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  Click here to go to the first Archeage Team post in this thread.   Thread: Our decision regarding Rage Quit of Nazar's Leviathan Kill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aros View Post
    Sure you can argue that they should have contacted the support but with the 317 people blowing their whistles and making a huge fuss about it, it kinda got told on its own. Not like it was trying to be covered up or hidden, they already knew the word would spread like wild-fire.

    1. It's no coincidence that none of those 317 reports came from <Rage Quit>

    2. If the <Rage Quit> levi raid hadn't been discovered, <Rage Quit> never would have reported the bug. They would have kept the loot and TROLLOLOOLOLOOLOLOL'd the server forever just like they always did about everything

    This is why bans were justified.

    Personally I think the bans could have been limited to a few of their ring leaders rather than their entire raid, but it is all justified and within the framework set by historical presicence in other regions.

    The cocky attitude from "Rage Quit" also wasn't really in place and cant be arugued for.
    Cocky attitude from <Rage Quit> is all there ever was from <Rage Quit>.

    They've worked very hard to make everyone hate them due to their toxic, smug, forced-hard-man interactions with everyone on forums and in chat. They've successfully projected to everyone the image that they wanted to embrace.

    This is why there is so little pity for what happened to them.

    <Rage Quit> can sob themselves to sleep at night about how they were treated unfairly and comfort themselves with lip-service about "Well, we wanted to leave to play this other game so really guys... you see... we are doing what we wanted to do all along because AA is a terrible game that wasn't fun anymore..." ...but it's all just lip service and they are embarrassing themselves further even if they don't realize it.

    In all their time, and for all their braggadocio about their own perceived greatness all they ever did that was impressive can be boiled down to 3 accomplishments:

    1. They once defended 3 of their own castles simultaneously, very impressive
    2. They gave up Red Dragon lock and helped balance the server by leaving West Faction to Pirate
    3. They held that group of toxic personalities together for a very long time, which is hard to do.

    Everything else they accomplished was a natural result of them stacking the Nazar deck before the server was ever formed by poaching the top geared, most active players from Ezi-west and Lucius-west. In doing so they effectively created a professional guild on an amateur server.

    Even their castle defense was a feat that they choose not to ever attempt again as after that first castle defense they simply chose to burn their vast wealth and buy every siege scroll so they wouldn't be challenged again defending their land against more well prepared guilds.

    It's really unfortunate that so many of their players got banned for going with the flow, but it's no coincidence that none of Rage reported the glitch and it's no coincidence that so few people are shedding tears that they were punished with such severity.

    They made their bed.

    Now they get to lay in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alara View Post
    You don't understand the why of the ban. You may wish to reread Celestrata's explanation. It's not even the video that did it. It's the way they forced Trion's hand.

    Had the guild made just one small effort, just one small communication to Trion explaining what happened, then this thread would be much different. Instead they thought they'd get away with it all. They thought they were immune to disciplinairy action or something. Even had the audacity to troll Trion with their achievement.

    And in doing so they created their own demise. For they put Trion in a position where they could do no different that what they've done. Or else Trion would have become utterly unbelievable.

    It's quite dumb really.

    Sorry, not even the devil's advocate will do you any good when you've been quite dumb.
    The "why" of this ban based on Trion's explanation is weak at best. They based their decision off of no bug reports over what length of time? ..off one player trolling the forums? ...off an assumption when they split the loot up? ..off the assumption that they wouldn't report anything because they pulled the ship out? .....and most importantly, off an assumption that players are suddenly going to take their policy on glitching seriously when Trion themselves haven't taken it seriously in how long?

    And what makes this worse to me is that they suddenly now permakill levi to fix it to avoid this type of thing in the future when Trion was fully aware that this glitch already existed. They opened this boss to the public with the full knowledge of the glitch, with full acknowledgement that they have not upheld their own glitch policies in the past, and instead of reasonably dealing with this, go from wagging a finger to a full sledge hammer in banning 53 individual players.

    ...they moved too far, too fast, made a poor decision, and by appearance at this point are digging in and sticking to their guns which is incredibly disappointing.

    The idea that you guys want to wag your finger in their face and say serves you right is hypocrisy of the highest order. That you want to give Trion and XL a pass for releasing content with KNOWN glitches, and not hold them accountable but players accountable is a double standard and quite sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethetun View Post
    The "why" of this ban based on Trion's explanation is weak at best. They based their decision off of no bug reports over what length of time? ..off one player trolling the forums? ...off an assumption when they split the loot up? ..off the assumption that they wouldn't report anything because they pulled the ship out? .....and most importantly, off an assumption that players are suddenly going to take their policy on glitching seriously when Trion themselves haven't taken it seriously in how long?

    And what makes this worse to me is that they suddenly now permakill levi to fix it to avoid this type of thing in the future when Trion was fully aware that this glitch already existed. They opened this boss to the public with the full knowledge of the glitch, with full acknowledgement that they have not upheld their own glitch policies in the past, and instead of reasonably dealing with this, go from wagging a finger to a full sledge hammer in banning 53 individual players.

    ...they moved too far, too fast, made a poor decision, and by appearance at this point are digging in and sticking to their guns which is incredibly disappointing.

    The idea that you guys want to wag your finger in their face and say serves you right is hypocrisy of the highest order. That you want to give Trion and XL a pass for releasing content with KNOWN glitches, and not hold them accountable but players accountable is a double standard and quite sickening.
    If the bug would have been so easy to reproduce they would not have opened Leviathan up for us. With several hundreds of attempts that have been made to kill it it happened ONCE. And you argue like it would happen every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neoVictrix View Post
    Not publicly showing their videos because they don't want their "strategies" to be seen is a terrible reason, especially since we can see what's done in other regions to kill the same exact boss.
    As I've stated in a previous post, we did not set the video to private to try to hide anything. The reason that we didn't initially share the video was because it clearly shows how Leviathan got bugged and another guild would have undoubtedly tried to reproduce it. Now that Leviathan is on permakill that is no longer a concern.

    Quote Originally Posted by neoVictrix View Post
    As forum users we also have no proof that any member of rage quit posted anything to the forums on the subject of the Leviathan, yet we have users that are "accepting their actions solely on their words against theirs".
    Some of our members did post on the forums over the past few days and their posts have been categorically deleted and their accounts disabled. This is one of our biggest grievances with Trion's handling of the situation so far. We feel that they handed down an impulsive mass ban in an attempt to subdue the public outcry that was taking place on both the forums and reddit. Not only that, but they made the ban unappealable following the conclusion of their one-sided investigation and stifled any attempt of ours to contest it, or to address what we felt to be a mischaracterization of our actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebane View Post
    They did not think they would get away with it.. they knew from the get go that it was likely that it was going to get taken away, what they didn't expect was the severity of the punishment that didn't fit the crime.
    <Rage Quit> has staked their reputation on mis-information, lies, and subterfuge.

    If you think they didn't report it because 'everyone else reported it for us', then you are naive.

    They, like many elite guilds, are the epitome of 'win at all costs'.

    They didn't report it because it improved their odds of keeping the ill gotten gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knife View Post
    If the bug would have been so easy to reproduce they would not have opened Leviathan up for us. With several hundreds of attempts that have been made to kill it it happened ONCE. And you argue like it would happen every time.
    I believe that the bug is incredibly easy to reproduce, and that was our main reason for keeping the video private for as long as we did. The fact that it only happened once out of hundreds of attempts is not an endorsement of the bugs difficulty to reproduce. I won't go into any specifics as to how we did it but had the video been released prior to Leviathan going on permakill other guilds would have undoubtedly attempted to bug the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by runja View Post
    I don't post much, actually I rarely post. I am an ex- ezi server merged into Nazar. Nappyhoe is speaking the scape's truth. Please revoke perma-ban, this is coming from a lowly guild leader that had to face rage quit every single day. I don't like rage quit, but this players were one hell of a good pvp players! REVOKE your ban!!
    Not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lagosaurus View Post
    As I've stated in a previous post, we did not set the video to private to try to hide anything. The reason that we didn't initially share the video was because it clearly shows how Leviathan got bugged and another guild would have undoubtedly tried to reproduce it. Now that Leviathan is on permakill that is no longer a concern.



    Some of our members did post on the forums over the past few days and their posts have been categorically deleted and their accounts disabled. This is one of our biggest grievances with Trion's handling of the situation so far. We feel that they handed down an impulsive mass ban in an attempt to subdue the public outcry that was taking place on both the forums and reddit. Not only that, but they made the ban unappealable following the conclusion of their one-sided investigation and stifled any attempt of ours to contest it, or to address what we felt to be a mischaracterization of our actions.


    and this is the exact reason ive unsubscribed my 10 accounts... and will no longer be supporting trions pocketbook... its a corrupted onesided company that doesnt care at-all about its player base.... doesnt listen to reported gamebreaking glitches untill litterly a whole server ♥♥♥♥♥es about it.... yet theres still whole guilds out thre abusing the skilltree glitch, knowningly abusing that glitch and they roam free....and the teleport bots in hasla>ynystere runing hundreds of packs per hour....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pwnocchio View Post
    <Rage Quit> has staked their reputation on mis-information, lies, and subterfuge.

    If you think they didn't report it because 'everyone else reported it for us', then you are naive.

    They, like many elite guilds, are the epitome of 'win at all costs'.

    They didn't report it because it improved their odds of keeping the ill gotten gains.
    I believe that this is a severe mischaracterization of our actions and is representative of an assertion that several other forum members have endorsed.
    • We never tried to feign innocence based on "mis-information, lies, and subterfuge".
    • The reason that we didn't report it was because it had already been reported multiple times. Do you honestly believe that we decided not to report it in a concerted effort to cover something up that had already been posted to both the forums and reddit?
    • I won't deny that we used the items that dropped from it while we had them but we never had the intention of "keeping the ill gotten gains". We were already fully aware that they were forfeit.

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    Seing the passion and zeal of some people defending the ban of 53 players, makes me believe they must have a very miserable life in the game.
    Its OK to agree with Trion's decision, everyone can have his/her opinion. And its totaly normal to state that opinion.
    But turning themselves into forum Javerts?
    I don't know if I have to pitty them or just troll them...

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