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    Quote Originally Posted by PooperJackson View Post
    Hilarious this is coming from NACL member considering that guild was literally filled with the most toxic little kiddies the server could find for months. Now that they start losing, "x up for better community!"
    I'm a newer member to the guild so I'm not completely aware of its history. However I firmly believe people can change their attitudes, guilds can change their attitudes towards things as well. This has nothing to do with losing, it has to do with my own personal experience with in game harassment, bullying, stalking and so forth and has happened in other guilds/servers I've been apart of.
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    x up for fair play

    no more cheaters! :^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elu View Post
    x up for fair play

    no more cheaters! :^)
    This will never happen, either. At least not as long as the cheaters swipe hard enough.

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    Hey guys,

    I know this topic drives a lot of passion and feelings, but let's keep it friendly and constructive here. Already had to remove one post because it crossed the forum guidelines. Please do not attack one another, and please offer thoughts and feedback without delving into the darker side of things. Thanks!

    And... as to my thoughts... I'll save them for later this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celestrata Bloodsong View Post
    Hey guys,

    I know this topic drives a lot of passion and feelings, but let's keep it friendly and constructive here. Already had to remove one post because it crossed the forum guidelines. Please do not attack one another, and please offer thoughts and feedback without delving into the darker side of things. Thanks!

    And... as to my thoughts... I'll save them for later this week.
    Thanks much! Its not my intent to start an hate war. I really want this to be talked about in a mature way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physician View Post
    When engaging in Chat, you may not:

    Transmit or post any content or language which, in the sole and absolute discretion of Trion, is deemed to be offensive, including without limitation content or language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful, sexually explicit, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable, nor may you use a misspelling or an alternative spelling to circumvent the content and language restrictions listed above;

    Carry out any action with a disruptive effect, such as intentionally causing the Chat screen to scroll faster than other users are able to read, or setting up macros with large amounts of text that, when used, can have a disruptive effect on the normal flow of Chat;

    Disrupt the normal flow of dialogue in Chat or otherwise act in a manner that negatively affects other users, including without limitation posting commercial solicitations and/or advertisements for goods and services available outside of the Game universe;

    Sending repeated unsolicited or unwelcome messages to a single user or repeatedly posting similar messages in a Chat area, including without limitation continuous advertisements to sell goods or services;

    Communicate or post any user’s personal information in the Game, or on websites or forums related to the Game, except that a user may communicate his or her own personal information in a private message directed to a single user;

    Harass, threaten, stalk, embarrass or cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to any user of the Game or the Site;

    Participate in any action that, in the sole and absolute opinion of Trion, results or may result in an authorized user of the Game or the Site being “scammed” or defrauded out of gold, weapons, armor, or any other items that user has earned through authorized game play in the Game (including but not limited to participation in player-run casinos, including those that utilize the roll mechanic); or
    Impersonate any real person, including without limitation any “game master” or any other Trion agent or employee, nor may you communicate in the Game, or on the Site or Service in any way designed to make others believe that your message constitutes a Server message or was otherwise posted by any Trion agent or employee.


    It should be there somewhere regarding stalking and harassment.
    Sorry about the double quote but I confirmed this is from this link here: Quoted from: http://www.trionworlds.com/en/legal/terms-of-use/

    This particular one I think is an interesting one for talkin about; Harass, threaten, stalk, embarrass or cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to any user of the Game or the Site


    The later part seems to be targeted when trash talk gets offensive to the player its being targeted at?
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    Trion does police certain things, but while much of what Eshva is talking about is against their ToS, it takes time to act on reports of violations. While it's easy for us to look and say "why can't they get rid of X for doing Y" it has to go through investigation in order to be certain that the accusation is true.

    I don't think that Eshva is actually talking about Trion's actions or ToS, though. If I'm not misinterpreting, I believe that Eshva is talking about the community which can do its own part to help police this sort of activity. While it takes Trion time to police these things, we can do it almost instantly. There will always be those who create a toxic environment, but we can mitigate a large amount of it ourselves.

    A lot of this comes down to guild leaders and their officers policing their members. While trash talking is totally fine, there is a point where it crosses from ♥♥♥♥ talk to abuse. A point where you're sharing personal photos, where you're sharing RL addresses and other information, where you're attacking someone through in-game mail constantly. This can be fought against, but it takes effort.

    I have, for one, taken a long-standing commitment against this sort of thing. ♥♥♥♥ talking is obviously something I won't regulate or try to; that's part of the fun. Trolling a bit and such is a part of the gaming world. However, going into the world of cyber bullying is something we all have a responsibility to combat. Call it White Knighting if you want; I doubt many would accuse me of being such considering how I tend to act, but there are certain things we should all take a stand against. True, honest-to-god cyber bullying is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricki View Post

    I don't think that Eshva is actually talking about Trion's actions or ToS, though. If I'm not misinterpreting, I believe that Eshva is talking about the community which can do its own part to help police this sort of activity. While it takes Trion time to police these things, we can do it almost instantly. There will always be those who create a toxic environment, but we can mitigate a large amount of it ourselves.

    A lot of this comes down to guild leaders and their officers policing their members. While trash talking is totally fine, there is a point where it crosses from ♥♥♥♥ talk to abuse. A point where you're sharing personal photos, where you're sharing RL addresses and other information, where you're attacking someone through in-game mail constantly. This can be fought against, but it takes effort.

    I have, for one, taken a long-standing commitment against this sort of thing. ♥♥♥♥ talking is obviously something I won't regulate or try to; that's part of the fun. Trolling a bit and such is a part of the gaming world. However, going into the world of cyber bullying is something we all have a responsibility to combat. Call it White Knighting if you want; I doubt many would accuse me of being such considering how I tend to act, but there are certain things we should all take a stand against. True, honest-to-god cyber bullying is one of them.
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    I agree with Eshva.

    It would be nice if guilds, guild leaders, and server pops in general, refused to tolerate the trolls, doxxers, and mean-spirited players.

    To me, defeating your enemy completely doesn't mean threatening their children or flaming/false accusations; and major guilds should strive to win the 'right way.' I am not sure why guild leaders tolerate the shout-chat warriors and posters who target their enemies with personal and systematic attacks. It just tarnishes their accomplishments.

    I can tell you right now on Kyrios, no one wants to log in to play a game, because its not a game anymore... its just not worth it to have your kids, your personal image, or your reputation insulted. Trion and the community need to step up here and create a competitive environment without the toxicity. Players should have to worry about why they are wiping or not completing a boss, not how to prevent themselves from being systematically targeted by a group of angry players.

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    I have reported several instances of racism openly used in Faction/Nation chat through a ticket and pm'ing Celestrata personally. However, the offenders are still about using the same
    hate speech without repercussion.

    I'd like to see Trion implement their own rules and policies.

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