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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Trusivraj View Post
    Here ya go lad:
    https://archeagecalculator.com/?a=u2316f20&b=9 - Plate/Cloth Stone Arrow

    https://archeagecalculator.com/?a=u5716120&b=9 - Leather Shadehunter

    Cared about you enough to spend an hour building you 2 full-build end game archer specs.

    Both use shadowplay and archery

    Neither uses songcraft, and neither needs to use songcraft, because they have their own strengths while doing almost literally the same upfront dmg.

    The stone arrow is built semi-defensively as well, so it could do even more dmg if it really wanted, and dont get me started on:

    Swapping the dagger for an Agility shield, which in total defense stats gives an extra:
    5k+ magic or physical defense (75.40% physical/68%ish Magical)
    40% block/evasion rate
    20% recieved ranged & melee reduction
    39% recieved magic reduction (check the defense tab in the "details" page next to atk speed)
    42k+ HP (Doubling some glass cannon builds' HP, with a minimal dmg difference of 10% at best, and this is without consumable buffs from either player)

    While still having:

    1437 atk dmg
    76% crit rate, no double recurve
    214% crit dmg (and if u know how crit dmg works, the dmg difference is minimal against a non-shield opponent).

    I happily switched the class to ebonsong for you, and activated its buffs

    Wallah: https://archeagecalculator.com/?a=u2525020&b=9

    Now tell me where stone arrow is magically useless/does no dmg, having identical dmg stats in every way, and over 40-70% more survivability?

    The class, among many defense specs, is actually broken, when you know how to use the broken mitigation system we currently have.
    I think you miss the part that the ebonsong has 1k+ attack speed increase, while stone arrow has 217 attack speed increase... I mean thats pretty sagnificant difference in damage output, especially for an archer All according to your builds. Stats are similar yes, but only that attack speed difference is a HUGE damage output difference as well. So I don't understand your point.
    You are saying that someone with 217 attack speed increase with dishout the same damage as someone with 1065 attack speed increase? As an archer? I disagree

    Im just gonna say that in 2015 before i quit AA, I was playing stone arrow/primeval. And I was choosing my class depending on the content. Primeval had a lot more damage output than stone arrow even with gear meant to be weared as stone arrow. Auramancy was just really good mobility and damage boost back in the days for archers. Ebonsong did not exist at that time. And the main reason why primeval was doign a lot more damage than stone arrow was ONLY because of the old Thwart skill that stacked flat amount of attack speed up to 3x. So i just gotta say it - attack speed increase affects archers damage output more than it does on any other classes.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by BobsynS View Post
    I think you miss the part that the ebonsong has 1k+ attack speed increase, while stone arrow has 217 attack speed increase... I mean thats pretty sagnificant difference in damage output, especially for an archer All according to your builds. Stats are similar yes, but only that attack speed difference is a HUGE damage output difference as well. So I don't understand your point.
    You are saying that someone with 217 attack speed increase with dishout the same damage as someone with 1065 attack speed increase? As an archer? I disagree

    Im just gonna say that in 2015 before i quit AA, I was playing stone arrow/primeval. And I was choosing my class depending on the content. Primeval had a lot more damage output than stone arrow even with gear meant to be weared as stone arrow. Auramancy was just really good mobility and damage boost back in the days for archers. Ebonsong did not exist at that time. And the main reason why primeval was doign a lot more damage than stone arrow was ONLY because of the old Thwart skill that stacked flat amount of attack speed up to 3x. So i just gotta say it - attack speed increase affects archers damage output more than it does on any other classes.
    Oh i didn't, and don't get me wrong my man, you're going to **OUT DPS** a stone arrow everyday of the week.... *SOLO*, but they have **the same BURST** as any other archer. DPS is where the two classes separate in terms of playstyle, entirely agree,

    BUT, that atk speed bonus is also an **~AoE buff~**, that Aly
    Stone arrows will also receive, when it pops, and with the overload of songcraft in raids... song is basically a wasted tree anyways for a dps. the atk speed difference will only be 177 atk speed less ( More or less, based on their gems/stat choice/passives) based on DW vs Shield equips, and they can always weapon swap, not to mention about 477 atk speed being the base threshold for achieving independent skill-weave.

    Essentially, they're getting everything you have (including taking advantage of the song debuffs on enemy targets), AND the tankiness of stone arrow at the same dayum time.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Trusivraj View Post
    Here ya go lad:
    https://archeagecalculator.com/?a=u2316f20&b=9 - Plate/Cloth Stone Arrow

    https://archeagecalculator.com/?a=u5716120&b=9 - Leather Shadehunter

    Cared about you enough to spend an hour building you 2 full-build end game archer specs.

    Both use shadowplay and archery

    Neither uses songcraft, and neither needs to use songcraft, because they have their own strengths while doing almost literally the same upfront dmg.

    The stone arrow is built semi-defensively as well, so it could do even more dmg if it really wanted, and dont get me started on:

    Swapping the dagger for an Agility shield, which in total defense stats gives an extra:
    5k+ magic or physical defense (75.40% physical/68%ish Magical)
    40% block/evasion rate
    20% recieved ranged & melee reduction
    39% recieved magic reduction (check the defense tab in the "details" page next to atk speed)
    42k+ HP (Doubling some glass cannon builds' HP, with a minimal dmg difference of 10% at best, and this is without consumable buffs from either player)

    While still having:

    1437 atk dmg
    76% crit rate, no double recurve
    214% crit dmg (and if u know how crit dmg works, the dmg difference is minimal against a non-shield opponent).

    I happily switched the class to ebonsong for you, and activated its buffs

    Wallah: https://archeagecalculator.com/?a=u2525020&b=9

    Now tell me where stone arrow is magically useless/does no dmg, having identical dmg stats in every way, and over 40-70% more survivability?

    The class, among many defense specs, is actually broken, when you know how to use the broken mitigation system we currently have.
    And how this calculator shows u the damage u get from Ebonsong Songcraft skills ? Do u have any idea what those skills does ? I guess u dont Jesus
    Do u know we talk about classes here means damage from skills and u sending me stats gear calculator
    Btw i found your video do u call this pvp or damage ?
    Why u even record the first person who dont even fight?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=OWpEsx1EkNo

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by kitts View Post
    And how this calculator shows u the damage u get from Ebonsong Songcraft skills ? Do u have any idea what those skills does ? I guess u dont Jesus
    Do u know we talk about classes here means damage from skills and u sending me stats gear calculator
    Btw i found your video do u call this pvp or damage ?
    Why u even record the first person who dont even fight?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=OWpEsx1EkNo
    Its like you just want to argue. The same dude killed me the clip BEFORE the one you stamped, and he was CC chained by impales and stuns from my class combos. WATCH THE VIDEO! lmfao xD

    How does it show you song buffs?! Simple. You turn ON the buff. You've never even used the archeage calculator, that allows you to build gear AND classes without dumping thousands of gold, but you have the nerve to want to argue about viable classes..

    Even so, we've already concluded, that the only edge you gain as an ebonsong is in 1v1/PvE which you still lose 1v1 against the stone arrow, cuz they'll just invince your entire setup the moment you proc dissonance, and in RvR EVERYONE GETS YOUR BUFFS.

    The moment you have another songer, especially a stronger one, you have virtually NOTHING to give to the group, much less yourself, that isnt already there since you know, **MULTIPLE SONGS OF THE SAME VARIANT DONT STACK ONTOP OF EACH OTHER**. ~

    And heres the only 2 major buffs worth mentioning, since you havent been familiarized with the calculator (AoE skills btw lol)

    Bloody Chantey - 26% atk dmg and 282 atk speed (Maximum tick) for you AND YOUR ALLIES WITHIN 10M (25m if you gain the passive)

    Battle Hymn - Grants you AND ALLIES WITHIN 0-50M 350 Atk speed and 30% Movement speed.

    The class isn't that special for its gimmick. Everything about it, a dedicated bard could do for you and give you an entirely new tree to use instead.

    Ppl are just selfish for maximum dmg, without the reliance of others, so they all run out there with 80% of the raid filled with songcraft, when theres countless other class combos that could make your raid stronger.

    Ignoring the cold hard facts isn't going to help you become a better/smarter player.

    If you can't see the proof that's been given to you on a silver platter, then you quite simply don't want to improve, you just want to complain and beg for buff/nerf handouts to succeed with an already good class (when built/played correctly) without effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobsynS View Post
    Im just gonna say that in 2015 before i quit AA
    well then.

    I have to say I find it funny that some randos question trusi on anything archer related. another thing I found funny was someone opposing plate with the argument that mages 1-shot even a leather archer. I don't think that guy thought through what the conclusion is.

  6. #26
    It's refreshing that a game like AA has made Archer's a hard class as opposed to a spam and physical type of mage, I've got to hand it to the developers as in most Korean games Archer's are too simple and it ends up ruining other roles (L2 is a perfect example).

    Trusivraj is making you guys look simple, thanks for all the informative posts Trus and I've been looking over Archery for a solid week now, KR atm as top 100s suggest is really utilizing the likes of Stonearrow and even Ranger, the future is bright for those who use more of their brain!

  7. #27
    Thank you for the compliments and support guys!

    With that said, I'm still human, and ask that if I ever make a false statement/claim in the future, DON'T HESITATE TO TELL ME! If I truly don't know something, I will own up to it (typically right then and there), and I will research on it further!

    -Side Plug - I'll be putting all my efforts into unchained (Tyrenos Server) as an upcoming AA-Specific YouTuber, and Twitch Streamer. I and a few other known creators want to see this new model succeed, and I will make sure we all have fun in doing so, while improving our true selves, as well as our in-game characters over the coming years!

    I'll do the entirety of my promotional spiel in my own thread though, so be on watch for an official "PEW'S AA:U Creator Goals" thread of mine. Much love!
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    I'm an archer by heart, always have been and always will be.

    This is my ping to servers:



    I live 200km (125 miles) from Amsterdam

    Can I play any archer build viable RvR cause that's what I love to play.
    Sorry for most archers but my endless arrows are like machineguns ingame.

    Just dunno atm with all the hate for archers I can be strong as mages (or almost) with simular gear.
    I rly dont want to play anything else but I hate to be carried /leeching more then anything else... .

    That would really take the fun out of it.

    Builds & gears I can research/test myself.
    Viability endgame ... it's going to be hard to reroll when I figure that out.

    Thnx in advance for the response!
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  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Choisy View Post
    I'm an archer by heart, always have been and always will be.

    This is my ping to servers:



    I live 200km (125 miles) from Amsterdam

    Can I play any archer build viable RvR cause that's what I love to play.
    Sorry for most archers but my endless arrows are like machineguns ingame.

    Just dunno atm with all the hate for archers I can be strong as mages (or almost) with simular gear.
    I rly dont want to play anything else but I hate to be carried /leeching more then anything else... .

    That would really take the fun out of it.

    Builds & gears I can research/test myself.
    Viability endgame ... it's going to be hard to reroll when I figure that out.

    Thnx in advance for the response!
    Archers are in a decent spot right now, so i'd find whatever archer spec you enjoy most (that includes shadowplay, cuz its just too good not to have) and have at it! You probably have faster arrows than me! Bahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Choisy View Post
    I'm an archer by heart, always have been and always will be.

    This is my ping to servers:



    I live 200km (125 miles) from Amsterdam

    Can I play any archer build viable RvR cause that's what I love to play.
    Sorry for most archers but my endless arrows are like machineguns ingame.

    Just dunno atm with all the hate for archers I can be strong as mages (or almost) with simular gear.
    I rly dont want to play anything else but I hate to be carried /leeching more then anything else... .

    That would really take the fun out of it.

    Builds & gears I can research/test myself.
    Viability endgame ... it's going to be hard to reroll when I figure that out.

    Thnx in advance for the response!
    AA EU servers are in Hamburg.

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    No point to play archer in AA if you are pvp player. Archer is only good at pve; and you need to have more gear than any of other classes to be effective in both pvp and pve which you need to be more p2w than anyone else.
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    where Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
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