 12,99/ month in the shop.
    Theres a difference between a reasonable price or a price thats really to much.
    Yes u can buy sup for 12.99/month...then they should stop advertising the game as f2p and finally make it a sub based game. But you all know they wont do that.

    Besides a lot of changes that was made in this game by xl during the last 1.5 years was to slow down the gold influx into the game and increased the costs to progress at the same time. With prices like 1500-2000g per apex you only make the game more p2w, those who spent rl money get now a lot of gold very fast which contradicts with what i said above.....
    Open your eyes volume of apexes declined a lot that means a lot of apex buyers arent prepared to buy apex anymore for what reason what so ever.
    Btw with such high prices Trino will sell even less apexes because the whales dont need to buy as many as before to get the same amount of gold....

    Casual players (who are the biggest part) now cant keep up with that, the honor loyalty or prestige they can get their hands on they need for their own use to progress. It gets even more a job instead of having fun as a game is supposed to be.

    And if you look on EU look at the charcoal price 6+g each, charcaol thats needed now for almost everything. Its almost impossible for an average player to progress because of this. Its depressing for most players and in the end they will quit. At the same time the whales get bored because XL doesnt give us real new content and less players to pvp with etc.

    It kills the game, which is already happening. With all respect but i never seen AA in such a bad shape during the almost 4 years i have played it. Even the publisher isnt willing to spend more time on it than needed now. Now the streamers are doing the job that Trino should do.
    Tbh the state the game is in right now I personally would not be prepared to buy a sub instead of getting gold for apex and Im not the only one that thinks this way. Sub based or apex not both at the same time at these crazy prices for apex and the state the game is in.

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    some things will never change, jumping off the train before it crashes..again, have fun.

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    Trion has to stop people who manipulate the Apex market. This will cause many more players to quit the game when their price can't be stopped. Apex market isn't stable at all because ppl continuously buy/sell them to get profit. (e.g. They buy all the 1350g apexes and re-list for 1600g)
    They make sure to sell 20-100k priced apexes to their alts through AH to move the graphic upwards so Apex prices will eventually rise
    and they ll make big profits at the end when they sell all the hoarded apexes.
    Apexes will be 2k soon if Trion keeps waiting. They were stable at 900-950g for over a year, they went to 1600g in just 3 weeks thanks to those AH flippers.
    Trion doesn't benefit from this as well, item prices are the same. To buy a 20k weapon, now they need to buy less Apexes = less money for Trion.
    Lose/Lose situation for both players and the company.

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